[Pibe-division] TVI Training

Mon Feb 24 00:58:23 UTC 2014

Overall, I think they were good.  I had a few issues but got them
figured out.  I like online classes better than going to a campus.  If
I had a problem I found the school instructors easy to work with.  I
took my TVI courses through Salus University in Philadelphia.

On 2/23/14, Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com> wrote:
> How were your online classes?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Denise, I am pleased to hear that you are having a good experience.  I
>> did also when I completed my practicum in 2009.  I, also, had to find
>> my own practicum placement since I attended classes online.  I learned
>> a lot through that process.
>>
>> On 2/21/14, denise millette <dlmillette at friendlycity.net> wrote:
>>> Yes! I will gladly share my experiences.
>>> I did have to set up my own practicum placement. This proved to be  a
>>> little challenging due to the fact that it was near the Christmas
>>> holidays and I had a hard time getting phone calls returned. I have
>>> worked out transportation to the office for Exceptional Children where
>>> we start and end each day and I travel with my cooperating teacher to
>>> each school. I send in assignments through a program called Drop Box.
>>> I am responsible for completing the assignments and uploading them to
>>> Drop Box and then sharing them with my supervisor at UNCO. I have 3
>>> videotaped lessons that I will have to complete as observations. At
>>> some point we will probably participate in a phone conference or
>>> something similar to discuss the lessons. (This hasn't happened yet.)
>>> I have to complete a minimum of 350 hours and this can be full days or
>>> part time.
>>> So far it has been very interesting. I have been very happy with the
>>> reaction of the professionals I am working with at the school
>>> district. If they have questions or concerns, they haven't voiced them
>>> to me!
>>> Doing a practicum at a distance has been interesting but really the
>>> only difference has been interactions between myself and the
>>> supervisor at the school.
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>> On 2/21/14, Heather Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hello Denise,
>>>> Could you please tell us about how your practicum teaching time was
>>>> organised? Did you have to organise it yourself? Did the university
>>>> organise
>>>>
>>>> it? Did you do several practicums at the one school or at several
>>>> different
>>>>
>>>> schools? Did you work at the Georgia academy For the Blind, a unit
>>>> attached
>>>>
>>>> to an elementary school etc. It would be very informative for those
>>>> comparing programmes to hear about how this part of the programme was
>>>> handled by the course supervisors, what there requirements were etc. Do
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> lecturers from the university visit all their students who are park.
>>>> teaching or do they have some other method for assessing student
>>>> teachers'
>>>> classroom performance. Thank you so much for sharing with us.
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Heather Field
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: denise millette
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:10 AM
>>>> To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>
>>>> I am completing my TVI program from the University of Northern
>>>> Colorado and have done it all online. In this sense it was the only
>>>> option for me, living in South Georgia. Commuting was not an option. I
>>>> have enjoyed the classes, almost all of the professors have been very
>>>> supportive and have never once even suggested any hesitation about my
>>>> abilities to teach and do my job. There were portions of courses that
>>>> may have been difficult or inaccessible using JAWS but my professors
>>>> have been very flexible in working with me to make sure I was included
>>>> in each aspect of the class. I never once felt that my situation was
>>>> any different than other students who may be having difficulty with
>>>> technology!
>>>>
>>>> As was said earlier, no program will be perfect. You find what works
>>>> best for you and do what you need to do to accomplish the task and
>>>> possibly work with the problems that arise to make the program better
>>>> for those who follow you.
>>>> I am also concerned as others are, regarding my possiblity for
>>>> employment after I graduate. It is encouraging to hear the advice and
>>>> suggestions that others provide from their experiences.
>>>> Thanks to all of you for providing this network of support!
>>>> Denise Millette
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/14, Cortney osolinski <cortney.o at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Mikayla,
>>>>> I too, do not usually post to this list but being as you mentioned The
>>>>> College of NJ as a potential candidate for getting TVI training, I
>>>>> felt compelled to offer my experiences. I am a former graduate from
>>>>> their master's program.
