[stylist] addressing audio cues and travel and the such

Bridgit Pollpeter bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Sat Jun 19 04:04:10 UTC 2010


Donna and others,

 

JAWS (for those who use JAWS) pronounces arcing wrong.  It should sound more like arching which is when you tap from side to side when using a cane.  It is a verb created describing the motion which is an arc!  *smile*

 

Bridgit
 
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> 1. NFB files law suits against 4 California law schools (Donna Hill)
> 2. Re: addressing audio cues and travel and the such (Donna Hill)
> 3. useful resource (James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR)
> 4. useful resource (James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR)
> 5. Re: useful resource (James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR)
> 6. Re: useful resource (Donna Hill)
> 7. Re: useful resource (James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR)
> 8. Re: useful resource (BDM)
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> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:10:06 -0400
> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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> National Federation of the Blind Files Suit Against Four California 
> Law Schools 
> <http://thebatchannel.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/national-federation-of-the-blind-files-suit-against-four-california-law-schools/> 
> 
> 
> Posted by rbwatson1 <http://> on June 17, 2010
> 
> * *
> 
> *SAN FRANCISCO, June 9
> PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --- *
> 
> *The National Federation of the Blind (NFB), the nation's oldest and
> largest organization of blind people, and three blind students who
> have applied or
> are considering applying to law school in California-Deepa Goraya,
> Bruce J.
> Sexton, and Claire Stanley-filed an amended lawsuit yesterday
> against the Law School Admissions Council and four California law
> schools for violating
> provisions of the California Disabled Persons Act, the Unruh Civil
> Rights Act, and the Americans with Disabilities Act. *
> 
> *The suit was filed because the law schools require or encourage
> applicants to use a centralized Internet-based application process
> provided by the Law
> School Admissions Council (LSAC) through its Web site (*www.lsac.org
> <http://www.lsac.orgf>*)
> that is inaccessible to blind law school applicants. Blind students
> must
> seek sighted assistance to use the LSAC system. Furthermore, blind
> law school applicants cannot perform other tasks on the LSAC Web
> site, such as
> downloading official study materials for the Law School Admissions Test
> (LSAT) that is required by almost all U.S. law schools. *
> 
> *The four law schools are: University of California Hastings College
> of the Law, Thomas Jefferson School of Law, Whittier Law School, and
> Chapman
> University School of Law. *
> 
> *Blind people access Web sites on computers equipped with screen
> access software that converts what is on the screen into synthesized
> speech or
> Braille. The keyboard is used instead of a mouse to navigate the Web
> site and click on selected links or buttons. *
> 
> *If a Web site is improperly coded, however, blind computer users
> cannot access or interact with the site. The law school applications
> available on
> lsac.org are completely inaccessible to screen readers, requiring blind
> users to resort to sighted assistance in order to complete their law
> school applications. *
> 
> *In addition, the practice tests and preparation materials for the
> LSAT are not available in an electronic format that is accessible to
> blind computer
> users. *
> 
> *Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
> said: "The National Federation of the Blind demands that those who
> control
> admission to the practice of law obey the law. For too long, blind
> people have experienced barriers to entering the legal profession,
> despite a long
> history of success and distinguished service by blind attorneys and
> judges.
