[Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center

Sat May 24 16:34:07 UTC 2014

I know I'm a bit late on this thread, but I just wanted to point out
that in no way do I believe that Braille is outdated or less important
than computers. I use it daily and love it. I am merely saying that,
although the sight does seem to talk about technology a lot, it does
not say that Braille is bad or that it cannot be used in conjunction
with other adaptive solutions. I much prefer Braille over everything
else. I did not realize that there was no Braille teacher at the
Toledo center. That certainly changes my perspective a bit.
Aleeha, a proud member of OAPUB

On 5/23/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Then it isn't an issue of money.  I would talk with my counselor and
> tell her there is a serious problem with the services you are
> receiving.  If that doesn't work, go on up the chain of command. If
> the Sight Center can't work with a blind woman then find someone who
> can.  I am sorry you are having all of these issues.
>
> On 5/23/14, Dawn via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello  I am in the homemaker program  this is what they do  Monica refers
>> me
>> to the sight center  Megan is the homemaker  lady  it is now  called
>> opportunities for Ohioians with disabilities  hope I got it right  any
>> ways
>> that is what I amall ready doing  it is so strange I have a mobility
>> instructor and computer trainer that comes from Columbus  and the
>> homemaker
>> comes from the Sight Center the home maker program is what I am doing
>> not
>> too impressed  this is really for low vision if you ask me   and I am
>> fifty
>> three years old  don't qualify for the senior program  but I would of
>> done
>> it if did thanks Dawn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ohio-talk [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf of
>> Marianne
>> Denning via Ohio-talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:14 AM
>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>>
>> Does your friend, Dawn have an open case with BSVI?  She could as a
>> homemaker.  If not, is she in the senior blind program?  Either way,
>> there
>> is funding available.  I know funding is always a concern and I don't
>> have
>> a
>> problem with that but meeting consumer needs is equally important.  Is
>> there
>> a consumer advisory committee?  If not, it might be a great idea to
>> approach
>> them about starting one.
>>
>> On 5/23/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I know ACB promotes Braille. I can't explain this except to say that
>>> Dawn had pretty usable vision into the first couple of years in
>>> Elementary School.
>>> I am talking about Dawn Christensen who will be retiving from the
>>> Sight Center.
>>> I think the bottom line for her is profit.
>>> Colleen Roth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 06:56:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but ACB also strongly promotes the use of braille.  Why wouldn't
>>>> Any blind person strongly promotes braille?  That would be like saying
>>>> literacy is not important.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/22/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> > Ditto, Mariann. Patience is a weakness of mine, add me to your
>>>> > prayers. Blessings
>>>> >
>>>> > On 5/22/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >ar I agree Cheryl, but I always tell God to give me patience and
>>>> >give it ar to me now.  Patience isn't always one of my strengths.  I
>>>> >am  extremely ar patient with people but there are other areas where
>>>> >I am not patient.
>>>> >ar
>>>> >ar On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>> Mariann, Absolutely! To change it takes courage, one day it will
>>>> >>> happen. all we can do is control and change ourselves. Keep the
>>>> >>> Faith Blessings
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> I agree with you totally.  I want action at Clovernook but no
>>>> >>>> one else seems interested and I can't do it alone.  Hopefully,
>>>> >>>> people will get tired of it one day and decide to change things.
>>>> >>>> I have changed my own behaviors by refusing to work with
>>>> >>>> Clovernook on any level but it takes others to act too.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I must say, that in the case of Clovernook, it is not the direct
>>>> >>>> staff but their administration and board.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Totally agree with you. however if some of us are willing to
>>>> >>>>> stoke the fire, let's do it!
>>>> >>>>> One of the things Toledo folks can do is to approach board
>>>> >>>>> president and suggest forming consumer council committee. We
>>>> >>>>> have this and has become a useful tool, offering guidance,
>>>> >>>>> sugggestions, constructive critisim to agency. There should be
>>>> >>>>> a group of blind people that understand the structure of
>>>> >>>>> agency, financially and operationally to communicate what is
>>>> >>>>> acceptable and reasonable to consumers and agency.
>>>> >>>>> You are right. It is difficult if you don't understand or not
>>>> >>>>> aware of how much to expect from training. Thank god for nfb
>>>> >>>>> and this list for others to share concerns. Every now and then,
>>>> >>>>> we are too passive, sometimes a good fight can change that
>>>> >>>>> attitude.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
>>>> >>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> Cheryl, I appreciate that but it will take people in the
>>>> >>>>>> Toledo area to make the needed changes.  That is why I asked
>>>> >>>>>> if anyone from NFB was on the board.  Often the board is made
>>>> >>>>>> up of business people in the community who have the ability to
>>>> >>>>>> raise money for the organization and that is good but there
>>>> >>>>>> also need to be blind people on the board who can represent
>>>> >>>>>> the needs of the people who receive services.
>>>> >>>>>> This
>>>> >>>>>> could also be handled through different committees providing
>>>> >>>>>> guidance to the agency.  We can complain all we want but until
>>>> >>>>>> we get in and work for change, nothing will happen.  We need
>>>> >>>>>> to stop being so passive.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>> M, what do you have in mind? I am on the board of Cleveland