>>>>> I was one of 3 other students participating in the program, and got
>>>>> the sense that the program itself was being developed as we worked our
>>>>> way through the courses. There were several instances where I was
>>>>> required to take classes which I had already taken at my undergraduate
>>>>> college, as well as classes completely unrelated to the TBVI or even
>>>>> special education field. I found that Very few of the classes provided
>>>>> as part of the program were helpful to me in preparing or teaching me
>>>>> anything useful for entering into a career as a TBVI. I further was
>>>>> not provided accommodations from the Disabilities service at the
>>>>> college and was forced to commute at least six hours three  days a
>>>>> week from Atlantic County by paratransit to attend classes because the
>>>>> college would not offer me campus housing. Furthermore, one professor
>>>>> working in the program was exceptionally rude and clearly did not hold
>>>>> a positive attitude towards the abilities of people who are blind or
>>>>> VI, and I was forced to take a year leave because the director of
>>>>> student teaching placement was unable to place me with a student for
>>>>> my practicum, resulting in me losing financial aid.
>>>>> I suggest you consider all the other options carefully, if I were
>>>>> given the chance to do it over again, I would have attended a
>>>>> different college myself. But, it has been several months since my
>>>>> graduation, perhaps things have changed for the better, I certainly
>>>>> would not want anyone else to experience what I had when I attended
>>>>> there.
>>>>> Good luck in your search, and if you'd like any further information
>>>>> about my experiences, please e/mail me.
>>>>> Cortney O.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/14, I. C. Bray <i.c.bray at win.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, Allison,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am already a member of that listserv.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Allison Hilliker" <AllisonH at benetech.org>
>>>>>> To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>>> <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> : Hi Ian,
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : I'd recommend checking out the NFB's blind educator division. This
>>>>>> group
>>>>>> is made up of individuals who are blind and who teach either blind or
>>>>>> sighted students at a variety of different grade levels. I've found
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my best resource whenever I'm working in a teaching capassity. People
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> that list will be able to answer your questions about how to teach in
>>>>>> whichever setting you think you might like to try. They have an
>>>>>> NFBnet
>>>>>> list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> much like this one. The link for it is
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nobe-l_nfbnet.org.
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : Best,
>>>>>> : Allison
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> : From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I. C. Bray
>>>>>> : Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:22 AM
>>>>>> : To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>>> : Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : Al, et al;
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : I too follow this list, and rarely post.  I was on track to become
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> dual
>>>>>>
>>>>>> certified Math & Science Teacher for Middle & Junior High when I lost
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> sight.
>>>>>> : I have been considering the plausibility & potential of that same
>>>>>> career
>>>>>> still.
>>>>>> : I have also considered going the TVI Route with O&M Dual
>>>>>> Certification
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>> : Having been a part of the Information Systems world, and Data
>>>>>> Communications when I began having serious problems, I felt that my
>>>>>> experience would be best used as a teacher.  I felt that I could not
>>>>>> compete
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in the IS & IT
>>>>>> : world.    I know lots of wonderful, much brighter & capable
>>>>>> programmers
>>>>>> &
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IT
>>>>>> : professionals than I who are blind, and I raise them up for being
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> continue in a field I long ago abandoned.
>>>>>> : Now, hearing that once sighted AND never sighted are having
>>>>>> continued
>>>>>> challenges in the Blindness Education field, I am having to think yet
>>>>>> again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> about my career possibilities.
>>>>>> : I only recently ( a year ago ) went through Rehab & learned Braille
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> skills.
>>>>>> : I have excellent mobility skills, because I think I learned &
>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>> memorized my environment, which is a boone!  I love Braille, and have
>>>>>> seen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for myself, the necessity of learning it EARLY!!
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : Is there any open-ended advise for me out there?
