[Pibe-division] TVI Training

Fri Feb 28 04:06:51 UTC 2014

Yes, I had some very good professors who were willing to do what was
needed. I think the only issue that was not resolved was that the
Voice board on the blackboard interface would not work with JAWS or
NVDA. I also had some issues with a couple of documents but most were
very easily converted by the Disability Support Services.

On 2/23/14, Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com> wrote:
> Overall, I think they were good.  I had a few issues but got them
> figured out.  I like online classes better than going to a campus.  If
> I had a problem I found the school instructors easy to work with.  I
> took my TVI courses through Salus University in Philadelphia.
>
> On 2/23/14, Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com> wrote:
>> How were your online classes?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Denise, I am pleased to hear that you are having a good experience.  I
>>> did also when I completed my practicum in 2009.  I, also, had to find
>>> my own practicum placement since I attended classes online.  I learned
>>> a lot through that process.
>>>
>>> On 2/21/14, denise millette <dlmillette at friendlycity.net> wrote:
>>>> Yes! I will gladly share my experiences.
>>>> I did have to set up my own practicum placement. This proved to be  a
>>>> little challenging due to the fact that it was near the Christmas
>>>> holidays and I had a hard time getting phone calls returned. I have
>>>> worked out transportation to the office for Exceptional Children where
>>>> we start and end each day and I travel with my cooperating teacher to
>>>> each school. I send in assignments through a program called Drop Box.
>>>> I am responsible for completing the assignments and uploading them to
>>>> Drop Box and then sharing them with my supervisor at UNCO. I have 3
>>>> videotaped lessons that I will have to complete as observations. At
>>>> some point we will probably participate in a phone conference or
>>>> something similar to discuss the lessons. (This hasn't happened yet.)
>>>> I have to complete a minimum of 350 hours and this can be full days or
>>>> part time.
>>>> So far it has been very interesting. I have been very happy with the
>>>> reaction of the professionals I am working with at the school
>>>> district. If they have questions or concerns, they haven't voiced them
>>>> to me!
>>>> Doing a practicum at a distance has been interesting but really the
>>>> only difference has been interactions between myself and the
>>>> supervisor at the school.
>>>>
>>>> Denise
>>>>
>>>> On 2/21/14, Heather Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Denise,
>>>>> Could you please tell us about how your practicum teaching time was
>>>>> organised? Did you have to organise it yourself? Did the university
>>>>> organise
>>>>>
>>>>> it? Did you do several practicums at the one school or at several
>>>>> different
>>>>>
>>>>> schools? Did you work at the Georgia academy For the Blind, a unit
>>>>> attached
>>>>>
>>>>> to an elementary school etc. It would be very informative for those
>>>>> comparing programmes to hear about how this part of the programme was
>>>>> handled by the course supervisors, what there requirements were etc.
>>>>> Do
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> lecturers from the university visit all their students who are park.
>>>>> teaching or do they have some other method for assessing student
>>>>> teachers'
>>>>> classroom performance. Thank you so much for sharing with us.
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: denise millette
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:10 AM
>>>>> To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>
>>>>> I am completing my TVI program from the University of Northern
>>>>> Colorado and have done it all online. In this sense it was the only
>>>>> option for me, living in South Georgia. Commuting was not an option. I
>>>>> have enjoyed the classes, almost all of the professors have been very
>>>>> supportive and have never once even suggested any hesitation about my
>>>>> abilities to teach and do my job. There were portions of courses that
>>>>> may have been difficult or inaccessible using JAWS but my professors
>>>>> have been very flexible in working with me to make sure I was included
>>>>> in each aspect of the class. I never once felt that my situation was
>>>>> any different than other students who may be having difficulty with
>>>>> technology!
>>>>>
>>>>> As was said earlier, no program will be perfect. You find what works
>>>>> best for you and do what you need to do to accomplish the task and
>>>>> possibly work with the problems that arise to make the program better
>>>>> for those who follow you.
>>>>> I am also concerned as others are, regarding my possiblity for
>>>>> employment after I graduate. It is encouraging to hear the advice and
>>>>> suggestions that others provide from their experiences.
>>>>> Thanks to all of you for providing this network of support!
