[stylist] Hood exercise
Bridgit Pollpeter
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Thu Jan 6 03:23:35 UTC 2011
Judith,
Since there has been an ongoing dialogue about hoods and hoodlums, I
prompted the list to construct a short writing with these words/concepts
in mind.
Bridgit
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1. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3 (Donna Hill)
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3. Hello from New Slate & Style Editor (Bridgit Pollpeter)
4. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3 (Kerry Thompson)
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8. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 5 (Kerry Thompson)
9. Re: Hoody bit (Brad Dunse)
10. Re: heart thingies, thanks (Ashley Bramlett)
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13. Re: Hoods & Hoodlums (Ashley Bramlett)
14. Re: Hoods and Hoodlums- writing exercise? (Ashley Bramlett)
15. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3 (Donna Hill)
16. Re: editing question (James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR)
17. Re: Hoods & Hoodlums (Judith Bron)
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19. Latest Edition of my e-newsletter (cheryl echevarria)
20. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7 (Kerry Thompson)
21. Hood exercise (Bridgit Pollpeter)
22. Re: Hood exercise (Judith Bron)
23. Re: Hoods & Hoodlums (James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR)
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:04:41 -0500
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Agreed, Judith, but now what? How do we get them to see the truth? If
people are correct that the root is fear, then what works against that?
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On 1/5/2011 4:40 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> Donna and Carry, Yes, the numbers of dead and wounded in Viet Nam was
> staggering, but we have to be focused that even though they are from
> an all volunteer armed forces, they are still our family and friends.
> When I worked for the Independent Living Center I proposed a program
> for the newly handicapped that would encompass the vets returning home
> permanantly disabled. I was met with negaticves all the way up the
> line. The truth is people don't want to understand the handicapped.
> It's a lot easier for them to stereotype and think of themselves as
> mightier than you and I because they aren't blind, deaf or travelling
> in a wheelchair. Here's a funny anecdote, but you'll see the irony:
> I was at a wedding recently. I was speaking to my friend next to me
> about recipes since both of us are on low carb. I told her about a
> recipe that I do with eggplant, zucchini, olive oil and grated
> cheese. A woman across the table asked me for the recipe again, she
> wanted to try it. A few minutes later I needed to use the lady's room
> so got up and unfolded my cane. My friend told me later, "She was
> astounded! You didn't sound handicapped!"
> How does blind sound? How does deaf stand out in a crowd? How does
> whealchair travel sound? Friends, after all these years, all this
> progress and our ever increased abilities, the world is not ready to
> accept us as equal citizens. Judith
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> Thompson" <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
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>
>> Kerry,
>> True, a higher percentage of wounded vets are now living with severe
>> disabilities, but I think back to Vietnam. The sheer numbers of
>> wounded, killed and disabled were so vastly higher than we have seen
>> in Iraq and Afghanistan that even though a higher percentage are
>> surviving today, there were still many more individuals surviving
>> after Vietnam. Guess I'm just saying I don't hold out much hope for
>> this to make a difference, especially since we now have an all
>> volunteer armed forces and it's easier for people to turn away from
>> the problems because they don't have the universal concern that it
>> could be their loved ones.
>> Donna
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> On 1/5/2011 3:19 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>>> Donna,
>>>
>>> Free associating a bit here: There have always been wounded i.e.
>>> disabled veterans. But, with so many more wounded, with such
>>> horrific injuries, surviving from Iraq and Afghanistan, coupled with
>>> the fact that so many of them are so young,maybe the wall between
>>> able bodied and disabled will finally start to crumble. These kids
>>> are going to need serious care and serious societal change for many
>>> years to come. Of course, it's already been ten years. How much
>>> longer, how many more ordinary kids turned into desperately disabled
>>> citizens is it going to take before the able bodied get the message
>>> that, to paraphrase Pogo, they have met the disabled and they are
us?
>>>
>>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> On 1/4/2011 8:56 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
>>>> Hi Kerry,
>>>> Thanks for the Damaris link. I know in high school, her teachers
>>>> still called her Damari. If I can find her, I'll use whatever
>>>> spelling she uses. If not, it'll stay Damari. Thanks for the
>>>> liberating comments about using whatever one I like.
