[Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey

Sat Aug 11 12:36:26 UTC 2012

Hi, Justin Williams,

The way that I explain a cane to folks is that a cane gives you great
vision within about five feet. Echolocation gives you very good vision
within roughly a thousand. When discussing conveyances, I compare the
two to bifocals' top and bottom lenses. I can safely climb a mountain
with a cane, but can safely ride a mountain bike on that mountain with
echolocation. I can see a building at a thousand feet with
echolocation, I can play basketball with no accommodations, etc.
Echolocation gives you the world without color, but a cane is still
necessary for drop offs and the like.

Justin Louchart

On 8/11/12, Justin.Williams2 <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have found that while walking with people, if I don't pay attention to my
> surroundings, and watch my step, they will lead me into stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kociaba
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:28 PM
> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey
>
> How can you compare the two?  If you are walking sighted guide you have no
> effort you need not pay any attention to your surroundings its totally the
> other person's responsability...you are "just along for the ride".    If
> you
>
> are working with a guide dog you are still in charge of the situation and
> you need to know where you are and have an idea of the route to your
> destination. The dog is not going to read signs to you or otherwise
> identify
> landmarks. Its still totally your problem to get from point A to point B
> weather you are using a cane or a dog.  That can't be said if you are going
> sighted guide.
> Bill Kociaba
> CRUISEONE
> Bill at Ycruise.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
> To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
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> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Research Not Survey
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>
>> Hi, Peter,
>>
>> So, just curious, how is using a guide dog any different than going
>> sighted guide? At 09:26 AM 8/10/2012, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>
>>>Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>     Don't forget a frequent cane, guide dog user or none of the above.
>>> This
>>>comes from someone who uses a cane or a guide dog depending on the
>>>travel situation and does not rely on sighted guides including for
>>>participating in athletic activities and considers the lone use of
>>>echolocation taboo! The comments below illustrate the damage
>>>overmoddification of sports for the blind can do. Never mind the
>>>survey. Research in to how the blind participated in competitive
>>>sports prior to overmoddificationitis would be far more valuable.
>>>
>>>Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List"
>>><sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 11:13 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
>>>
>>>
>>>Justin,
>>>good question; why not a survey on this? You could become famous then.
>>>smile.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: JUSTIN LOUCHART
>>>Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 3:57 AM
>>>To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
>>>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I'd find it interesting to see if someone who puts down overusing
>>>adaptations is a frequent sighted guide user, or if they are an active
>>>echolocation user? Humans did in fact evolve to be active and passive
>>>echolocation users, and sighted guide is a cultural adaptation, not an
>>>inherent biological one. My point: If a categorical imperative is in
>>>fact a categorical imperative, it's universally applied.
>>>
>>>Just a thought based on principle, not the flow of conversation...
>>>
>>>Justin
>>>
>>>On 8/10/12, Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >   Hello:
>>> >
>>> > I don't THINK we should try to IMPOSE our views of what works for
>>> > us upon others.
>>> >
>>> > If adaptation helps, use it. if it doesn't, don't use it. It's that
>>> > SIMPLE.
>>> >
>>> > At 09:56 PM 8/9/2012, you wrote:
>>> >>I agree.  I kept proper form when I swam and didn't hit my head.  I
>>> >>did  have to learn proper form.
>>> >>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>[mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> >>jody at thewhitehats.com
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:28 PM
>>> >>To: 'Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List'
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] No AdapTap System Necessary
>>> >>
>>> >>Personally I think there is too much adaptation being done for
>>> >>blind participants.  I even heard of a yoga mat designed for the
>>> >>blind.  Give me  a break.
>>> >>
>>> >>JODY
>>> >>
>>> >>
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