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : Respectfully,
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : Ian  C. Bray
>>>>>> : Louisville, Kentucky
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> : ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> : From: "Al Futty" <afutty at gmail.com>
>>>>>> : To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>>> : <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> : Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:20 AM
>>>>>> : Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> :: Hello,
>>>>>> ::
>>>>>> :: I follow this list but don't often post.  This conversation has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> : interesting to me as I am entering a joint TVI and O&M graduate
>>>>>> program
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> : the fall (most likely at Northern Illinois University, I have not
>>>>>> officially
>>>>>> : made up my mind yet so I would be interested in hearing thoughts on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> : program).  I am visually impaired and aware of the discrimination
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> : field.  This makes my blood boil, especially in relation to TVIs.
>>>>>> As
>>>>>> : someone who has had a life long visual impairment I can only wish
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> : a blind TVI as a child,  my "TVI" was a sighted woman who would
>>>>>> show
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> : a year to do an IEP and to tell my parents not to expect too much
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>> : Now, I am not saying that a sighted person cannot be a great TVI,
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> : many, but I can only imagine how different my childhood would have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> : had had access from an early age to an accomplished blind teacher.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> truly
>>>>>> : believed I was stupid until I was in my teens and began to develop
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> : independent sense o!
>>>>>> :: f self esteem.  I am tired of the absolute oppression many
>>>>>> visually
>>>>>> : impaired and blind students face at the hands of irresponsible
>>>>>> educators
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> : are projecting their own assumptions about blindness onto other
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> : no first hand experience.
>>>>>> ::
>>>>>> :: Allie
>>>>>> ::
>>>>>> :: Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> ::
>>>>>> :: > On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:45 AM, "Smith, Pauline L"
>>>>>> <PSmith4 at dmc.org>
>>>>>> : wrote:
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > Good Morning,
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > Thanks, Melissa for reminding us of the obstacles that are still
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> : numerous in getting blind teachers hired even in the TVI field.
>>>>>> One
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> : that was and continues to be pointed out to me is that school
>>>>>> districts
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> : hesitant to hire someone that may need a driver that the district
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> : possibly have to pay for.  The number of single school based
>>>>>> programs
>>>>>> : continues to diminish nationwide.  That's the kind of job I prefer.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> : stress of finding and keeping up with drivers was a discouraging
>>>>>> factor
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> : my pursuing itinerant jobs, particularly in areas outside my home
>>>>>> base.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> : can and is done by countless teachers.  However, I had the same
>>>>>> experience
>>>>>> : Melissa had.  I had a hard time finding successful blind teachers
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> network
>>>>>> : with.  The one person I did find didn't keep in touch on a regular
>>>>>> basis
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> : be of much help.
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > Good luck to all those pursuing this profession.  Good teachers
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> : sorely needed everywhere.
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > Pauline
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > P.S., Those of you who have quotes at the end of your emails,
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> : find them?  How do you incorporate them into your messages?
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> :: > From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> : Of melissa R green
>>>>>> :: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:06 PM
>>>>>> :: > To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > Allison.
>>>>>> :: > thank you for giving your opinion and your insight.
>>>>>> :: > I have always heard the good things, and one of them is that the
>>>>>> program
>>>>>> : had the NFB philosopy.
>>>>>> :: > I went through the University of northern colorado program for
>>>>>> teaching
>>>>>> : blind students.
>>>>>> :: > I would just say that it isn't perfect, and that there are many
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> : university programs that aren't perfect either.
>>>>>> :: > Even if you do get the degree and complete the program.
>>>>>> :: > There is still lots of obstacles that face bind teachers of
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> : students.
>>>>>> :: > We are told about the shortage.  But noone considers the things
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> : blind teachers have to go through and the idea that a blind teacher
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> : has a hard time to land and keep their jobs.
>>>>>> :: > those who are successful don't or won't help others.
>>>>>> :: > I am being honest as well.
>>>>>> :: > JMO!
>>>>>> :: > Best,
>>>>>> :: > Melissa R Green
>>>>>> :: > Hold fast to dreams,
>>>>>> :: > For if dreams die
>>>>>> :: > Life is a broken-winged bird,
>>>>>> :: > That cannot fly.
