[Pibe-division] TVI Training

Sun Feb 23 21:35:54 UTC 2014

Denise, I am pleased to hear that you are having a good experience.  I
did also when I completed my practicum in 2009.  I, also, had to find
my own practicum placement since I attended classes online.  I learned
a lot through that process.

On 2/21/14, denise millette <dlmillette at friendlycity.net> wrote:
> Yes! I will gladly share my experiences.
> I did have to set up my own practicum placement. This proved to be  a
> little challenging due to the fact that it was near the Christmas
> holidays and I had a hard time getting phone calls returned. I have
> worked out transportation to the office for Exceptional Children where
> we start and end each day and I travel with my cooperating teacher to
> each school. I send in assignments through a program called Drop Box.
> I am responsible for completing the assignments and uploading them to
> Drop Box and then sharing them with my supervisor at UNCO. I have 3
> videotaped lessons that I will have to complete as observations. At
> some point we will probably participate in a phone conference or
> something similar to discuss the lessons. (This hasn't happened yet.)
> I have to complete a minimum of 350 hours and this can be full days or
> part time.
> So far it has been very interesting. I have been very happy with the
> reaction of the professionals I am working with at the school
> district. If they have questions or concerns, they haven't voiced them
> to me!
> Doing a practicum at a distance has been interesting but really the
> only difference has been interactions between myself and the
> supervisor at the school.
>
> Denise
>
> On 2/21/14, Heather Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hello Denise,
>> Could you please tell us about how your practicum teaching time was
>> organised? Did you have to organise it yourself? Did the university
>> organise
>>
>> it? Did you do several practicums at the one school or at several
>> different
>>
>> schools? Did you work at the Georgia academy For the Blind, a unit
>> attached
>>
>> to an elementary school etc. It would be very informative for those
>> comparing programmes to hear about how this part of the programme was
>> handled by the course supervisors, what there requirements were etc. Do
>> the
>>
>> lecturers from the university visit all their students who are park.
>> teaching or do they have some other method for assessing student
>> teachers'
>> classroom performance. Thank you so much for sharing with us.
>> Warmly,
>> Heather Field
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: denise millette
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:10 AM
>> To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>
>> I am completing my TVI program from the University of Northern
>> Colorado and have done it all online. In this sense it was the only
>> option for me, living in South Georgia. Commuting was not an option. I
>> have enjoyed the classes, almost all of the professors have been very
>> supportive and have never once even suggested any hesitation about my
>> abilities to teach and do my job. There were portions of courses that
>> may have been difficult or inaccessible using JAWS but my professors
>> have been very flexible in working with me to make sure I was included
>> in each aspect of the class. I never once felt that my situation was
>> any different than other students who may be having difficulty with
>> technology!
>>
>> As was said earlier, no program will be perfect. You find what works
>> best for you and do what you need to do to accomplish the task and
>> possibly work with the problems that arise to make the program better
>> for those who follow you.
>> I am also concerned as others are, regarding my possiblity for
>> employment after I graduate. It is encouraging to hear the advice and
>> suggestions that others provide from their experiences.
>> Thanks to all of you for providing this network of support!
>> Denise Millette
>>
>> On 2/20/14, Cortney osolinski <cortney.o at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Mikayla,
>>> I too, do not usually post to this list but being as you mentioned The
>>> College of NJ as a potential candidate for getting TVI training, I
>>> felt compelled to offer my experiences. I am a former graduate from
>>> their master's program.
>>> I was one of 3 other students participating in the program, and got
>>> the sense that the program itself was being developed as we worked our
>>> way through the courses. There were several instances where I was
>>> required to take classes which I had already taken at my undergraduate
>>> college, as well as classes completely unrelated to the TBVI or even
>>> special education field. I found that Very few of the classes provided
>>> as part of the program were helpful to me in preparing or teaching me
>>> anything useful for entering into a career as a TBVI. I further was
>>> not provided accommodations from the Disabilities service at the
>>> college and was forced to commute at least six hours three  days a
>>> week from Atlantic County by paratransit to attend classes because the
>>> college would not offer me campus housing. Furthermore, one professor
>>> working in the program was exceptionally rude and clearly did not hold
>>> a positive attitude towards the abilities of people who are blind or
>>> VI, and I was forced to take a year leave because the director of
>>> student teaching placement was unable to place me with a student for
>>> my practicum, resulting in me losing financial aid.