>>>>
>>>> As far as Braille and literacy ... I think one of the understated
>>>> issues with Braille literacy is that society is undergoing a
>>>> blurring of standards for literacy in general, which is a shame. I
>>>> really don't think people get that audio learning isn't the same as
>>>> Braille or print. When I do radio interviews, I do often ask a
>>>> sighted host how they would feel if their child came home with the
>>>> happy news that he/she no longer needed to study reading, because
>>>> the teacher thinks they're such a good listener. Of course, it
>>>> isn't OK for sighted children to just listen, when you put it to
>>>> them that way.
>>>>
>>>> As to your comments about the fact that literacy for all should be
>>>> the goal and we aren't second class ... I think that this is what
>>>> Shawn was talking about when he mentioned that we need to make
>>>> blindness and how we cope with it relevant to the general public.
>>>> To most people, blind people are not equal. I say this not merely
>>>> out of experience and observation but because it is what pollsters
>>>> learn when they canvass non-disabled Americans on their beliefs
>>>> about people with disabilities. The report I often cite from the
>>>> early '90s says the general public views people with disabilities
>>>> as "fundamentally different from the rest of the population." I
>>>> don't think there's any other way to frame that other than by
>>>> saying that we are in the minds of our fellow Americans second
>>>> class. It always reminds me of the movie "Children of a Lesser God"
>>>> which dealt withdeafness.
>>>>
>>>> In order to get John & Jane Q. Public to understand the injustice
>>>> of only 10% of blind children being literate or over 70% of blind
>>>> adults being unemployed, we have to first convince them that we
>>>> are part of them, and that there's no reason they have to carry us
>>>> on their backs. All too often the success stories of blind people
>>>> are presented and viewed as isolated instances of inspiring
>>>> individuals who surmounted insurmountable obstacles to get
>>>> somewhere that can't really be expected of blind people in general.
>>>> The fact that others could achieve if they had the tools, training
>>>> and the attitude of these few isn't discussed. I think the public
>>>> likes to have the occasional blind hero to give them a warm and
>>>> fuzzy feeling. There wouldn't be as much of that, if we were
>>>> expected to achieve like everyone else.
>>>>
>>>> I think your points about working for equality like other
>>>> minorities is right on. It's a civil rights issue based on fear and
>>>> prejudice. I don't think the public gets that either. They think we
>>>> are here to be taken care of and to remind them of how good they
>>>> have it because they can see.
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2011 5:18 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> Donna, maybe the problem, the barrier, is the emphasis on
>>>>> "braille." The emphasis needs to be on "reading," however the
>>>>> individual approaches reading. It sticks in my mind that only ten
>>>>> per cent of blind children are taught to read braille, i.e. the
>>>>> method of reading appropriate to them. Only ten percent! How would
>>>>> society at large react if, say, only ten per cent of black
>>>>> children were taught to read, or ten per cent of Jewish children,
>>>>> or ten per cent of children from Idaho? It's a question of human
>>>>> rights. All American children should be taught to read. Someof
>>>>> them need an alternative method to print. So what? The method
>>>>> isn't (or shouldn't be) the issue. The issue should be literacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I realize the above sounds naive and utopian. But, I truly
>>>>> believe it should be the goal. I mean, the phrase "separate but
>>>>> equal" comes to mind whenever I hear people talk about braille
>>>>> literacy. Literacy is the goal, full literacy of the entire U.S.
>>>>> population. For most that will mean print literacy, for some,
>>>>> braille literacy. But, the two really can't be separated. To read
>>>>> is to read, whether with the eyes or with the fingers. The false
>>>>> dichotomy of literacy and braille literacy needs to be removed,
>>>>> both in our own minds and in themind of John Q. Public.
>>>>>
>>>>> That reminds me. Did Congress ever do anything about the shameful
>>>>> lack of accessible textbooks for blind schoolchildren? Again, it
>>>>> seems to me the emphasis needs to be, not on the difference, books
>>>>> in braille, but on the colossal injustice ofany American
>>>>> schoolchild being denied access to schoolbooks. Again, how would
>>>>> it be if it were some other group being denied access to schooling
>>>>> or to the necessary books? It wouldn't wash. We have to present
>>>>> our needs the way Civil Rights and Women's Rights campaigners
>>>>> presented needs, not as special concessions or favors we're asking
>>>>> for, but as matters of right, of justice.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a time when printed books were very rare and valuable.
>>>>> Now, you can pick up a mass market paperback for five or six
>>>>> bucks. Braille books are just the same. Now they are dear, but as
>>>>> demand grows with the increasing literacy of the blind population,
>>>>> prices will come down. That's simple demand and supply. As demand
>>>>> grows, supply also grows and prices fall. Again, we all, blind and
>>>>> sighted alike, have to stop regarding braille as a specialty item.
