[stylist] learning braille

Tue Nov 17 00:19:44 UTC 2009

yes,
but if you go to Greece, you expect that they're gonna speak Greek.
jc
Jim Canaday M.A.
Lawrence, KS

At 03:58 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>Agreed.  I don't want to speak Spanish, and I don't expect the 
>people of Greece to speak English.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
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>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] learning braille
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>>And there is the rub for all this multiculturalism.  When in Rome, 
>>do as the Romans do.  If you live in The U.S., speak English, learn 
>>our history with its good and bad.  What mostly there is good 
>>because most of the bad we have corrected.
>>Barbara
>>
>>Snow is God's way of reminding us that beauty can be found even in 
>>the coldest hearts.
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:31 AM
>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] learning braille
>>
>>>Barbara, Sign language and braille as options would be fine, just 
>>>don't make them mandatory.  I disagree with Spanish being shoved 
>>>down our throats.  I resent it when a sales person in a store 
>>>can't answer my simple question about merchandise in English.  My 
>>>resentment grows when they point their finger in the direction of 
>>>what I want.  They can point all day, but I still won't find what 
>>>I'm looking for.
>>>Don't many deaf people read lips?  I've communicated with many 
>>>deaf people because they read lips.  People who are blind 
>>>communicate with the spoken word.  This is America.  Our language 
>>>is English.  I can't expect to walk into Greece and expect the 
>>>clerk in the store to speak English.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:02 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] learning braille
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gee, I would agree with you and yet why is it that our children 
>>>>are having Spanish shoved down their throats?
>>>>I think that at the age when foreign language is an option in 
>>>>school, it should be sign language and braille.  (Or at least 
>>>>have them included as options.)  Any foreign language speaker can 
>>>>learn English.  A deaf person will never learn to talk and hear 
>>>>what's said and a blind person will never learn to read print.
>>>>I do understand about that slippery slope and maybe this would be 
>>>>headed down it, I don't know.
>>>>Barbara
>>>>Snow is God's way of reminding us that beauty can be found even 
>>>>in the coldest hearts.
>>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------------------
>>>>From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>>>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:30 AM
>>>>To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Subject: [stylist] learning braille
>>>>
>>>>>Robert and all, I think we are missing the important point 
>>>>>here.  Is our goal to get the entire world to read Braille or 
>>>>>evoke equal respect from society because we are blind?  Here's a 
>>>>>brief example of what I mean by evoking respect even though we are different.
>>>>>
>>>>>My family eats only kosher foods.   For dinner last night I made 
>>>>>meatballs in an Italian sauce.  I used ground beef, tomato sauce 
>>>>>and Italian spices. Now someone might say, "How can you make an 
>>>>>Italian sauce without pork products?"  My religion forbids me 
>>>>>from eating pork products.  Someone of Middle East descent might 
>>>>>say, "How can it have been good if you didn't use cumin?"  I 
>>>>>have a friend who is allergic to tomatoes and has developed her 
>>>>>own sauce for meatballs without using tomato sauce.  All of us 
>>>>>are different and there is no law that all of our eating needs 
>>>>>be met the same way.  Let's take it a bit further.
>>>>>
>>>>>When talking about "how nice" it would be if all children 
>>>>>learned Braille to better understand folks without sight we are 
>>>>>starting a journey down a slippery slope that can be extended in 
>>>>>many dangerous directions.  No, not every one is forced to eat 
>>>>>only kosher foods.  Not everyone should be commanded to eat pork 
>>>>>and not everyone should be forced to live as if they too had an 
>>>>>allergy to certain foods.  We're all different.  Realize that 
>>>>>and respect the right of every individual to be 
>>>>>different.  Everyone should not be required to read Braille, 
>>>>>communicate with their friends via sign language, walk with a 
>>>>>white cane or spend their life in a wheelchair. Yes, there are 
>>>>>people in society who are handicapped, but society has to learn 
>>>>>to respect those things that make them different. If a man in 
>>>>>the grocery store sitting in the wheelchair asks a standing 
>>>>>person to reach for the can on the high shelf they should do it 
>>>>>with a smile on their face.  If a blind person asks where the 
>>>>>rest room is answer him and ask if he can be of further 
>>>>>assistance.  You get the picture.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are those in society who demand that all people subscribe 
>>>>>to their religion.  They claim that if this isn't accomplished 
>>>>>they will kill all people who reject their teachings.  We all 
>>>>>know how these people are referred to.  We reject their premise 
>>>>>that all people are the same and therefore must live the same 
>>>>>way.  We can't "demand" that all first graders learn Braille and 
>>>>>we can't command that a first grade class in the public schools 
>>>>>learn Japanese because one child might be from Japan. Let's keep 
>>>>>excelling in whatever it is we do best and gain the respect and 
>>>>>acceptance of society because we deserve it.  Judith
>>>>>
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