[rehab] RSA Rules

Wed Jan 11 03:59:37 UTC 2012

Dick,

Thanks! With these folks, it is all about control! They talk a lot about 
policies and procedures to excuse themselves from doing their jobs and 
using the funds they are paid to manage as those funds are meant to be 
used. They really do not like consumers who come in having learned those 
rules and laws.

So I record everything, one way or another. My partner, who was a 
witness to another attempt at VR for that consulting contract a couple 
of years ago, knows the drill and attends all meetings. He also helps to 
ensure the recording equipment is going at all times so that I don't 
have to worry about it.

I know the RSA was in pretty bad shape during the last administration. 
I'm glad you reminded me about them. If the agency continues with more 
of the usual this time, I will contact them!

Thank you!

Tami

On 01/10/2012 08:26 AM, Dick Davis wrote:
> Hi,
> States, and sometimes individual supervisors and counselors, have been
> known to make up rules and blame them on the feds.  The feds don't like
> that.  In fact, rehabilitation law and regulations say that information
> has to be provided to consumers in their medium of choice, which can be
> e-mail.  If e-mail confidentiality is an issue, states often have secure
> mail systems that can be used.  Two advantages of face to face meetings
> from the counselor's standpoint are: 1) it is easier to intimidate someone
> in person rather than via e-mail, and 2) there is no record of the
> conversation except the one the counselor puts in the casefile.  So it may
> be a control issue.  If that is the case, always take someone with you to
> be a witness to the conversation.  If the counselor and/or agency continue
> to say that the rule is required by the feds, tell your state NFB
> president.  You can also call RSA in Washington DC; if you do so, ask to
> talk to your state rep.
> Dick Davis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:31 AM
> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>
> Sounds like this councilor is incompetent! RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:<Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
> To:<rehab at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>
>
>> Shhhhh, don't tell him/her/it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of RJ Sandefur
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:01 AM
>> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>
>> Well then my councilor is in violation of the rules then! RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:<Jane.Lansaw at dars.state.tx.us>
>> To:<rehab at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>
>>
>>> Good point.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jan Bailey
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:12 AM
>>> To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>
>>> Tell her you want to see the rule in writing.  I'll bet she can't
> produce
>>> it.
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gabe Vega"<theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List"<rehab at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] RSA Rules
>>>
>>>
>>>> unless they changed very recently, I find this hard to believe.
>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
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>>>>
>>>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> I just talked to the new VRC for my area in Oregon. She told me that
>>>>> RSA
>>>>> rules say that communications between VRC and consumer must occur
>>>>> face-to-face and cannot be done at all over e-mail. I can see why an
>>>>> initial meeting would be best done one-on-one; however, I prefer all
>>>>> communications occur via e-mail because that gives me a clear record
> of
>>>>> everything, date and time stamped, with all that other lovely header
>>>>> information. Also, honestly, e-mail communications are so much more
>>>>> efficient for everyone! Easier on the state budget, too, and all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is what the VRC told me about RSA rules requiring that all meetings
>>>>> with
>>>>> consumers be conducted one-on-one in person and that e-mail or other
>>>>> forms of written communication are not allowed?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, how long has that been the case?
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming that the majority of you are Braille Monitor readers,
> perhaps
>>>>> the mention that I am in Oregon will reveal why I don't believe a
> word
>>>>> anyone from that agency says unless I find out from at least three
>>>>> other
>>>>> sources. Or even one, since I usually can't find even that many.
>>>>> Sheesh!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tami
>>>>>
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