>>>>> It's no different from print.
>>>>>
>>>>> I donno. I just get so frustrated and angry at the conditions we
>>>>> have to accept, conditions no other minority group would put up
>>>>> with. We're not subhuman. We're citizens just like anybody else,
>>>>> and we should have the same rights and expectations...
>>>>>
>>>>> End of rant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, so glad Lynda is on the mend, if slowly. Continuing prayers
>>>>> and heart thingies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith, For some reason, I always thought "thingy" was chiefly
>>>>> British. I've always liked it. Yes, it's a very useful word. It's
>>>>> strange about the pronunciation. Window-eyes pronounces the
>>>>> singular with the hard g sound but the plural with the soft g.
>>>>> Just one of those oddnesses we have to get used to, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith, yeah, but it's a generic British just like the generic
>>>>> American. I imagine British JAWS users get just as frustrated with
>>>>> pronunciation as we do. And, how about the Canadians?
>>>>>
>>>>> Donna, I know there's a girl's name Damaris. The way I've heard it
>>>>> pronounced is with the stress on the second syllable. Here's the
>>>>> page from Behind the Name:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.behindthename.com/name/damaris
>>>>>
>>>>> Behind the Name does not have a listing for Damari. It sounds like
>>>>> a diminutive to me, probably for Damaris or possibly a nursery
>>>>> name derived from Rosemarie or Rosemary.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing is, with a rare or even made up name, you can spell it
>>>>> any old way you like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, it's funny you should think the same thing about damari and
>>>>> Damaris. Great minds...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure "hood" is out of date even now to mean hoodlum etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion, what race was "hoodlum" supposed to be targeting? Sheesh!
>>>>> Now, I can see "hooligan" being construed as anti-Irish, maybe,
>>>>> but "hoodlum?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:06:29 -0500
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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But, how can a literate and thinking society justify high-powered
corporate executives getting more money than an entire school district
full of teachers?
Donna
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On 1/5/2011 4:43 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> Carry, Since the unions are taking so much of our hard earned money
> away every week, I only ask that they do their job as people endowed
> with a sacred trust, our children. If they can't perform their duties
> to the highest standards, let the union boss, the head of the Board of
> Education or the school principal fire them and try again with a
> person more committed to creating a literate and thinking society.
> Judith
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:19 PM
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> Hi Friends,
>
> Congratulations, Bridgit. Good luck in your new endeavor!
>
> Judith, while not wanting to demonize the unions, I agree that
> concentrating on educating children and preparing them to be
productive,
> well-informed citizens needs to be the goal.
>
> I also agree with something Donna said earlier, something that has
been
> bothering me for some time in fact. That is the lessening or diluting
of
> literacy in the general public. I myself have spent most of my life
> reading by listening, and the method has served me well. Still, I?d be
> the first to point out that a great deal is missed when the reader
> doesn?t have direct contact, interaction with the words on the page.
But
> even among sighted children the trend seems to be to switch to
> listening. Maybe this is the SF writer in me taking over, but,
> extrapolating the trend, I can foresee a time when there will again be
> literate classes, in this case writers and actors, and unlettered
> classes, everybody else. That?s certainly not a world I want to live
in.
>
> Brad, LOL
>
> Solidarity and Peace,
> Kerry
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:17:08 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Hello from New Slate & Style Editor
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Hello everyone,
I hope the New Year finds us eager to enjoy what 2011 will bring us. I
am honored and excited to be appointed the new editor-in-chief for The
Slate & Style. With your support and help, I hope to produce a quality
and professional publication.
I am from Omaha, Nebraska and recently celebrated my fith wedding
anniversary with my husband, Ross. I am a senior at the University of
Nebraska in Omaha , and I will graduate this year with a BFA in creative
writing. My emphasis is in creative nonfiction, but I have also
followed the fiction tract as well in the program. I have been the
editor-in-chief for the Nebraska Independent, a Nebraska affiliate
newsletter, for two years now. I also write a bi-weekly blog for Live
Well Nebraska, an Omaha World Herald website. I am currently working on
a full length manuscript for both creative nonfiction and fiction.
We are attempting to give the Slate and Style a facelift--incorporating
the foundations of the publication with a fresh perspective. I would
like to see a mix of literature pieces along with pieces that address
writing--technical aspects, style and structure, genre--essentially the
"how-tos" of writing.
