[Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center

Sat May 24 20:43:53 UTC 2014

Is Megan open to the idea of learning braille?  In college, they teach
it in one semester and there is another semester of using it regularly
in the TVI and CVRT programs.  It helps keep up skills if you read it
regularly.

On 5/24/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Aleeha,
> Well Megan does say that she knows some braille although she only knows the
> first ten letters of the alphabet.
> As far as I know, there is no one who is proficient in Braille working at
> the Sight Center.
> The exception is the Director who does know Braille but obviously doesn't
> teach it.
> I just want things to change so that blind people who want to learn braille
> can be taught at the Sight Center.
> As I have said we have the opportunity to get some things done now.
> Colleen Roth
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aleeha Dudley via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, May 24, 2014 01:30:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>
>>
>>
>> I know I'm a bit late on this thread, but I just wanted to point out
>> that in no way do I believe that Braille is outdated or less important
>> than computers. I use it daily and love it. I am merely saying that,
>> although the sight does seem to talk about technology a lot, it does
>> not say that Braille is bad or that it cannot be used in conjunction
>> with other adaptive solutions. I much prefer Braille over everything
>> else. I did not realize that there was no Braille teacher at the
>> Toledo center. That certainly changes my perspective a bit.
>> Aleeha, a proud member of OAPUB
>>
>> On 5/23/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Then it isn't an issue of money.  I would talk with my counselor and
>> > tell her there is a serious problem with the services you are
>> > receiving.  If that doesn't work, go on up the chain of command. If
>> > the Sight Center can't work with a blind woman then find someone who
>> > can.  I am sorry you are having all of these issues.
>> >
>> > On 5/23/14, Dawn via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >ar Hello  I am in the homemaker program  this is what they do  Monica
>> > refers
>> >ar me
>> >ar to the sight center  Megan is the homemaker  lady  it is now  called
>> >ar opportunities for Ohioians with disabilities  hope I got it right
>> > any
>> >ar ways
>> >ar that is what I amall ready doing  it is so strange I have a mobility
>> >ar instructor and computer trainer that comes from Columbus  and the
>> >ar homemaker
>> >ar comes from the Sight Center the home maker program is what I am doing
>> >ar not
>> >ar too impressed  this is really for low vision if you ask me   and I am
>> >ar fifty
>> >ar three years old  don't qualify for the senior program  but I would of
>> >ar done
>> >ar it if did thanks Dawn
>> >ar
>> >ar -----Original Message-----
>> >ar From: Ohio-talk [mailto:ohio-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf of
>> >ar Marianne
>> >ar Denning via Ohio-talk
>> >ar Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:14 AM
>> >ar To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
>> >ar Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>> >ar
>> >ar Does your friend, Dawn have an open case with BSVI?  She could as a
>> >ar homemaker.  If not, is she in the senior blind program?  Either way,
>> >ar there
>> >ar is funding available.  I know funding is always a concern and I don't
>> >ar have
>> >ar a
>> >ar problem with that but meeting consumer needs is equally important.
>> > Is
>> >ar there
>> >ar a consumer advisory committee?  If not, it might be a great idea to
>> >ar approach
>> >ar them about starting one.
>> >ar
>> >ar On 5/23/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>> I know ACB promotes Braille. I can't explain this except to say that
>> >>> Dawn had pretty usable vision into the first couple of years in
>> >>> Elementary School.
>> >>> I am talking about Dawn Christensen who will be retiving from the
>> >>> Sight Center.
>> >>> I think the bottom line for her is profit.
>> >>> Colleen Roth
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
>> >>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 06:56:41 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes, but ACB also strongly promotes the use of braille.  Why
>> >>>> wouldn't
>> >>>> Any blind person strongly promotes braille?  That would be like
>> >>>> saying
>> >>>> literacy is not important.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 5/22/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> > Ditto, Mariann. Patience is a weakness of mine, add me to your
>> >>>> > prayers. Blessings
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On 5/22/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >ar I agree Cheryl, but I always tell God to give me patience and
>> >>>> >give it ar to me now.  Patience isn't always one of my strengths.
>> >>>> > I
>> >>>> >am  extremely ar patient with people but there are other areas
>> >>>> > where
>> >>>> >I am not patient.
>> >>>> >ar
>> >>>> >ar On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>> Mariann, Absolutely! To change it takes courage, one day it will
>> >>>> >>> happen. all we can do is control and change ourselves. Keep the
>> >>>> >>> Faith Blessings
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
>> >>>> >>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> I agree with you totally.  I want action at Clovernook but no
>> >>>> >>>> one else seems interested and I can't do it alone.  Hopefully,
>> >>>> >>>> people will get tired of it one day and decide to change
>> >>>> >>>> things.
>> >>>> >>>> I have changed my own behaviors by refusing to work with
>> >>>> >>>> Clovernook on any level but it takes others to act too.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> I must say, that in the case of Clovernook, it is not the
>> >>>> >>>> direct
>> >>>> >>>> staff but their administration and board.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>> Totally agree with you. however if some of us are willing to
>> >>>> >>>>> stoke the fire, let's do it!
>> >>>> >>>>> One of the things Toledo folks can do is to approach board
>> >>>> >>>>> president and suggest forming consumer council committee. We
>> >>>> >>>>> have this and has become a useful tool, offering guidance,
>> >>>> >>>>> sugggestions, constructive critisim to agency. There should be
>> >>>> >>>>> a group of blind people that understand the structure of
>> >>>> >>>>> agency, financially and operationally to communicate what is
>> >>>> >>>>> acceptable and reasonable to consumers and agency.
>> >>>> >>>>> You are right. It is difficult if you don't understand or not
>> >>>> >>>>> aware of how much to expect from training. Thank god for nfb
>> >>>> >>>>> and this list for others to share concerns. Every now and
>> >>>> >>>>> then,
>> >>>> >>>>> we are too passive, sometimes a good fight can change that
>> >>>> >>>>> attitude.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
>> >>>> >>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheryl, I appreciate that but it will take people in the
>> >>>> >>>>>> Toledo area to make the needed changes.  That is why I asked
>> >>>> >>>>>> if anyone from NFB was on the board.  Often the board is made
>> >>>> >>>>>> up of business people in the community who have the ability
>> >>>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>> >>>>>> raise money for the organization and that is good but there
>> >>>> >>>>>> also need to be blind people on the board who can represent
>> >>>> >>>>>> the needs of the people who receive services.
>> >>>> >>>>>> This
>> >>>> >>>>>> could also be handled through different committees providing