>>>> >>>>>>> Sight Center and am willing to help, if I can. CEO of
>>>> >>>>>>> Cleveland Sight Center may have relationship with Toledo.
>>>> >>>>>>> There must be a workable solution, it's disturbing to know
>>>> >>>>>>> that this is what is passing as rehab offered out there.
>>>> >>>>>>> Blessings, Cheryl Fields
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
>>>> >>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>> Is anyone from NFB on their board?  We have a similar
>>>> >>>>>>>> problem with Clovernook here in Cincinnati but we also have
>>>> >>>>>>>> Cincinnati Association for the Blind.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/20/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk
>>>> >>>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Aleeha,
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anything can be stated on a website.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that that is what the staff believe.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> The website just mentions braille and then goes on to
>>>> >>>>>>>>> discuss other things.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is no qualified Braille Teacher at the Sight Center
>>>> >>>>>>>>> and Braille is not emphasized in any way for those who need
>>>> >>>>>>>>> it.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> I love my Braille Sense but I like having a slate and
>>>> >>>>>>>>> stylus to write something down because it just fits in my
>>>> >>>>>>>>> purse.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can also hand someone my information in Braille if they
>>>> >>>>>>>>> can read it and do not have something with them.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I want to study something sometimes I just want to
>>>> >>>>>>>>> read it with my fingers.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> I like to have a book to read when I am in a doctor's
>>>> >>>>>>>>> office and by someone's bedside.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> More than once, I have read something, anything, to someone
>>>> >>>>>>>>> who just wanted to be read to while they were in the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> hospital.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Br in a book is quieter than using a notetaker when I am in
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Church.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is also much easier to use when I am standing at the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ambo to read Scripture for Mass.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have used my Braille Sense for certain Prayer Meetings
>>>> >>>>>>>>> and classes but give me Braille on paper for many other
>>>> >>>>>>>>> things.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also find myself using braille to label cans and other
>>>> >>>>>>>>> food items.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's be reasonable not every one wants or can afford an
>>>> >>>>>>>>> iphone or ID Mate.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Colleen Roth
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
>>>> >>>>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:36:35 AM
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Iam not quite sure what to think about this. Although I
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> believe that Braille is not as fast as a computer for
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> communicating, I believe it is still relevant and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> important. I think the website does a good job of
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> expressing that technology is not the only answer.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aleeha
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > On May 20, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Marianne Denning via
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Since people have been talking about the Toledo Sight
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Center I thought I would look at their website.  Below
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > you will find what they have to say about their
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > technology services.  In the beginning they talk about
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > technology and mention  that many people still use
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > braille...
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Read
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > this and feel free to comment.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Technology Resource Center
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > The rapid advancement of computer technology has opened
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > many doors for blind and visually impaired people.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Although many blind people still use Braille, the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > opportunity to communicate faster and easier via
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > computers that read aloud is opening new worlds of
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > communication including surfing the web as well as
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > sending and receiving email.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Additionally, for the visually impaired person,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > computers offering large screens allow for enlarged type
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > size and high contrast color patterns that permit easier
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > reading.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > --
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>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > blind or visually impaired
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > (513) 607-6053
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
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