> The National Federation of the Blind will not sit quietly while the
> LSAC willfully refuses to provide the same services to blind people
> seeking
> admission to law school that it does to the sighted. *
> 
> *The LSAC is engaging in blatant discrimination against the blind
> and we will
> not stand for it. Since all of the schools named in our amended
> complaint either require or strongly encourage applicants to use the
> inaccessible LSAC
> application system, they too are actively discriminating against blind
> applicants and we will ask the courts to hold them responsible for
> doing so." *
> 
> *The National Federation of the Blind and Ms. Goraya originally
> filed suit against the LSAC for its inaccessible Web site in
> February of 2009. The
> complaint filed yesterday amends that action. *
> 
> *The National Federation of the Blind recently filed complaints with
> the United States Department of Justice against nine other law
> schools across
> the United States that use the LSAC online application system. The
> Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department is investigating
> those complaints.*
> 
> *Plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. Goldstein
> and Mehgan Sidhu of the Baltimore firm Brown, Goldstein, and Levy;
> Laurence W. Paradis, Anna Levine, and Karla Gilbride of the Berkley
> firm Disability Rights Advocates; and Scott C. LaBarre of the Denver
> firm LaBarre Law Offices. *
> 
> 
> About the National Federation of the Blind
> 
> *With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind
> is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind
> people in the
> United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through
> advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
> independence and
> self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field
> today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB
> opened the
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first
> research and training center in the United States for the blind led
> by the blind. *
> 
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> 
> -- 
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> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:23:03 -0400
> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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> Hi Bridget,
> Lots of good nonvisual images here! I don't use a cane much and I'm 
> wondering what arcing your cane means. I'm not familiar with the term.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Read Donna's articles on
> Suite 101:
> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> American Chronicle:
> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
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> www.twitter.com/dewhill
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> 
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> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project 
> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit 
> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
> www.padnfb.org
> 
> 
> 
> Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > 
> >
> > Here is something I wrote up about a travel experience since we have been discussing different methods of independent travel. Perhaps this makes for a good writing prompt. It can be non-fiction or make something up. Think outside the box too. Here is my first attempt. It is based on myself.
> >
> > 
> >
> > A Day for Travel
> > 
> > I stood in the warmth of the entry preparing myself for the icy blast of the February morning. Heat streamed from the vent above me, and I reveled in its embrace! To stall for time, I checked to make sure I was properly bundled, then I lifted the face of my Braille watch and felt the small dots and arrows that indicated the time. It was now or never, I knew, as I took a deep breath and slowly pushed the door open. I felt the instant change in temperature, and my teeth began to chatter. I slid my long white cane forward and found the first step down, then the next, then the final step. The doors faced East, and I heard the crunching and grumbling of the cars that drove along Fourth Street. I turned myself to the right to begin my jaunt around the block.
> > As I stepped with my right foot I tapped the cane to the left attempting to keep it at least in a shoulder width arc. My black high-heels clicked and clacked as my pace grew faster with my rising confidence. My nerves slowed, and I started paying attention to my surroundings, using the alternative techniques I had been learning for the last couple of weeks.
> > As I passed the alley separating the training center from the Wood Smiths Shop, I heard the noise from the far side, and the wind whipped through pushing me to the edge of the curb. My cane slid down the curb, distinguishing the street from the sidewalk, and I knew not to step to the left. As I arced the cane, I found the parking meters that lined the street. I was half way down the street, and I could make out the cars traveling down Grand Avenue up ahead. As I approached the corner, I wrinkled my nose at the grease and dough smell that permeated the air from Domino?s. The air vent leaking the odor clanked in the wind, and I held my breath as I passed through the noxious fumes! I arced my cane wider searching for any objects as I rounded the corner. My cane tapped against the first cement planter and I side stepped it as I continued my journey west. So far so good, I thought to myself.
> > I started listening for the parking garage I knew was coming up and stopped when my cane found the curb. I listened to determine whether any cars were passing through the garage entrance, then I crossed the drive. My cane found the opposite curb, and I stepped up and continued on.
> > At the second corner, I heard the buzzing and tinkering that came from the auto shop. Today the sound was not muffled since the garage door was open, despite the cold. I felt a slight change in the air around me, and the cars rambling along Fifth Street grew subdued as I realized that I had walked into the garage. I stepped back outside and caned nearer the curb to keep my course.
> > I noticed I was moving up an incline and knew I was walking up the ramp to the other side of the parking garage that encompassed most the block. I turned around and lined myself up by paying attention to where the warmth of the sun landed on my head. Even in winter, you can make out the direction of the sun on a bright day, though it is much easier during warmer months!