>> >>>> >>>>>> guidance to the agency.  We can complain all we want but
>> >>>> >>>>>> until
>> >>>> >>>>>> we get in and work for change, nothing will happen.  We need
>> >>>> >>>>>> to stop being so passive.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> On 5/21/14, Cheryl Fields via Ohio-talk
>> >>>> >>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>> M, what do you have in mind? I am on the board of Cleveland
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Sight Center and am willing to help, if I can. CEO of
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Cleveland Sight Center may have relationship with Toledo.
>> >>>> >>>>>>> There must be a workable solution, it's disturbing to know
>> >>>> >>>>>>> that this is what is passing as rehab offered out there.
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Blessings, Cheryl Fields
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> On 5/21/14, Marianne Denning via Ohio-talk
>> >>>> >>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Is anyone from NFB on their board?  We have a similar
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> problem with Clovernook here in Cincinnati but we also have
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Cincinnati Association for the Blind.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/20/14, Colleen Roth via Ohio-talk
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Aleeha,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Anything can be stated on a website.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that that is what the staff believe.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> The website just mentions braille and then goes on to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> discuss other things.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> There is no qualified Braille Teacher at the Sight Center
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> and Braille is not emphasized in any way for those who
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> need
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> it.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I love my Braille Sense but I like having a slate and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> stylus to write something down because it just fits in my
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> purse.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I can also hand someone my information in Braille if they
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> can read it and do not have something with them.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> When I want to study something sometimes I just want to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> read it with my fingers.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I like to have a book to read when I am in a doctor's
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> office and by someone's bedside.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> More than once, I have read something, anything, to
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> someone
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> who just wanted to be read to while they were in the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> hospital.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Br in a book is quieter than using a notetaker when I am
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Church.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> It is also much easier to use when I am standing at the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Ambo to read Scripture for Mass.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I have used my Braille Sense for certain Prayer Meetings
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> and classes but give me Braille on paper for many other
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> things.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> I also find myself using braille to label cans and other
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> food items.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's be reasonable not every one wants or can afford an
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> iphone or ID Mate.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Colleen Roth
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Aleeha Dudley via Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> To: NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:36:35 AM
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ohio-talk] Toledo Sight Center
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Iam not quite sure what to think about this. Although I
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> believe that Braille is not as fast as a computer for
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> communicating, I believe it is still relevant and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> important. I think the website does a good job of
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> expressing that technology is not the only answer.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aleeha
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > On May 20, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Marianne Denning via
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Ohio-talk <ohio-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Since people have been talking about the Toledo Sight
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Center I thought I would look at their website.  Below
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > you will find what they have to say about their
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > technology services.  In the beginning they talk about
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > technology and mention  that many people still use
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > braille...
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Read
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > this and feel free to comment.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Technology Resource Center
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > The rapid advancement of computer technology has opened
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > many doors for blind and visually impaired people.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Although many blind people still use Braille, the
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > opportunity to communicate faster and easier via
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > computers that read aloud is opening new worlds of
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > communication including surfing the web as well as
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > sending and receiving email.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Additionally, for the visually impaired person,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > computers offering large screens allow for enlarged
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > type
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > size and high contrast color patterns that permit
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > easier
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > reading.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > --
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Marianne Denning, TVI, MA Teacher of students who are
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > blind or visually impaired
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