[Pibe-division] TVI Training

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On Feb 23, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com> wrote:

> Denise, I am pleased to hear that you are having a good experience.  I
> did also when I completed my practicum in 2009.  I, also, had to find
> my own practicum placement since I attended classes online.  I learned
> a lot through that process.
> 
> On 2/21/14, denise millette <dlmillette at friendlycity.net> wrote:
>> Yes! I will gladly share my experiences.
>> I did have to set up my own practicum placement. This proved to be  a
>> little challenging due to the fact that it was near the Christmas
>> holidays and I had a hard time getting phone calls returned. I have
>> worked out transportation to the office for Exceptional Children where
>> we start and end each day and I travel with my cooperating teacher to
>> each school. I send in assignments through a program called Drop Box.
>> I am responsible for completing the assignments and uploading them to
>> Drop Box and then sharing them with my supervisor at UNCO. I have 3
>> videotaped lessons that I will have to complete as observations. At
>> some point we will probably participate in a phone conference or
>> something similar to discuss the lessons. (This hasn't happened yet.)
>> I have to complete a minimum of 350 hours and this can be full days or
>> part time.
>> So far it has been very interesting. I have been very happy with the
>> reaction of the professionals I am working with at the school
>> district. If they have questions or concerns, they haven't voiced them
>> to me!
>> Doing a practicum at a distance has been interesting but really the
>> only difference has been interactions between myself and the
>> supervisor at the school.
>> 
>> Denise
>> 
>> On 2/21/14, Heather Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hello Denise,
>>> Could you please tell us about how your practicum teaching time was
>>> organised? Did you have to organise it yourself? Did the university
>>> organise
>>> 
>>> it? Did you do several practicums at the one school or at several
>>> different
>>> 
>>> schools? Did you work at the Georgia academy For the Blind, a unit
>>> attached
>>> 
>>> to an elementary school etc. It would be very informative for those
>>> comparing programmes to hear about how this part of the programme was
>>> handled by the course supervisors, what there requirements were etc. Do
>>> the
>>> 
>>> lecturers from the university visit all their students who are park.
>>> teaching or do they have some other method for assessing student
>>> teachers'
>>> classroom performance. Thank you so much for sharing with us.
>>> Warmly,
>>> Heather Field
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: denise millette
>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:10 AM
>>> To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>> 
>>> I am completing my TVI program from the University of Northern
>>> Colorado and have done it all online. In this sense it was the only
>>> option for me, living in South Georgia. Commuting was not an option. I
>>> have enjoyed the classes, almost all of the professors have been very
>>> supportive and have never once even suggested any hesitation about my
>>> abilities to teach and do my job. There were portions of courses that
>>> may have been difficult or inaccessible using JAWS but my professors
>>> have been very flexible in working with me to make sure I was included
>>> in each aspect of the class. I never once felt that my situation was
>>> any different than other students who may be having difficulty with
>>> technology!
>>> 
>>> As was said earlier, no program will be perfect. You find what works
>>> best for you and do what you need to do to accomplish the task and
>>> possibly work with the problems that arise to make the program better
>>> for those who follow you.
>>> I am also concerned as others are, regarding my possiblity for
>>> employment after I graduate. It is encouraging to hear the advice and
>>> suggestions that others provide from their experiences.
>>> Thanks to all of you for providing this network of support!
>>> Denise Millette
>>> 
>>> On 2/20/14, Cortney osolinski <cortney.o at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Mikayla,
>>>> I too, do not usually post to this list but being as you mentioned The
>>>> College of NJ as a potential candidate for getting TVI training, I
>>>> felt compelled to offer my experiences. I am a former graduate from
>>>> their master's program.
>>>> I was one of 3 other students participating in the program, and got
>>>> the sense that the program itself was being developed as we worked our
>>>> way through the courses. There were several instances where I was
>>>> required to take classes which I had already taken at my undergraduate
>>>> college, as well as classes completely unrelated to the TBVI or even
>>>> special education field. I found that Very few of the classes provided
>>>> as part of the program were helpful to me in preparing or teaching me
>>>> anything useful for entering into a career as a TBVI. I further was
>>>> not provided accommodations from the Disabilities service at the
>>>> college and was forced to commute at least six hours three  days a
>>>> week from Atlantic County by paratransit to attend classes because the
>>>> college would not offer me campus housing. Furthermore, one professor
>>>> working in the program was exceptionally rude and clearly did not hold
>>>> a positive attitude towards the abilities of people who are blind or
>>>> VI, and I was forced to take a year leave because the director of
>>>> student teaching placement was unable to place me with a student for
>>>> my practicum, resulting in me losing financial aid.