> > I was once again upon the alley, but I slowed this time as I heard a beeping that grew in intensity as I approached. My cane soon started sliding underneath a vehicle, so I tapped around it to find the sidewalk again and avoid the truck. It must be the mail delivery truck, I thought. I kept my arm in front of and above me, in case I came across a mirror on the truck. A few feet after the truck, I found the stairs that would take me to the back door of the training center, but I was suppose to travel the whole block. I could not wait to be out of the cold and was extremely tempted to cheat! I did not, though!
> > Finally I was at the home stretch and quickened my pace as I was eager to be back in the warmth of the building. About a third of the way down, I moved closer to the building and tapped my cane against the brick side. I was looking for the stairs and found them at last. I held my cane a step ahead of me so I knew when to step then slid my cane along the glass door seeking the handle. I stepped inside, and my body tingled as the heat wave engulfed me.
> > I flexed my numb hands and felt an internal heat as I had a sense of pride over my first outdoor travel lesson without my instructor.
> > 
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> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:12:24 -0500
> From: "James H. \"Jim\" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [stylist] useful resource
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> I've subscribed to the "a phrase a week" newsletter for some time 
> now. don't think have shared it here. below you'll see yesterday's.
> jc
> From: A Phrase A Week <apaw at phrasefinder.co.uk>
> 
> 
> In the nick of time
> 
> Meaning
> 
> Just in time; at the precise moment.
> 
> Origin
> 
> The English language gives us the opportunity to be 'in' many things 
> - <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-doldrums.html>the 
> doldrums, <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-offing.html>the 
> offing, <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-pink.html>the 
> pink; we can even be 
> <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/down-in-the-dumps.html>down in 
> the dumps. With all of these expressions it is pretty easy to see 
> what they refer to, but what or where is the 'nick of time'? It may 
> not be immediately obvious what the nick of time is, but we do know 
> what it means to be in it, i.e. arriving at the last propitious 
> moment. Prior to the 16th century there was another expression used 
> to convey that meaning - 'pudding time'. This relates to the fact 
> that pudding was the dish served first at mediaeval mealtimes. To 
> arrive at pudding time was to arrive at the start of the meal, just 
> in time to eat. Pudding was then a savoury dish - a form of sausage 
> or haggis (see also 
> <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html>the 
> proof is in the pudding). Pudding time is first referred to in print 
> in John Heywood's invaluable glossary A dialogue conteinyng the 
> nomber in effect of all the prouerbes in the Englishe tongue, 1546:
> 
> This geare comth euen in puddyng time ryghtly.
> 
> In the nick of
> time
> That seems a perfectly serviceable idiom, so why did the Tudors 
> change it to 'the nick of time'? The motivation appears to be the 
> desire to express a finer degree of timing than the vague 'around the 
> beginning of the meal'. The nick that was being referred to was a 
> notch or small cut and was synonymous with precision. Such notches 
> were used on 'tally' sticks to measure or keep score.
> 
> Note: the expressions 'keeping score' and 'keeping tally' derive from 
> this and so do 'stocks' and 'shares', which refer to the splitting of 
> such sticks (stocks) along their length and sharing the two matching 
> halves as a record of a deal.
> 
> If someone is now said to be 'in the nick' the English would expect 
> him to be found in prison, the Scots would picture him in the valley 
> between two hills and Australians would imagine him to be naked. To 
> Shakespeare and his contemporaries if someone were 'in (or at, or 
> upon) the (very) nick' they were in the precise place at the precise 
> time. Watches and the strings of musical instruments were adjusted to 
> precise pre-marked nicks to keep them in proper order. Ben Jonson 
> makes a reference to that in the play Pans Anniversary, circa 1637:
> 
> For to these, there is annexed a clock-keeper, a grave person, as 
> Time himself, who is to see that they all keep time to a nick.
> 
> Arthur Golding gave what is likely to be the first example of the use 
> of 'nick' in this context in his translation of Ovid's Metamorphosis, 1565:
> 
> Another thing cleane overthwart there commeth in the nicke:
> The Ladie Semell great with childe by Jove as then was quicke.
> 
> The 'time' in 'the nick of time' is rather superfluous, as nick 
> itself refers to time. The first example of the use of the phrase as 
> we now know it comes in Arthur Day's Festivals, 1615:
> 
> Even in this nicke of time, this very, very instant.
