[Pibe-division] Feedback on Nemeth IEP goals

Karen Palau kapa3960 at verizon.net
Mon Sep 9 22:21:12 UTC 2013


Thanks, Denise.

From: Dr. Denise M. Robinson 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 9:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Feedback on Nemeth IEP goals

When you get incomplete links, just do a google search on what you have and the rest comes up...here it is

http://www.pathstoliteracy.org/common-core-standards-and-students-visual-impairments




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  From: Karen Palau <kapa3960 at verizon.net>
  To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List <pibe-division at nfbnet.org> 
  Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 6:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Feedback on Nemeth IEP goals


  Hi:

  I tried that link, but my screen reader indicates that the page cannot be 
  found.  Does anyone have any suggestions about how I can get this info about 
  the Common Core standards used in Maryland?
  Thanks in advance.

  Karen

  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Marianne Denning
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:20 PM
  To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
  Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Feedback on Nemeth IEP goals

  Here is the link where I found the information.
  www.pathstoliteracy.org/common-core-standards-and-students-visual-im...








  On 9/8/13, Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com> wrote:
  > Here is the document containing the Maryland braille math standards.
  > If you are successful I would like a copy.  I just have not had time
  > to work with it yet.  California and Utah also have braille standards.
  >
  > On 9/8/13, Karen Palau <kapa3960 at verizon.net> wrote:
  >> How can we get a copy of the Maryland Common Core standards?  I'll take
  >> them
  >>
  >> in any format even though I am a Jaws user.  Perhaps I can scan them and
  >> pass them along to others on this list.  Please let me know how I can
  >> access
  >>
  >> these standards.
  >> Thanks in advance.
  >>
  >> Karen
  >>
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: Marianne Denning
  >> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:12 PM
  >> To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
  >> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Feedback on Nemeth IEP goals
  >>
  >> Greg, Maryland has developed braille standards for their state
  >> standards.  I don't know if they use common core or not but I can
  >> email you the document if that might help.  I don't live in Maryland
  >> but I looked at it.  I am blind and had difficulty with the document
  >> because it is not accessible to JAWS.  If there are people from
  >> Maryland on this list please put in additional information.
  >>
  >> On 9/8/13, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
  >>> Hi Marianne and all,
  >>> Thanks for your thoughts.  Counting up the nemeth symbols she will need
  >>> is
  >>>
  >>> a
  >>> good idea.  Her baseline will be fairly high because of the way they are
  >>> teaching math now using common core, but this does allow me to measure
  >>> her
  >>> progress toward an annual goal.  She has been introduced to most of the
  >>> major Nemeth symbols that you need before algebra already.
  >>>
  >>> I had a 4th grader last year and I found that most of our instructional
  >>> time
  >>> was spent exploring spatial layouts for the different common core
  >>> strategies
  >>> and understanding concepts like writing out the multiple steps to solve
  >>> a
  >>> problem and show your work.    These items take up such a substantial
  >>> part
  >>> of my instruction that it seems appropriate to keep track of it with an
  >>> objective if possible.  Does anyone have any thoughts on how I might do
  >>> this?
  >>>
  >>> As to not writing a Nemeth goal at all: Even though she currently has no
  >>> deficits in Nemeth, she will require Nemeth instruction as new concepts
  >>> and
  >>> symbols arise.  It is my understanding that if I am going to give a
  >>> student
  >>> service time, best practice would be to have that time attached to a
  >>> goal
  >>>
  >>> or
  >>> objective.
  >>>
  >>> Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.
  >>>
  >>> Greg Aikens, M. Ed.
  >>> Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired
  >>> Cobb County School District
  >>> gpaikens at gmail.com
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
  >>> wrote:
  >>>
  >>>> Could you identify the new nemeth symbols she will learn and indicate
  >>>> she will read and braille these symbols with a percentage of accuracy
  >>>> on a number of tries?  I am not sure I would even write a nemeth goal
  >>>> for her since it does not appear to be an issue.  Nemeth is her method
  >>>> of completing math just like all of the math symbols are how sighted
  >>>> children complete math and we don't write goals for sighted children
  >>>> unless they are having specific problems.  Just my personal thoughts.
  >>>>
  >>>> On 9/8/13, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
  >>>>> Hello colleagues,
  >>>>> I'm looking for input on how others write IEP goals for nemeth in
  >>>>> elementary
  >>>>> grades, or even for older students.  What I currently do is write a
  >>>>> generic
  >>>>> goal to improve Nemeth skills and then write specific objectives
  >>>>> defining
  >>>>> what I will measure etc.  I choose these objectives by selecting a
  >>>>> handful
  >>>>> of math skills covered in that grade.  For example, 1st grade common
  >>>>> core
  >>>>> standards include writing from 1-100 and so I would write a Nemeth
  >>>>> objective
  >>>>> for the same.  However, I generally only select topics that will be
  >>>>> Nemeth
  >>>>> code intensive, such as working problems in vertical format.  Because
  >>>>> I
  >>>>> am
  >>>>> not a math specialist though, this feels arbitrary to me and
  >>>>> inevitably,
  >>>>> some of my objectives are only addressed during one quarter of the
  >>>>> year.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> The above method works for many of my students who have demonstrated
  >>>>> deficits and needs in particular parts of Nemeth instruction.
  >>>>> However,
  >>>>>
  >>>>> I
  >>>>> am
  >>>>> working on an IEP for a student who has excelled with every
  >>>>> Nemeth/abacus/math related concept I have introduced in braille.  My
  >>>>> only
  >>>>> specific goal for her this next year is to master the Nemeth concepts
  >>>>> necessary to complete the 4th grade math curriculum, but I'm having a
  >>>>> hard
  >>>>> time putting that in a measurable form.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Any advice or input would be appreciated.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Thanks,
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Greg Aikens, M. Ed.
  >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired
  >>>>> Cobb County School District
  >>>>> gpaikens at gmail.com
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
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  >>>> --
  >>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
  >>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
  >>>> (513) 607-6053
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  >> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
  >> (513) 607-6053
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  > Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
  > Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
  > (513) 607-6053
  >


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  Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
  Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
  (513) 607-6053

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