I hope to gather a core of consistent contributors as well as assistant
editors dedicated to producing the best publication we can. Many of us
have a lot to offer, and if we combine our efforts, I know we can
generate a publication that extends beyond the division and the
Federation.
We are specifically looking for the following at this point:
We require a poetry editor who is knowledgeable on style and form.
Those interested must possess an understanding of grammar, but also an
understanding of the structure of poetry.
We will also require at least one assistant editor to help with the
editing process. Those interested must possess an understanding of
grammar and style.
We will also require a layout editor to assist with the structure and
design of the publication.
And of course, we will require your submissions! All submissions are
welcome and will be considered for publication. Suggestions and
comments are encouraged as well.
The Slate & Style is the face of the Writer's Division and the Stylist
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and edit your own material before sending. Our collective voice has
much to say, and I hope to strengthen that voice.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:20:28 -0500
From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
To: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Donna, You're right about the lack of a draft making it much easier for
those not connected with the military to turn away. At the same time,
there is much more media coverage of the plight of the wounded and of
their families than I remember during Vietnam. Of course, I was very
young, only eleven, when Vietnam ended, so my memory may not be all that
reliable. Still it is true that the mainstream media run a lot of
stories, and many of them not feel-good success stories, about returning
vets. So, though there isn't the threat that "your" son or daughter,
niece or godson will be drafted, still anyone who watches network news
knows what's going on.
Also, lack of a draft doesn't necessarily mean lack of contact. In my
own limited circle of friends, my best friend's sister had multiple
deployments to Iraq and another friend's sister is a nurse who has
served in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Guess I don't really have a point except to hope that, this time, some
good will come to our society of all the suffering.
Solidarity and Peace,
Kerry
On 1/5/2011 4:10 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
> Kerry,
> True, a higher percentage of wounded vets are now living with severe
> disabilities, but I think back to Vietnam. The sheer numbers of
> wounded, killed and disabled were so vastly higher than we have seen
> in Iraq and Afghanistan that even though a higher percentage are
> surviving today, there were still many more individuals surviving
> after Vietnam. Guess I'm just saying I don't hold out much hope for
> this to make a difference, especially since we now have an all
> volunteer armed forces and it's easier for people to turn away from
> the problems because they don't have the universal concern that it
> could be their loved ones.
> Donna
>
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>
> On 1/5/2011 3:19 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>> Donna,
>>
>> Free associating a bit here: There have always been wounded i.e.
>> disabled veterans. But, with so many more wounded, with such horrific
>> injuries, surviving from Iraq and Afghanistan, coupled with the fact
>> that so many of them are so young,maybe the wall between able bodied
>> and disabled will finally start to crumble. These kids are going to
>> need serious care and serious societal change for many years to come.
>> Of course, it's already been ten years. How much longer, how many
>> more ordinary kids turned into desperately disabled citizens is it
>> going to take before the able bodied get the message that, to
>> paraphrase Pogo, they have met the disabled and they are us?
>>
>> Solidarity and Peace,
>> Kerry
>>
>> On 1/4/2011 8:56 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
>>> Hi Kerry,
>>> Thanks for the Damaris link. I know in high school, her teachers
>>> still called her Damari. If I can find her, I'll use whatever
>>> spelling she uses. If not, it'll stay Damari. Thanks for the
>>> liberating comments about using whatever one I like.
>>>
>>> As far as Braille and literacy ... I think one of the understated
>>> issues with Braille literacy is that society is undergoing a
>>> blurring of standards for literacy in general, which is a shame. I
>>> really don't think people get that audio learning isn't the same as
>>> Braille or print. When I do radio interviews, I do often ask a
>>> sighted host how they would feel if their child came home with the
>>> happy news that he/she no longer needed to study reading, because
>>> the teacher thinks they're such a good listener. Of course, it isn't
>>> OK for sighted children to just listen, when you put it to them that
>>> way.
>>>
>>> As to your comments about the fact that literacy for all should be
>>> the goal and we aren't second class ... I think that this is what
>>> Shawn was talking about when he mentioned that we need to make
>>> blindness and how we cope with it relevant to the general public. To
>>> most people, blind people are not equal. I say this not merely out
>>> of experience and observation but because it is what pollsters learn
>>> when they canvass non-disabled Americans on their beliefs about
>>> people with disabilities. The report I often cite from the early
>>> '90s says the general public views people with disabilities as
>>> "fundamentally different from the rest of the population." I don't
>>> think there's any other way to frame that other than by saying that
>>> we are in the minds of our fellow Americans second class. It always
>>> reminds me of the movie "Children of a Lesser God" which dealt
>>> withdeafness.