>>>>>> :: > Langston Hughes
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> :: > From: "Allison Hilliker" <AllisonH at benetech.org>
>>>>>> :: > To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>>> :: > <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> :: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:04 AM
>>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > Hi All,
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > I went to Louisiana Tech for the TBS program for about 6 months
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 2007.
>>>>>> : It
>>>>>> :: > absolutely has the best blindness philosophy and beliefs in the
>>>>>> : capability
>>>>>> :: > of blind people around. You'll definitely get the best teacher
>>>>>> education
>>>>>> :: > there.
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > That said, Jewel is right, it is located in the middle of
>>>>>> nowhere.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> : didn't
>>>>>> :: > care for Ruston at all and that's why I left the program. I
>>>>>> loved
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> :: > instructors and my classes, but they only lasted for about 12
>>>>>> hours
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> : week
>>>>>> :: > and the rest of the week I was still stuck living in the small
>>>>>> town
>>>>>> : south.
>>>>>> :: > And the lack of transportation is a huge problem when trying to
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> :: > field work as most blind students do not live in Ruston and
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> : to
>>>>>> :: > hire drivers to get to neighboring towns. I was able to get
>>>>>> rides
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> :: > friends sometimes, but when a quarter's worth of classes require
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> : than
>>>>>> :: > 30 hours of field work then depending on friends is not
>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>> :: > practical. I was spending a lot of money on drivers to do field
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>> : Also,
>>>>>> :: > I was the only blind student in the program, and most of my
>>>>>> instructors
>>>>>> : were
>>>>>> :: > also sighted, so  I didn't necessarily feel like I was getting
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> :: > alternative technique suggestions for how to be an effective
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> : teacher.
>>>>>> :: > While The Louisiana Center does have many blind instructors,
>>>>>> Louisiana
>>>>>> : Tech
>>>>>> :: > did not and those were the people I was working with in my grad
>>>>>> program.
>>>>>> : And
>>>>>> :: > most of all, I just did not like the small town culture. Many
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> :: > love it, but I'm not one of them.
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > Sorry fellow NFB members. I realize this post won't be popular,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> : felt
>>>>>> :: > moved to be honest. I've been in the NFB for years, consider
>>>>>> myself
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> :: > philosophical purest, and am  a Louisiana Center graduate. Even
>>>>>> so,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> : have
>>>>>> :: > to be honest about Ruston. It's not the greatest place to spend
>>>>>> two
>>>>>> : years of
>>>>>> :: > one's life. We desperately need more than one NFB-focused
>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>> : program
>>>>>> :: > in this country because Ruston is not an option for everyone. It
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> : many
>>>>>> :: > limitations that I feel we need to be real about.
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > JMO,
>>>>>> :: > Allison
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> :: > From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> : Of
>>>>>> :: > Jewel
>>>>>> :: > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:22 PM
>>>>>> :: > To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > I looked into Louisiana Tech, too. I really liked the program
>>>>>> : description,
>>>>>> :: > and I really like their director, who took the time to speak to
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>> : However,
>>>>>> :: > this school is in the middle of nowhere. There is no bus system.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> : only
>>>>>> :: > way to get to any good shopping is by Greyhound bus. And getting
>>>>>> around
>>>>>> : town
>>>>>> :: > unless you're walking is difficult. You would have to bum rides
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> : fellow
>>>>>> :: > students. That is the bad side of Louisiana Tech, but their
>>>>>> program
>>>>>> : looks
>>>>>> :: > really good.
>>>>>> :: > Jewel who went to Louisiana Tech last June to visit
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>> :: >> On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Mikayla Gephart
>>>>>> <mikgephart at icloud.com>
>>>>>> :: >> wrote:
>>>>>> :: >>
>>>>>> :: >> Hi,
>>>>>> :: >>   As I have said, I want to be a TVI. I am looking at training
>>>>>> : programs,
>>>>>> :: >> and am leaning towards the College of New Jersey and Louisiana
>>>>>> Tech,
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> : I
>>>>>> :: >> live in New Jersey. What are your experiences with these and
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> :: >> programs.
>>>>>> :: >>
>>>>>> :: >> Sent from my iPad
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>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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