>>>>> Denise Millette
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/14, Cortney osolinski <cortney.o at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Mikayla,
>>>>>> I too, do not usually post to this list but being as you mentioned
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> College of NJ as a potential candidate for getting TVI training, I
>>>>>> felt compelled to offer my experiences. I am a former graduate from
>>>>>> their master's program.
>>>>>> I was one of 3 other students participating in the program, and got
>>>>>> the sense that the program itself was being developed as we worked
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> way through the courses. There were several instances where I was
>>>>>> required to take classes which I had already taken at my
>>>>>> undergraduate
>>>>>> college, as well as classes completely unrelated to the TBVI or even
>>>>>> special education field. I found that Very few of the classes
>>>>>> provided
>>>>>> as part of the program were helpful to me in preparing or teaching me
>>>>>> anything useful for entering into a career as a TBVI. I further was
>>>>>> not provided accommodations from the Disabilities service at the
>>>>>> college and was forced to commute at least six hours three  days a
>>>>>> week from Atlantic County by paratransit to attend classes because
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> college would not offer me campus housing. Furthermore, one professor
>>>>>> working in the program was exceptionally rude and clearly did not
>>>>>> hold
>>>>>> a positive attitude towards the abilities of people who are blind or
>>>>>> VI, and I was forced to take a year leave because the director of
>>>>>> student teaching placement was unable to place me with a student for
>>>>>> my practicum, resulting in me losing financial aid.
>>>>>> I suggest you consider all the other options carefully, if I were
>>>>>> given the chance to do it over again, I would have attended a
>>>>>> different college myself. But, it has been several months since my
>>>>>> graduation, perhaps things have changed for the better, I certainly
>>>>>> would not want anyone else to experience what I had when I attended
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> Good luck in your search, and if you'd like any further information
>>>>>> about my experiences, please e/mail me.
>>>>>> Cortney O.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/20/14, I. C. Bray <i.c.bray at win.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Allison,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am already a member of that listserv.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Allison Hilliker" <AllisonH at benetech.org>
>>>>>>> To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>>>> <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:49 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> : Hi Ian,
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : I'd recommend checking out the NFB's blind educator division. This
>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>> is made up of individuals who are blind and who teach either blind
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> sighted students at a variety of different grade levels. I've found
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my best resource whenever I'm working in a teaching capassity.
>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> that list will be able to answer your questions about how to teach
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> whichever setting you think you might like to try. They have an
>>>>>>> NFBnet
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> much like this one. The link for it is
>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nobe-l_nfbnet.org.
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : Best,
>>>>>>> : Allison
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> : From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I. C. Bray
>>>>>>> : Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:22 AM
>>>>>>> : To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>>>> : Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : Al, et al;
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : I too follow this list, and rarely post.  I was on track to become
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> dual
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> certified Math & Science Teacher for Middle & Junior High when I
>>>>>>> lost
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> sight.
>>>>>>> : I have been considering the plausibility & potential of that same
>>>>>>> career
>>>>>>> still.
>>>>>>> : I have also considered going the TVI Route with O&M Dual
>>>>>>> Certification
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>> : Having been a part of the Information Systems world, and Data
>>>>>>> Communications when I began having serious problems, I felt that my
>>>>>>> experience would be best used as a teacher.  I felt that I could not
>>>>>>> compete
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in the IS & IT
>>>>>>> : world.    I know lots of wonderful, much brighter & capable
>>>>>>> programmers
>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IT
>>>>>>> : professionals than I who are blind, and I raise them up for being
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> continue in a field I long ago abandoned.
>>>>>>> : Now, hearing that once sighted AND never sighted are having
>>>>>>> continued
>>>>>>> challenges in the Blindness Education field, I am having to think
>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> about my career possibilities.
>>>>>>> : I only recently ( a year ago ) went through Rehab & learned
>>>>>>> Braille
>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> skills.
>>>>>>> : I have excellent mobility skills, because I think I learned &
>>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>> memorized my environment, which is a boone!  I love Braille, and
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> seen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for myself, the necessity of learning it EARLY!!
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : Is there any open-ended advise for me out there?