> 
> 
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> From: "James H. \"Jim\" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [stylist] useful resource
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> I've subscribed to the "a phrase a week" newsletter for some time 
> now. don't think have shared it here. below you'll see yesterday's.
> jc
> From: A Phrase A Week <apaw at phrasefinder.co.uk>
> 
> 
> In the nick of time
> 
> Meaning
> 
> Just in time; at the precise moment.
> 
> Origin
> 
> The English language gives us the opportunity to be 'in' many things 
> - <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-doldrums.html>the 
> doldrums, <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-offing.html>the 
> offing, <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-pink.html>the 
> pink; we can even be 
> <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/down-in-the-dumps.html>down in 
> the dumps. With all of these expressions it is pretty easy to see 
> what they refer to, but what or where is the 'nick of time'? It may 
> not be immediately obvious what the nick of time is, but we do know 
> what it means to be in it, i.e. arriving at the last propitious 
> moment. Prior to the 16th century there was another expression used 
> to convey that meaning - 'pudding time'. This relates to the fact 
> that pudding was the dish served first at mediaeval mealtimes. To 
> arrive at pudding time was to arrive at the start of the meal, just 
> in time to eat. Pudding was then a savoury dish - a form of sausage 
> or haggis (see also 
> <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html>the 
> proof is in the pudding). Pudding time is first referred to in print 
> in John Heywood's invaluable glossary A dialogue conteinyng the 
> nomber in effect of all the prouerbes in the Englishe tongue, 1546:
> 
> This geare comth euen in puddyng time ryghtly.
> 
> In the nick of
> time
> That seems a perfectly serviceable idiom, so why did the Tudors 
> change it to 'the nick of time'? The motivation appears to be the 
> desire to express a finer degree of timing than the vague 'around the 
> beginning of the meal'. The nick that was being referred to was a 
> notch or small cut and was synonymous with precision. Such notches 
> were used on 'tally' sticks to measure or keep score.
> 
> Note: the expressions 'keeping score' and 'keeping tally' derive from 
> this and so do 'stocks' and 'shares', which refer to the splitting of 
> such sticks (stocks) along their length and sharing the two matching 
> halves as a record of a deal.
> 
> If someone is now said to be 'in the nick' the English would expect 
> him to be found in prison, the Scots would picture him in the valley 
> between two hills and Australians would imagine him to be naked. To 
> Shakespeare and his contemporaries if someone were 'in (or at, or 
> upon) the (very) nick' they were in the precise place at the precise 
> time. Watches and the strings of musical instruments were adjusted to 
> precise pre-marked nicks to keep them in proper order. Ben Jonson 
> makes a reference to that in the play Pans Anniversary, circa 1637:
> 
> For to these, there is annexed a clock-keeper, a grave person, as 
> Time himself, who is to see that they all keep time to a nick.
> 
> Arthur Golding gave what is likely to be the first example of the use 
> of 'nick' in this context in his translation of Ovid's Metamorphosis, 1565:
> 
> Another thing cleane overthwart there commeth in the nicke:
> The Ladie Semell great with childe by Jove as then was quicke.
> 
> The 'time' in 'the nick of time' is rather superfluous, as nick 
> itself refers to time. The first example of the use of the phrase as 
> we now know it comes in Arthur Day's Festivals, 1615:
> 
> Even in this nicke of time, this very, very instant.
> 
> 
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> apologies for the double post, my e-mail program had a little glitch.
> jc
> 
> At 05:12 PM 6/17/2010, you wrote:
> >I've subscribed to the "a phrase a week" newsletter for some time 
> >now. don't think have shared it here. below you'll see yesterday's.
> >jc
> >From: A Phrase A Week <apaw at phrasefinder.co.uk>
> >
> >
> >In the nick of time
> >
> >Meaning
> >
> >Just in time; at the precise moment.