>>> I suggest you consider all the other options carefully, if I were
>>> given the chance to do it over again, I would have attended a
>>> different college myself. But, it has been several months since my
>>> graduation, perhaps things have changed for the better, I certainly
>>> would not want anyone else to experience what I had when I attended
>>> there.
>>> Good luck in your search, and if you'd like any further information
>>> about my experiences, please e/mail me.
>>> Cortney O.
>>>
>>> On 2/20/14, I. C. Bray <i.c.bray at win.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Allison,
>>>>
>>>> I am already a member of that listserv.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Allison Hilliker" <AllisonH at benetech.org>
>>>> To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>> <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> : Hi Ian,
>>>> :
>>>> : I'd recommend checking out the NFB's blind educator division. This
>>>> group
>>>> is made up of individuals who are blind and who teach either blind or
>>>> sighted students at a variety of different grade levels. I've found it
>>>> to
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>> my best resource whenever I'm working in a teaching capassity. People
>>>> on
>>>> that list will be able to answer your questions about how to teach in
>>>> whichever setting you think you might like to try. They have an NFBnet
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>> much like this one. The link for it is
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nobe-l_nfbnet.org.
>>>> :
>>>> : Best,
>>>> : Allison
>>>> :
>>>> :
>>>> :
>>>> : -----Original Message-----
>>>> : From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>>
>>>> I. C. Bray
>>>> : Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:22 AM
>>>> : To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>> : Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>> :
>>>> : Al, et al;
>>>> :
>>>> : I too follow this list, and rarely post.  I was on track to become a
>>>> dual
>>>>
>>>> certified Math & Science Teacher for Middle & Junior High when I lost
>>>> my
>>>> sight.
>>>> : I have been considering the plausibility & potential of that same
>>>> career
>>>> still.
>>>> : I have also considered going the TVI Route with O&M Dual
>>>> Certification
>>>> too.
>>>> : Having been a part of the Information Systems world, and Data
>>>> Communications when I began having serious problems, I felt that my
>>>> experience would be best used as a teacher.  I felt that I could not
>>>> compete
>>>>
>>>> in the IS & IT
>>>> : world.    I know lots of wonderful, much brighter & capable
>>>> programmers
>>>> &
>>>>
>>>> IT
>>>> : professionals than I who are blind, and I raise them up for being
>>>> able
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> continue in a field I long ago abandoned.
>>>> : Now, hearing that once sighted AND never sighted are having continued
>>>> challenges in the Blindness Education field, I am having to think yet
>>>> again
>>>>
>>>> about my career possibilities.
>>>> : I only recently ( a year ago ) went through Rehab & learned Braille &
>>>> JAWS
>>>>
>>>> skills.
>>>> : I have excellent mobility skills, because I think I learned & somehow
>>>> memorized my environment, which is a boone!  I love Braille, and have
>>>> seen,
>>>>
>>>> for myself, the necessity of learning it EARLY!!
>>>> :
>>>> : Is there any open-ended advise for me out there?
>>>> :
>>>> : Respectfully,
>>>> :
>>>> : Ian  C. Bray
>>>> : Louisville, Kentucky
>>>> :
>>>> :
>>>> :
>>>> :
>>>> : ----- Original Message -----
>>>> : From: "Al Futty" <afutty at gmail.com>
>>>> : To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>> : <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>> : Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:20 AM
>>>> : Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>> :
>>>> :
>>>> :: Hello,
>>>> ::
>>>> :: I follow this list but don't often post.  This conversation has been
>>>> very
>>>> : interesting to me as I am entering a joint TVI and O&M graduate
>>>> program
>>>> in
>>>> : the fall (most likely at Northern Illinois University, I have not
>>>> officially
>>>> : made up my mind yet so I would be interested in hearing thoughts on
>>>> the
>>>> : program).  I am visually impaired and aware of the discrimination in
>>>> the
>>>> : field.  This makes my blood boil, especially in relation to TVIs.  As
>>>> : someone who has had a life long visual impairment I can only wish
>>>> that
>>>> I
>>>> had
>>>> : a blind TVI as a child,  my "TVI" was a sighted woman who would show
>>>> up
>>>> once
>>>> : a year to do an IEP and to tell my parents not to expect too much
>>>> from
>>>> me.