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : Respectfully,
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : Ian  C. Bray
>>>>>>> : Louisville, Kentucky
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> : ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> : From: "Al Futty" <afutty at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> : To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>>>> : <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> : Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:20 AM
>>>>>>> : Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> :: Hello,
>>>>>>> ::
>>>>>>> :: I follow this list but don't often post.  This conversation has
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> : interesting to me as I am entering a joint TVI and O&M graduate
>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> : the fall (most likely at Northern Illinois University, I have not
>>>>>>> officially
>>>>>>> : made up my mind yet so I would be interested in hearing thoughts
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> : program).  I am visually impaired and aware of the discrimination
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> : field.  This makes my blood boil, especially in relation to TVIs.
>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>> : someone who has had a life long visual impairment I can only wish
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> : a blind TVI as a child,  my "TVI" was a sighted woman who would
>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>> : a year to do an IEP and to tell my parents not to expect too much
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>> : Now, I am not saying that a sighted person cannot be a great TVI,
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> : many, but I can only imagine how different my childhood would have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> : had had access from an early age to an accomplished blind teacher.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> truly
>>>>>>> : believed I was stupid until I was in my teens and began to develop
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> : independent sense o!
>>>>>>> :: f self esteem.  I am tired of the absolute oppression many
>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>> : impaired and blind students face at the hands of irresponsible
>>>>>>> educators
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> : are projecting their own assumptions about blindness onto other
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> : no first hand experience.
>>>>>>> ::
>>>>>>> :: Allie
>>>>>>> ::
>>>>>>> :: Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> ::
>>>>>>> :: > On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:45 AM, "Smith, Pauline L"
>>>>>>> <PSmith4 at dmc.org>
>>>>>>> : wrote:
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > Good Morning,
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > Thanks, Melissa for reminding us of the obstacles that are
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> : numerous in getting blind teachers hired even in the TVI field.
>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> : that was and continues to be pointed out to me is that school
>>>>>>> districts
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> : hesitant to hire someone that may need a driver that the district
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> : possibly have to pay for.  The number of single school based
>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>> : continues to diminish nationwide.  That's the kind of job I
>>>>>>> prefer.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> : stress of finding and keeping up with drivers was a discouraging
>>>>>>> factor
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> : my pursuing itinerant jobs, particularly in areas outside my home
>>>>>>> base.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> : can and is done by countless teachers.  However, I had the same
>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>> : Melissa had.  I had a hard time finding successful blind teachers
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>> : with.  The one person I did find didn't keep in touch on a regular
>>>>>>> basis
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> : be of much help.
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > Good luck to all those pursuing this profession.  Good teachers
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> : sorely needed everywhere.
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > Pauline
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > P.S., Those of you who have quotes at the end of your emails,
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> : find them?  How do you incorporate them into your messages?
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> :: > From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> : Of melissa R green
>>>>>>> :: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:06 PM
>>>>>>> :: > To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > Allison.
>>>>>>> :: > thank you for giving your opinion and your insight.
>>>>>>> :: > I have always heard the good things, and one of them is that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>> : had the NFB philosopy.
>>>>>>> :: > I went through the University of northern colorado program for
>>>>>>> teaching
>>>>>>> : blind students.
>>>>>>> :: > I would just say that it isn't perfect, and that there are many
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> : university programs that aren't perfect either.
>>>>>>> :: > Even if you do get the degree and complete the program.
>>>>>>> :: > There is still lots of obstacles that face bind teachers of
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> : students.
>>>>>>> :: > We are told about the shortage.  But noone considers the things
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> : blind teachers have to go through and the idea that a blind
>>>>>>> teacher
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> : has a hard time to land and keep their jobs.
>>>>>>> :: > those who are successful don't or won't help others.
>>>>>>> :: > I am being honest as well.
>>>>>>> :: > JMO!
>>>>>>> :: > Best,
>>>>>>> :: > Melissa R Green
>>>>>>> :: > Hold fast to dreams,
>>>>>>> :: > For if dreams die
>>>>>>> :: > Life is a broken-winged bird,
>>>>>>> :: > That cannot fly.