>>>> I suggest you consider all the other options carefully, if I were
>>>> given the chance to do it over again, I would have attended a
>>>> different college myself. But, it has been several months since my
>>>> graduation, perhaps things have changed for the better, I certainly
>>>> would not want anyone else to experience what I had when I attended
>>>> there.
>>>> Good luck in your search, and if you'd like any further information
>>>> about my experiences, please e/mail me.
>>>> Cortney O.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/20/14, I. C. Bray <i.c.bray at win.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, Allison,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am already a member of that listserv.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Ian
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Allison Hilliker" <AllisonH at benetech.org>
>>>>> To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>> <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> : Hi Ian,
>>>>> :
>>>>> : I'd recommend checking out the NFB's blind educator division. This
>>>>> group
>>>>> is made up of individuals who are blind and who teach either blind or
>>>>> sighted students at a variety of different grade levels. I've found it
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> 
>>>>> my best resource whenever I'm working in a teaching capassity. People
>>>>> on
>>>>> that list will be able to answer your questions about how to teach in
>>>>> whichever setting you think you might like to try. They have an NFBnet
>>>>> list
>>>>> 
>>>>> much like this one. The link for it is
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nobe-l_nfbnet.org.
>>>>> :
>>>>> : Best,
>>>>> : Allison
>>>>> :
>>>>> :
>>>>> :
>>>>> : -----Original Message-----
>>>>> : From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> 
>>>>> I. C. Bray
>>>>> : Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:22 AM
>>>>> : To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>> : Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>> :
>>>>> : Al, et al;
>>>>> :
>>>>> : I too follow this list, and rarely post.  I was on track to become a
>>>>> dual
>>>>> 
>>>>> certified Math & Science Teacher for Middle & Junior High when I lost
>>>>> my
>>>>> sight.
>>>>> : I have been considering the plausibility & potential of that same
>>>>> career
>>>>> still.
>>>>> : I have also considered going the TVI Route with O&M Dual
>>>>> Certification
>>>>> too.
>>>>> : Having been a part of the Information Systems world, and Data
>>>>> Communications when I began having serious problems, I felt that my
>>>>> experience would be best used as a teacher.  I felt that I could not
>>>>> compete
>>>>> 
>>>>> in the IS & IT
>>>>> : world.    I know lots of wonderful, much brighter & capable
>>>>> programmers
>>>>> &
>>>>> 
>>>>> IT
>>>>> : professionals than I who are blind, and I raise them up for being
>>>>> able
>>>>> to
>>>>> 
>>>>> continue in a field I long ago abandoned.
>>>>> : Now, hearing that once sighted AND never sighted are having continued
>>>>> challenges in the Blindness Education field, I am having to think yet
>>>>> again
>>>>> 
>>>>> about my career possibilities.
>>>>> : I only recently ( a year ago ) went through Rehab & learned Braille &
>>>>> JAWS
>>>>> 
>>>>> skills.
>>>>> : I have excellent mobility skills, because I think I learned & somehow
>>>>> memorized my environment, which is a boone!  I love Braille, and have
>>>>> seen,
>>>>> 
>>>>> for myself, the necessity of learning it EARLY!!
>>>>> :
>>>>> : Is there any open-ended advise for me out there?
>>>>> :
>>>>> : Respectfully,
>>>>> :
>>>>> : Ian  C. Bray
>>>>> : Louisville, Kentucky
>>>>> :
>>>>> :
>>>>> :
>>>>> :
>>>>> : ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> : From: "Al Futty" <afutty at gmail.com>
>>>>> : To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>> : <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> : Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:20 AM
>>>>> : Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>> :
>>>>> :
>>>>> :: Hello,
>>>>> ::
>>>>> :: I follow this list but don't often post.  This conversation has been
>>>>> very
>>>>> : interesting to me as I am entering a joint TVI and O&M graduate
>>>>> program
>>>>> in
>>>>> : the fall (most likely at Northern Illinois University, I have not
>>>>> officially
>>>>> : made up my mind yet so I would be interested in hearing thoughts on
>>>>> the
>>>>> : program).  I am visually impaired and aware of the discrimination in
>>>>> the
>>>>> : field.  This makes my blood boil, especially in relation to TVIs.  As
>>>>> : someone who has had a life long visual impairment I can only wish
>>>>> that
>>>>> I
>>>>> had
>>>>> : a blind TVI as a child,  my "TVI" was a sighted woman who would show
>>>>> up
>>>>> once
>>>>> : a year to do an IEP and to tell my parents not to expect too much
>>>>> from
>>>>> me.