> >
> >Origin
> >
> >The English language gives us the opportunity to be 'in' many things 
> >- <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-doldrums.html>the 
> >doldrums, <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-offing.html>the 
> >offing, <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-pink.html>the 
> >pink; we can even be 
> ><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/down-in-the-dumps.html>down in 
> >the dumps. With all of these expressions it is pretty easy to see 
> >what they refer to, but what or where is the 'nick of time'? It may 
> >not be immediately obvious what the nick of time is, but we do know 
> >what it means to be in it, i.e. arriving at the last propitious 
> >moment. Prior to the 16th century there was another expression used 
> >to convey that meaning - 'pudding time'. This relates to the fact 
> >that pudding was the dish served first at mediaeval mealtimes. To 
> >arrive at pudding time was to arrive at the start of the meal, just 
> >in time to eat. Pudding was then a savoury dish - a form of sausage 
> >or haggis (see also 
> ><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html>the 
> >proof is in the pudding). Pudding time is first referred to in print 
> >in John Heywood's invaluable glossary A dialogue conteinyng the 
> >nomber in effect of all the prouerbes in the Englishe tongue, 1546:
> >
> >This geare comth euen in puddyng time ryghtly.
> >
> >In the nick of
> >time
> >That seems a perfectly serviceable idiom, so why did the Tudors 
> >change it to 'the nick of time'? The motivation appears to be the 
> >desire to express a finer degree of timing than the vague 'around 
> >the beginning of the meal'. The nick that was being referred to was 
> >a notch or small cut and was synonymous with precision. Such notches 
> >were used on 'tally' sticks to measure or keep score.
> >
> >Note: the expressions 'keeping score' and 'keeping tally' derive 
> >from this and so do 'stocks' and 'shares', which refer to the 
> >splitting of such sticks (stocks) along their length and sharing the 
> >two matching halves as a record of a deal.
> >
> >If someone is now said to be 'in the nick' the English would expect 
> >him to be found in prison, the Scots would picture him in the valley 
> >between two hills and Australians would imagine him to be naked. To 
> >Shakespeare and his contemporaries if someone were 'in (or at, or 
> >upon) the (very) nick' they were in the precise place at the precise 
> >time. Watches and the strings of musical instruments were adjusted 
> >to precise pre-marked nicks to keep them in proper order. Ben Jonson 
> >makes a reference to that in the play Pans Anniversary, circa 1637:
> >
> >For to these, there is annexed a clock-keeper, a grave person, as 
> >Time himself, who is to see that they all keep time to a nick.
> >
> >Arthur Golding gave what is likely to be the first example of the 
> >use of 'nick' in this context in his translation of Ovid's Metamorphosis, 1565:
> >
> >Another thing cleane overthwart there commeth in the nicke:
> >The Ladie Semell great with childe by Jove as then was quicke.
> >
> >The 'time' in 'the nick of time' is rather superfluous, as nick 
> >itself refers to time. The first example of the use of the phrase as 
> >we now know it comes in Arthur Day's Festivals, 1615:
> >
> >Even in this nicke of time, this very, very instant.
> >
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> From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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> Jim, This is excellent! Thanks for sharing. Donna
> 
> Read Donna's articles on
> Suite 101:
> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> American Chronicle:
> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> 
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> 
> James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
> > I've subscribed to the "a phrase a week" newsletter for some time 
> > now. don't think have shared it here. below you'll see yesterday's.
> > jc
> > From: A Phrase A Week <apaw at phrasefinder.co.uk>
> >
> >
> > In the nick of time
> >
> > Meaning
> >
> > Just in time; at the precise moment.
> >
> > Origin
> >
> > The English language gives us the opportunity to be 'in' many things - 
> > <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-doldrums.html>the doldrums, 
> > <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-offing.html>the offing, 
> > <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-pink.html>the pink; we can 
> > even be 
> > <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/down-in-the-dumps.html>down in the 
> > dumps. With all of these expressions it is pretty easy to see what 
> > they refer to, but what or where is the 'nick of time'? It may not be 
> > immediately obvious what the nick of time is, but we do know what it 
> > means to be in it, i.e. arriving at the last propitious moment. Prior 
> > to the 16th century there was another expression used to convey that 
> > meaning - 'pudding time'. This relates to the fact that pudding was 
> > the dish served first at mediaeval mealtimes. To arrive at pudding 
> > time was to arrive at the start of the meal, just in time to eat. 