>>>> : Now, I am not saying that a sighted person cannot be a great TVI,
>>>> there
>>>> are
>>>> : many, but I can only imagine how different my childhood would have
>>>> been
>>>> if
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> : had had access from an early age to an accomplished blind teacher.  I
>>>> truly
>>>> : believed I was stupid until I was in my teens and began to develop an
>>>> : independent sense o!
>>>> :: f self esteem.  I am tired of the absolute oppression many visually
>>>> : impaired and blind students face at the hands of irresponsible
>>>> educators
>>>> who
>>>> : are projecting their own assumptions about blindness onto other
>>>> people
>>>> with
>>>> : no first hand experience.
>>>> ::
>>>> :: Allie
>>>> ::
>>>> :: Sent from my iPad
>>>> ::
>>>> :: > On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:45 AM, "Smith, Pauline L" <PSmith4 at dmc.org>
>>>> : wrote:
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > Good Morning,
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > Thanks, Melissa for reminding us of the obstacles that are still
>>>> too
>>>> : numerous in getting blind teachers hired even in the TVI field.  One
>>>> thing
>>>> : that was and continues to be pointed out to me is that school
>>>> districts
>>>> are
>>>> : hesitant to hire someone that may need a driver that the district
>>>> would
>>>> : possibly have to pay for.  The number of single school based programs
>>>> : continues to diminish nationwide.  That's the kind of job I prefer.
>>>> The
>>>> : stress of finding and keeping up with drivers was a discouraging
>>>> factor
>>>> in
>>>> : my pursuing itinerant jobs, particularly in areas outside my home
>>>> base.
>>>> It
>>>> : can and is done by countless teachers.  However, I had the same
>>>> experience
>>>> : Melissa had.  I had a hard time finding successful blind teachers to
>>>> network
>>>> : with.  The one person I did find didn't keep in touch on a regular
>>>> basis
>>>> to
>>>> : be of much help.
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > Good luck to all those pursuing this profession.  Good teachers
>>>> are
>>>> : sorely needed everywhere.
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > Pauline
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > P.S., Those of you who have quotes at the end of your emails, how
>>>> do
>>>> you
>>>> : find them?  How do you incorporate them into your messages?
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > -----Original Message-----
>>>> :: > From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> : Of melissa R green
>>>> :: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:06 PM
>>>> :: > To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > Allison.
>>>> :: > thank you for giving your opinion and your insight.
>>>> :: > I have always heard the good things, and one of them is that the
>>>> program
>>>> : had the NFB philosopy.
>>>> :: > I went through the University of northern colorado program for
>>>> teaching
>>>> : blind students.
>>>> :: > I would just say that it isn't perfect, and that there are many
>>>> other
>>>> : university programs that aren't perfect either.
>>>> :: > Even if you do get the degree and complete the program.
>>>> :: > There is still lots of obstacles that face bind teachers of blind
>>>> : students.
>>>> :: > We are told about the shortage.  But noone considers the things
>>>> that
>>>> : blind teachers have to go through and the idea that a blind teacher
>>>> still
>>>> : has a hard time to land and keep their jobs.
>>>> :: > those who are successful don't or won't help others.
>>>> :: > I am being honest as well.
>>>> :: > JMO!
>>>> :: > Best,
>>>> :: > Melissa R Green
>>>> :: > Hold fast to dreams,
>>>> :: > For if dreams die
>>>> :: > Life is a broken-winged bird,
>>>> :: > That cannot fly.
>>>> :: > Langston Hughes
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> :: > From: "Allison Hilliker" <AllisonH at benetech.org>
>>>> :: > To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>> :: > <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>> :: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:04 AM
>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > Hi All,
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > I went to Louisiana Tech for the TBS program for about 6 months in
>>>> 2007.