>>>>> : Now, I am not saying that a sighted person cannot be a great TVI,
>>>>> there
>>>>> are
>>>>> : many, but I can only imagine how different my childhood would have
>>>>> been
>>>>> if
>>>>> 
>>>>> I
>>>>> : had had access from an early age to an accomplished blind teacher.  I
>>>>> truly
>>>>> : believed I was stupid until I was in my teens and began to develop an
>>>>> : independent sense o!
>>>>> :: f self esteem.  I am tired of the absolute oppression many visually
>>>>> : impaired and blind students face at the hands of irresponsible
>>>>> educators
>>>>> who
>>>>> : are projecting their own assumptions about blindness onto other
>>>>> people
>>>>> with
>>>>> : no first hand experience.
>>>>> ::
>>>>> :: Allie
>>>>> ::
>>>>> :: Sent from my iPad
>>>>> ::
>>>>> :: > On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:45 AM, "Smith, Pauline L" <PSmith4 at dmc.org>
>>>>> : wrote:
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > Good Morning,
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > Thanks, Melissa for reminding us of the obstacles that are still
>>>>> too
>>>>> : numerous in getting blind teachers hired even in the TVI field.  One
>>>>> thing
>>>>> : that was and continues to be pointed out to me is that school
>>>>> districts
>>>>> are
>>>>> : hesitant to hire someone that may need a driver that the district
>>>>> would
>>>>> : possibly have to pay for.  The number of single school based programs
>>>>> : continues to diminish nationwide.  That's the kind of job I prefer.
>>>>> The
>>>>> : stress of finding and keeping up with drivers was a discouraging
>>>>> factor
>>>>> in
>>>>> : my pursuing itinerant jobs, particularly in areas outside my home
>>>>> base.
>>>>> It
>>>>> : can and is done by countless teachers.  However, I had the same
>>>>> experience
>>>>> : Melissa had.  I had a hard time finding successful blind teachers to
>>>>> network
>>>>> : with.  The one person I did find didn't keep in touch on a regular
>>>>> basis
>>>>> to
>>>>> : be of much help.
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > Good luck to all those pursuing this profession.  Good teachers
>>>>> are
>>>>> : sorely needed everywhere.
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > Pauline
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > P.S., Those of you who have quotes at the end of your emails, how
>>>>> do
>>>>> you
>>>>> : find them?  How do you incorporate them into your messages?
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> :: > From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> : Of melissa R green
>>>>> :: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:06 PM
>>>>> :: > To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > Allison.
>>>>> :: > thank you for giving your opinion and your insight.
>>>>> :: > I have always heard the good things, and one of them is that the
>>>>> program
>>>>> : had the NFB philosopy.
>>>>> :: > I went through the University of northern colorado program for
>>>>> teaching
>>>>> : blind students.
>>>>> :: > I would just say that it isn't perfect, and that there are many
>>>>> other
>>>>> : university programs that aren't perfect either.
>>>>> :: > Even if you do get the degree and complete the program.
>>>>> :: > There is still lots of obstacles that face bind teachers of blind
>>>>> : students.
>>>>> :: > We are told about the shortage.  But noone considers the things
>>>>> that
>>>>> : blind teachers have to go through and the idea that a blind teacher
>>>>> still
>>>>> : has a hard time to land and keep their jobs.
>>>>> :: > those who are successful don't or won't help others.
>>>>> :: > I am being honest as well.
>>>>> :: > JMO!
>>>>> :: > Best,
>>>>> :: > Melissa R Green
>>>>> :: > Hold fast to dreams,
>>>>> :: > For if dreams die
>>>>> :: > Life is a broken-winged bird,
>>>>> :: > That cannot fly.
>>>>> :: > Langston Hughes
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> :: > From: "Allison Hilliker" <AllisonH at benetech.org>
>>>>> :: > To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>> :: > <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> :: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:04 AM
>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > Hi All,
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > I went to Louisiana Tech for the TBS program for about 6 months in
>>>>> 2007.