> > Pudding was then a savoury dish - a form of sausage or haggis (see 
> > also <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html>the 
> > proof is in the pudding). Pudding time is first referred to in print 
> > in John Heywood's invaluable glossary A dialogue conteinyng the nomber 
> > in effect of all the prouerbes in the Englishe tongue, 1546:
> >
> > This geare comth euen in puddyng time ryghtly.
> >
> > In the nick of
> > time
> > That seems a perfectly serviceable idiom, so why did the Tudors change 
> > it to 'the nick of time'? The motivation appears to be the desire to 
> > express a finer degree of timing than the vague 'around the beginning 
> > of the meal'. The nick that was being referred to was a notch or small 
> > cut and was synonymous with precision. Such notches were used on 
> > 'tally' sticks to measure or keep score.
> >
> > Note: the expressions 'keeping score' and 'keeping tally' derive from 
> > this and so do 'stocks' and 'shares', which refer to the splitting of 
> > such sticks (stocks) along their length and sharing the two matching 
> > halves as a record of a deal.
> >
> > If someone is now said to be 'in the nick' the English would expect 
> > him to be found in prison, the Scots would picture him in the valley 
> > between two hills and Australians would imagine him to be naked. To 
> > Shakespeare and his contemporaries if someone were 'in (or at, or 
> > upon) the (very) nick' they were in the precise place at the precise 
> > time. Watches and the strings of musical instruments were adjusted to 
> > precise pre-marked nicks to keep them in proper order. Ben Jonson 
> > makes a reference to that in the play Pans Anniversary, circa 1637:
> >
> > For to these, there is annexed a clock-keeper, a grave person, as Time 
> > himself, who is to see that they all keep time to a nick.
> >
> > Arthur Golding gave what is likely to be the first example of the use 
> > of 'nick' in this context in his translation of Ovid's Metamorphosis, 
> > 1565:
> >
> > Another thing cleane overthwart there commeth in the nicke:
> > The Ladie Semell great with childe by Jove as then was quicke.
> >
> > The 'time' in 'the nick of time' is rather superfluous, as nick itself 
> > refers to time. The first example of the use of the phrase as we now 
> > know it comes in Arthur Day's Festivals, 1615:
> >
> > Even in this nicke of time, this very, very instant.
> >
> >
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> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:57:22 -0500
> From: "James H. \"Jim\" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
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> you're welcome. I certainly appreciate it.
> 
> I am curious which online dictionaries people use, and which thesauri 
> [plural for thesaurus].
> jc
> 
> At 05:51 PM 6/17/2010, you wrote:
> >Jim, This is excellent! Thanks for sharing. Donna
> >
> >Read Donna's articles on
> >Suite 101:
> >www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> >American Chronicle:
> >www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> >
> >Connect with Donna on
> >Twitter:
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> >
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> >
> >Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project Donna is Head of Media 
> >Relations for the nonprofit Performing Arts Division of the National 
> >Federation of the Blind:
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> >
> >
> >James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
> >>I've subscribed to the "a phrase a week" newsletter for some time 
> >>now. don't think have shared it here. below you'll see yesterday's.
> >>jc
> >>From: A Phrase A Week <apaw at phrasefinder.co.uk>
> >>
> >>
> >>In the nick of time
> >>
> >>Meaning
> >>
> >>Just in time; at the precise moment.