>>>>>>> :: > Langston Hughes
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> :: > From: "Allison Hilliker" <AllisonH at benetech.org>
>>>>>>> :: > To: "Professionals in Blindness Education Division List"
>>>>>>> :: > <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> :: > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:04 AM
>>>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > Hi All,
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > I went to Louisiana Tech for the TBS program for about 6 months
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> 2007.
>>>>>>> : It
>>>>>>> :: > absolutely has the best blindness philosophy and beliefs in the
>>>>>>> : capability
>>>>>>> :: > of blind people around. You'll definitely get the best teacher
>>>>>>> education
>>>>>>> :: > there.
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > That said, Jewel is right, it is located in the middle of
>>>>>>> nowhere.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> : didn't
>>>>>>> :: > care for Ruston at all and that's why I left the program. I
>>>>>>> loved
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> :: > instructors and my classes, but they only lasted for about 12
>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> : week
>>>>>>> :: > and the rest of the week I was still stuck living in the small
>>>>>>> town
>>>>>>> : south.
>>>>>>> :: > And the lack of transportation is a huge problem when trying to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> :: > field work as most blind students do not live in Ruston and
>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> : to
>>>>>>> :: > hire drivers to get to neighboring towns. I was able to get
>>>>>>> rides
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> :: > friends sometimes, but when a quarter's worth of classes
>>>>>>> require
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> : than
>>>>>>> :: > 30 hours of field work then depending on friends is not
>>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>> :: > practical. I was spending a lot of money on drivers to do field
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>> : Also,
>>>>>>> :: > I was the only blind student in the program, and most of my
>>>>>>> instructors
>>>>>>> : were
>>>>>>> :: > also sighted, so  I didn't necessarily feel like I was getting
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> :: > alternative technique suggestions for how to be an effective
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> : teacher.
>>>>>>> :: > While The Louisiana Center does have many blind instructors,
>>>>>>> Louisiana
>>>>>>> : Tech
>>>>>>> :: > did not and those were the people I was working with in my grad
>>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>> : And
>>>>>>> :: > most of all, I just did not like the small town culture. Many
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> :: > love it, but I'm not one of them.
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > Sorry fellow NFB members. I realize this post won't be popular,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> : felt
>>>>>>> :: > moved to be honest. I've been in the NFB for years, consider
>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> :: > philosophical purest, and am  a Louisiana Center graduate. Even
>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> : have
>>>>>>> :: > to be honest about Ruston. It's not the greatest place to spend
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> : years of
>>>>>>> :: > one's life. We desperately need more than one NFB-focused
>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>> : program
>>>>>>> :: > in this country because Ruston is not an option for everyone.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> : many
>>>>>>> :: > limitations that I feel we need to be real about.
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > JMO,
>>>>>>> :: > Allison
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> :: > From: Pibe-division [mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> : Of
>>>>>>> :: > Jewel
>>>>>>> :: > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:22 PM
>>>>>>> :: > To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
>>>>>>> :: > Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] TVI Training
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > I looked into Louisiana Tech, too. I really liked the program
>>>>>>> : description,
>>>>>>> :: > and I really like their director, who took the time to speak to
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>> : However,
>>>>>>> :: > this school is in the middle of nowhere. There is no bus
>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> : only
>>>>>>> :: > way to get to any good shopping is by Greyhound bus. And
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>> : town
>>>>>>> :: > unless you're walking is difficult. You would have to bum rides
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> : fellow
>>>>>>> :: > students. That is the bad side of Louisiana Tech, but their
>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>> : looks
>>>>>>> :: > really good.
>>>>>>> :: > Jewel who went to Louisiana Tech last June to visit
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> :: >
>>>>>>> :: >> On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Mikayla Gephart
>>>>>>> <mikgephart at icloud.com>
>>>>>>> :: >> wrote:
>>>>>>> :: >>
>>>>>>> :: >> Hi,
>>>>>>> :: >>   As I have said, I want to be a TVI. I am looking at training
>>>>>>> : programs,
>>>>>>> :: >> and am leaning towards the College of New Jersey and Louisiana
>>>>>>> Tech,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> : I
>>>>>>> :: >> live in New Jersey. What are your experiences with these and
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> :: >> programs.
>>>>>>> :: >>
>>>>>>> :: >> Sent from my iPad
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