>>>>> : It
>>>>> :: > absolutely has the best blindness philosophy and beliefs in the
>>>>> : capability
>>>>> :: > of blind people around. You'll definitely get the best teacher
>>>>> education
>>>>> :: > there.
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > That said, Jewel is right, it is located in the middle of nowhere.
>>>>> I
>>>>> : didn't
>>>>> :: > care for Ruston at all and that's why I left the program. I loved
>>>>> my
>>>>> :: > instructors and my classes, but they only lasted for about 12
>>>>> hours
>>>>> a
>>>>> : week
>>>>> :: > and the rest of the week I was still stuck living in the small
>>>>> town
>>>>> : south.
>>>>> :: > And the lack of transportation is a huge problem when trying to do
>>>>> your
>>>>> :: > field work as most blind students do not live in Ruston and you'll
>>>>> need
>>>>> : to
>>>>> :: > hire drivers to get to neighboring towns. I was able to get rides
>>>>> with
>>>>> :: > friends sometimes, but when a quarter's worth of classes require
>>>>> more
>>>>> : than
>>>>> :: > 30 hours of field work then depending on friends is not
>>>>> necessarily
>>>>> :: > practical. I was spending a lot of money on drivers to do field
>>>>> work.
>>>>> : Also,
>>>>> :: > I was the only blind student in the program, and most of my
>>>>> instructors
>>>>> : were
>>>>> :: > also sighted, so  I didn't necessarily feel like I was getting
>>>>> many
>>>>> :: > alternative technique suggestions for how to be an effective blind
>>>>> : teacher.
>>>>> :: > While The Louisiana Center does have many blind instructors,
>>>>> Louisiana
>>>>> : Tech
>>>>> :: > did not and those were the people I was working with in my grad
>>>>> program.
>>>>> : And
>>>>> :: > most of all, I just did not like the small town culture. Many
>>>>> people
>>>>> may
>>>>> :: > love it, but I'm not one of them.
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > Sorry fellow NFB members. I realize this post won't be popular,
>>>>> but
>>>>> I
>>>>> : felt
>>>>> :: > moved to be honest. I've been in the NFB for years, consider
>>>>> myself
>>>>> a
>>>>> :: > philosophical purest, and am  a Louisiana Center graduate. Even
>>>>> so,
>>>>> I
>>>>> : have
>>>>> :: > to be honest about Ruston. It's not the greatest place to spend
>>>>> two
>>>>> : years of
>>>>> :: > one's life. We desperately need more than one NFB-focused graduate
>>>>> : program
>>>>> :: > in this country because Ruston is not an option for everyone. It
>>>>> has
>>>>> : many
>>>>> :: > limitations that I feel we need to be real about.
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > JMO,
>>>>> :: > Allison
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> :: > From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> : Of
>>>>> :: > Jewel
>>>>> :: > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:22 PM
>>>>> :: > To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > I looked into Louisiana Tech, too. I really liked the program
>>>>> : description,
>>>>> :: > and I really like their director, who took the time to speak to
>>>>> me.
>>>>> : However,
>>>>> :: > this school is in the middle of nowhere. There is no bus system.
>>>>> The
>>>>> : only
>>>>> :: > way to get to any good shopping is by Greyhound bus. And getting
>>>>> around
>>>>> : town
>>>>> :: > unless you're walking is difficult. You would have to bum rides
>>>>> from
>>>>> : fellow
>>>>> :: > students. That is the bad side of Louisiana Tech, but their
>>>>> program
>>>>> : looks
>>>>> :: > really good.
>>>>> :: > Jewel who went to Louisiana Tech last June to visit
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> :: >
>>>>> :: >> On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Mikayla Gephart
>>>>> <mikgephart at icloud.com>
>>>>> :: >> wrote:
>>>>> :: >>
>>>>> :: >> Hi,
>>>>> :: >>   As I have said, I want to be a TVI. I am looking at training
>>>>> : programs,
>>>>> :: >> and am leaning towards the College of New Jersey and Louisiana
>>>>> Tech,
>>>>> as
>>>>> : I
>>>>> :: >> live in New Jersey. What are your experiences with these and
>>>>> other
>>>>> :: >> programs.
>>>>> :: >>
>>>>> :: >> Sent from my iPad
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> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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