> >>
> >>Origin
> >>
> >>The English language gives us the opportunity to be 'in' many 
> >>things - 
> >><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-doldrums.html>the 
> >>doldrums, 
> >><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-offing.html>the offing, 
> >><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-pink.html>the pink; we 
> >>can even be 
> >><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/down-in-the-dumps.html>down in 
> >>the dumps. With all of these expressions it is pretty easy to see 
> >>what they refer to, but what or where is the 'nick of time'? It may 
> >>not be immediately obvious what the nick of time is, but we do know 
> >>what it means to be in it, i.e. arriving at the last propitious 
> >>moment. Prior to the 16th century there was another expression used 
> >>to convey that meaning - 'pudding time'. This relates to the fact 
> >>that pudding was the dish served first at mediaeval mealtimes. To 
> >>arrive at pudding time was to arrive at the start of the meal, just 
> >>in time to eat. Pudding was then a savoury dish - a form of sausage 
> >>or haggis (see also 
> >><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html>the 
> >>proof is in the pudding). Pudding time is first referred to in 
> >>print in John Heywood's invaluable glossary A dialogue conteinyng 
> >>the nomber in effect of all the prouerbes in the Englishe tongue, 1546:
> >>
> >>This geare comth euen in puddyng time ryghtly.
> >>
> >>In the nick of
> >>time
> >>That seems a perfectly serviceable idiom, so why did the Tudors 
> >>change it to 'the nick of time'? The motivation appears to be the 
> >>desire to express a finer degree of timing than the vague 'around 
> >>the beginning of the meal'. The nick that was being referred to was 
> >>a notch or small cut and was synonymous with precision. Such 
> >>notches were used on 'tally' sticks to measure or keep score.
> >>
> >>Note: the expressions 'keeping score' and 'keeping tally' derive 
> >>from this and so do 'stocks' and 'shares', which refer to the 
> >>splitting of such sticks (stocks) along their length and sharing 
> >>the two matching halves as a record of a deal.
> >>
> >>If someone is now said to be 'in the nick' the English would expect 
> >>him to be found in prison, the Scots would picture him in the 
> >>valley between two hills and Australians would imagine him to be 
> >>naked. To Shakespeare and his contemporaries if someone were 'in 
> >>(or at, or upon) the (very) nick' they were in the precise place at 
> >>the precise time. Watches and the strings of musical instruments 
> >>were adjusted to precise pre-marked nicks to keep them in proper 
> >>order. Ben Jonson makes a reference to that in the play Pans 
> >>Anniversary, circa 1637:
> >>
> >>For to these, there is annexed a clock-keeper, a grave person, as 
> >>Time himself, who is to see that they all keep time to a nick.
> >>
> >>Arthur Golding gave what is likely to be the first example of the 
> >>use of 'nick' in this context in his translation of Ovid's Metamorphosis, 1565:
> >>
> >>Another thing cleane overthwart there commeth in the nicke:
> >>The Ladie Semell great with childe by Jove as then was quicke.
> >>
> >>The 'time' in 'the nick of time' is rather superfluous, as nick 
> >>itself refers to time. The first example of the use of the phrase 
> >>as we now know it comes in Arthur Day's Festivals, 1615:
> >>
> >>Even in this nicke of time, this very, very instant.
> >>
> >>
> >>- The PhraseFinder site's new and updated content is notified on 
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> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:03:29 -0500
> From: BDM <lists at braddunsemusic.com>
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> James,
> 
> Thanks for the resource. It'll come in handy for songwriting as well :). On 
> my web page I have a listing of songwriting resources, on there, there are 
> some writing reference tools theasauruses, dictionaries, etc. Go to:
> 
> http://www.braddunsemusic.com/links.html
> 
> There might be something of use. If you have any others please let me know 
> and I'll add them to my list like I've done the phrase one you just sent.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Brad
> 
> At 11:57 PM 6/17/2010, you wrote:
> >you're welcome. I certainly appreciate it.
> >
> >I am curious which online dictionaries people use, and which thesauri 
> >[plural for thesaurus].