>>>> : It
>>>> :: > absolutely has the best blindness philosophy and beliefs in the
>>>> : capability
>>>> :: > of blind people around. You'll definitely get the best teacher
>>>> education
>>>> :: > there.
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > That said, Jewel is right, it is located in the middle of nowhere.
>>>> I
>>>> : didn't
>>>> :: > care for Ruston at all and that's why I left the program. I loved
>>>> my
>>>> :: > instructors and my classes, but they only lasted for about 12
>>>> hours
>>>> a
>>>> : week
>>>> :: > and the rest of the week I was still stuck living in the small
>>>> town
>>>> : south.
>>>> :: > And the lack of transportation is a huge problem when trying to do
>>>> your
>>>> :: > field work as most blind students do not live in Ruston and you'll
>>>> need
>>>> : to
>>>> :: > hire drivers to get to neighboring towns. I was able to get rides
>>>> with
>>>> :: > friends sometimes, but when a quarter's worth of classes require
>>>> more
>>>> : than
>>>> :: > 30 hours of field work then depending on friends is not
>>>> necessarily
>>>> :: > practical. I was spending a lot of money on drivers to do field
>>>> work.
>>>> : Also,
>>>> :: > I was the only blind student in the program, and most of my
>>>> instructors
>>>> : were
>>>> :: > also sighted, so  I didn't necessarily feel like I was getting
>>>> many
>>>> :: > alternative technique suggestions for how to be an effective blind
>>>> : teacher.
>>>> :: > While The Louisiana Center does have many blind instructors,
>>>> Louisiana
>>>> : Tech
>>>> :: > did not and those were the people I was working with in my grad
>>>> program.
>>>> : And
>>>> :: > most of all, I just did not like the small town culture. Many
>>>> people
>>>> may
>>>> :: > love it, but I'm not one of them.
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > Sorry fellow NFB members. I realize this post won't be popular,
>>>> but
>>>> I
>>>> : felt
>>>> :: > moved to be honest. I've been in the NFB for years, consider
>>>> myself
>>>> a
>>>> :: > philosophical purest, and am  a Louisiana Center graduate. Even
>>>> so,
>>>> I
>>>> : have
>>>> :: > to be honest about Ruston. It's not the greatest place to spend
>>>> two
>>>> : years of
>>>> :: > one's life. We desperately need more than one NFB-focused graduate
>>>> : program
>>>> :: > in this country because Ruston is not an option for everyone. It
>>>> has
>>>> : many
>>>> :: > limitations that I feel we need to be real about.
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > JMO,
>>>> :: > Allison
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > -----Original Message-----
>>>> :: > From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> : Of
>>>> :: > Jewel
>>>> :: > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:22 PM
>>>> :: > To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > I looked into Louisiana Tech, too. I really liked the program
>>>> : description,
>>>> :: > and I really like their director, who took the time to speak to
>>>> me.
>>>> : However,
>>>> :: > this school is in the middle of nowhere. There is no bus system.
>>>> The
>>>> : only
>>>> :: > way to get to any good shopping is by Greyhound bus. And getting
>>>> around
>>>> : town
>>>> :: > unless you're walking is difficult. You would have to bum rides
>>>> from
>>>> : fellow
>>>> :: > students. That is the bad side of Louisiana Tech, but their
>>>> program
>>>> : looks
>>>> :: > really good.
>>>> :: > Jewel who went to Louisiana Tech last June to visit
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: > Sent from my iPhone
>>>> :: >
>>>> :: >> On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Mikayla Gephart
>>>> <mikgephart at icloud.com>
>>>> :: >> wrote:
>>>> :: >>
>>>> :: >> Hi,
>>>> :: >>   As I have said, I want to be a TVI. I am looking at training
>>>> : programs,
>>>> :: >> and am leaning towards the College of New Jersey and Louisiana
>>>> Tech,
>>>> as
>>>> : I
>>>> :: >> live in New Jersey. What are your experiences with these and
>>>> other
>>>> :: >> programs.
>>>> :: >>
>>>> :: >> Sent from my iPad
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