[Pibe-division] FW: Options on intital IEP--and adviceonbeginninghigh need

Fri Sep 4 19:17:08 UTC 2009

Thanks I had looked at that as applicable and it is in my box, they said an
intital IEP can not be developed without good and thorough evals (which is
good we want that) and they seemed to have no thoughts with interim IEP-they
were like HUH? and the only experience in writing so far I can find with
that is with those who come with eligibility and some prior evals or Prior
IEP-I am guessing now you are using the term diagnostic to refer to 30 day
interims.I can not find "diagnostic IEP" or an interim for the specific
purpose of providing service while diagnosing in language in the law so far
or even so far 30 day interim as a legal rule or in the IDEA only just as a
policy or practice... They seemed to feel only 504 could provide anything at
all now.not that they did not want to necessarily, they were friendly and
positive, they were just like we CAN NOT do anything special ed wise
instruction at all until he has an IEP, and he can not have an IEP until we
are done evaluating in 30 days after the parents gives consent. There is
another section too that states that once determination of eligibility is
made an IEP must be developed (at the end), but then evals enter immediate
prior to it in to the develop in the law language-it seems like a catch 22.
How do you know schools "typically " use this-can you point to anything in
writing? Or case law? For other than emergency behavior interventions or
transfers?

Districts who deal with homeless children and no records have some
experience and I am looking in to the IDEA provisions for that and school
district and other state policies for that too, I have a call in to my state
dept of ed as well.

Has anyone as a teacher have a district experience writing an Interim for a
student with no prior records? 

Carrie 

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From: Denise Colton [mailto:dlcolton at parkcity.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:31 PM
To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
Cc: Carrie Gilmer
Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Options on intital IEP--and
adviceonbeginninghigh need

Utilize Section 300.323 of the IDEA 2004 entitled When IEPs must be in
effect which states "At the beginning of each school year, each public
agency must have in effect, for each child with a disability within it's
jurisdiction, an IEP...".   The child inarguably qualifies for special
education support.  The 30 day diagnostic IEP is what schools typically use
when they have no records on a child to work from and thus need to begin
some services and evaluation simultaneously. 

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I am aware of this vaguely but have been unable so far to find the law
section that reads specifically "diagnostic" IEP , can you point to it?

Carrie 

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Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:39 AM
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Carrie,

A thirty day diagnostic IEP can be written for students for whom it is
obvious they qualify for special education but have not yet been evaluated.
Special education staff use this period to provide instruction, assess, and
thus develop a better informed IEP at the end of the 30 days.  

Denise

Denise Lowry Colton, PhD.
Psychologist
Park City Learning & Behavior Clinic, Inc.
2700 Homestead Rd Suite 151
Park City, Utah 84098
435.615.1407 (office)
435.649.9561 (fax)
dlcolton at parkcity.net

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From: Carrie <mailto:carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>  Gilmer 

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Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:16 AM

Subject: [Pibe-division] Options on intital IEP--and advice on beginninghigh
need

Hi All,

Help/advise or experience here GREATLY appreciated:

Background is limited to this:

11 year old turning 12 in a few weeks

Sighted until age nine: total vision loss due to hydrogen explosion (massive
facial burns and scarring/father killed in explosion)

Mandarin speaker, only here from China to new family since July 09

School background is very sketchy: moved a lot and lots of tension in
divorce and back and forth-most consistent school was perhaps in American
medical foster care the last 18 months before he came here Socialization: he
seems to be much much younger emotionally right now (not surprisingly)

 We know: he can write his name in print in Chinese, shows some
understanding letters make words and very basic counting 

Can do self care (bath, dress, feed, etc) and has been doing chores as other
siblings in America since he came

Picking up on English-showing signs of intelligence/brightness at home

He wants to go to school like his new siblings, he wants to learn-asking why
they could start but not him yet.

Problem: parent wants to ease him in, he needs to be evaluated and initial
IEP--

Thinking of partial days and ELL first few weeks (also has a plastic surgery
scheduled in a few weeks so he will have some lost time after starting if he
starts in the next week or two)- school is offering homeschool general ed
instruction as an option and ELL as he is comfortable at school to begin-(I
am unsure what the general ed with no blindness experience would do with him
at home-we have not gotten that far yet as far as the school knowing WHAT
they would do-only that it is possible to do it)-what are the school's
options to provide service during intital eval and IEP development?

How can we get some service during the eval period-from day one upon
entering the school? i.e. a para, some orientation to the classroom and
building, some rudimentary "pre-braille" or alphabet instruction-so he is
not just sitting unengaged in the hour or so he may be in the classroom-also
for accommodations/access for ELL

Would we do 504 or does he meet eligibility as blind student and an intitial
baseline IEP can be written for during eval period? Anybody have anything
like this intital to get some service going right away? Or would you do only
Ell during eval period and wait to send him (could be at least two months)
until full IEP off evals for any service?

Thanks! 

Carrie Gilmer 

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