> >jc
> >
> >At 05:51 PM 6/17/2010, you wrote:
> >>Jim, This is excellent! Thanks for sharing. Donna
> >>
> >>Read Donna's articles on
> >>Suite 101:
> >>www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
> >>American Chronicle:
> >>www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
> >>
> >>Connect with Donna on
> >>Twitter:
> >>www.twitter.com/dewhill
> >>LinkedIn:
> >>www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
> >>FaceBook:
> >>www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
> >>
> >>Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
> >>cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
> >>Apple I-Tunes
> >>phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=259244374
> >>
> >>Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project Donna is Head of Media 
> >>Relations for the nonprofit Performing Arts Division of the National 
> >>Federation of the Blind:
> >>www.padnfb.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR wrote:
> >>>I've subscribed to the "a phrase a week" newsletter for some time 
> >>>now. don't think have shared it here. below you'll see yesterday's.
> >>>jc
> >>>From: A Phrase A Week <apaw at phrasefinder.co.uk>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In the nick of time
> >>>
> >>>Meaning
> >>>
> >>>Just in time; at the precise moment.
> >>>
> >>>Origin
> >>>
> >>>The English language gives us the opportunity to be 'in' many things - 
> >>><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-doldrums.html>the doldrums, 
> >>><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-offing.html>the offing, 
> >>><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/in-the-pink.html>the pink; we can 
> >>>even be <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/down-in-the-dumps.html>down 
> >>>in the dumps. With all of these expressions it is pretty easy to see 
> >>>what they refer to, but what or where is the 'nick of time'? It may not 
> >>>be immediately obvious what the nick of time is, but we do know what it 
> >>>means to be in it, i.e. arriving at the last propitious moment. Prior to 
> >>>the 16th century there was another expression used to convey that 
> >>>meaning - 'pudding time'. This relates to the fact that pudding was the 
> >>>dish served first at mediaeval mealtimes. To arrive at pudding time was 
> >>>to arrive at the start of the meal, just in time to eat. Pudding was 
> >>>then a savoury dish - a form of sausage or haggis (see also 
> >>><http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html>the proof 
> >>>is in the pudding). Pudding time is first referred to in print in John 
> >>>Heywood's invaluable glossary A dialogue conteinyng the nomber in effect 
> >>>of all the prouerbes in the Englishe tongue, 1546:
> >>>
> >>>This geare comth euen in puddyng time ryghtly.
> >>>
> >>>In the nick of
> >>>time
> >>>That seems a perfectly serviceable idiom, so why did the Tudors change 
> >>>it to 'the nick of time'? The motivation appears to be the desire to 
> >>>express a finer degree of timing than the vague 'around the beginning of 
> >>>the meal'. The nick that was being referred to was a notch or small cut 
> >>>and was synonymous with precision. Such notches were used on 'tally' 
> >>>sticks to measure or keep score.
> >>>
> >>>Note: the expressions 'keeping score' and 'keeping tally' derive from 
> >>>this and so do 'stocks' and 'shares', which refer to the splitting of 
> >>>such sticks (stocks) along their length and sharing the two matching 
> >>>halves as a record of a deal.
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> >>>If someone is now said to be 'in the nick' the English would expect him 
> >>>to be found in prison, the Scots would picture him in the valley between 
> >>>two hills and Australians would imagine him to be naked. To Shakespeare 
> >>>and his contemporaries if someone were 'in (or at, or upon) the (very) 
> >>>nick' they were in the precise place at the precise time. Watches and 
> >>>the strings of musical instruments were adjusted to precise pre-marked 
> >>>nicks to keep them in proper order. Ben Jonson makes a reference to that 
> >>>in the play Pans Anniversary, circa 1637:
> >>>
> >>>For to these, there is annexed a clock-keeper, a grave person, as Time 
> >>>himself, who is to see that they all keep time to a nick.
> >>>
> >>>Arthur Golding gave what is likely to be the first example of the use of 
> >>>'nick' in this context in his translation of Ovid's Metamorphosis, 1565:
> >>>
> >>>Another thing cleane overthwart there commeth in the nicke:
> >>>The Ladie Semell great with childe by Jove as then was quicke.
> >>>
> >>>The 'time' in 'the nick of time' is rather superfluous, as nick itself 
> >>>refers to time. The first example of the use of the phrase as we now 
> >>>know it comes in Arthur Day's Festivals, 1615:
> >>>
> >>>Even in this nicke of time, this very, very instant.
> >>>
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