>>>
>>> In order to get John & Jane Q. Public to understand the injustice of
>>> only 10% of blind children being literate or over 70% of blind
>>> adults being unemployed, we have to first convince them that we are
>>> part of them, and that there's no reason they have to carry us on
>>> their backs. All too often the success stories of blind people are
>>> presented and viewed as isolated instances of inspiring individuals
>>> who surmounted insurmountable obstacles to get somewhere that can't
>>> really be expected of blind people in general. The fact that others
>>> could achieve if they had the tools, training and the attitude of
>>> these few isn't discussed. I think the public likes to have the
>>> occasional blind hero to give them a warm and fuzzy feeling. There
>>> wouldn't be as much of that, if we were expected to achieve like
>>> everyone else.
>>>
>>> I think your points about working for equality like other minorities
>>> is right on. It's a civil rights issue based on fear and prejudice.
>>> I don't think the public gets that either. They think we are here to
>>> be taken care of and to remind them of how good they have it because
>>> they can see.
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/4/2011 5:18 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>
>>>> Donna, maybe the problem, the barrier, is the emphasis on
>>>> "braille." The emphasis needs to be on "reading," however the
>>>> individual approaches reading. It sticks in my mind that only ten
>>>> per cent of blind children are taught to read braille, i.e. the
>>>> method of reading appropriate to them. Only ten percent! How would
>>>> society at large react if, say, only ten per cent of black children
>>>> were taught to read, or ten per cent of Jewish children, or ten per
>>>> cent of children from Idaho? It's a question of human rights. All
>>>> American children should be taught to read. Someof them need an
>>>> alternative method to print. So what? The method isn't (or
>>>> shouldn't be) the issue. The issue should be literacy.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I realize the above sounds naive and utopian. But, I truly
>>>> believe it should be the goal. I mean, the phrase "separate but
>>>> equal" comes to mind whenever I hear people talk about braille
>>>> literacy. Literacy is the goal, full literacy of the entire U.S.
>>>> population. For most that will mean print literacy, for some,
>>>> braille literacy. But, the two really can't be separated. To read
>>>> is to read, whether with the eyes or with the fingers. The false
>>>> dichotomy of literacy and braille literacy needs to be removed,
>>>> both in our own minds and in themind of John Q. Public.
>>>>
>>>> That reminds me. Did Congress ever do anything about the shameful
>>>> lack of accessible textbooks for blind schoolchildren? Again, it
>>>> seems to me the emphasis needs to be, not on the difference, books
>>>> in braille, but on the colossal injustice ofany American
>>>> schoolchild being denied access to schoolbooks. Again, how would it
>>>> be if it were some other group being denied access to schooling or
>>>> to the necessary books? It wouldn't wash. We have to present our
>>>> needs the way Civil Rights and Women's Rights campaigners presented
>>>> needs, not as special concessions or favors we're asking for, but
>>>> as matters of right, of justice.
>>>>
>>>> There was a time when printed books were very rare and valuable.
>>>> Now, you can pick up a mass market paperback for five or six bucks.
>>>> Braille books are just the same. Now they are dear, but as demand
>>>> grows with the increasing literacy of the blind population, prices
>>>> will come down. That's simple demand and supply. As demand grows,
>>>> supply also grows and prices fall. Again, we all, blind and sighted
>>>> alike, have to stop regarding braille as a specialty item. It's no
>>>> different from print.
>>>>
>>>> I donno. I just get so frustrated and angry at the conditions we
>>>> have to accept, conditions no other minority group would put up
>>>> with. We're not subhuman. We're citizens just like anybody else,
>>>> and we should have the same rights and expectations...
>>>>
>>>> End of rant.
>>>>
>>>> Jim, so glad Lynda is on the mend, if slowly. Continuing prayers
>>>> and heart thingies.
>>>>
>>>> Judith, For some reason, I always thought "thingy" was chiefly
>>>> British. I've always liked it. Yes, it's a very useful word. It's
>>>> strange about the pronunciation. Window-eyes pronounces the
>>>> singular with the hard g sound but the plural with the soft g. Just
>>>> one of those oddnesses we have to get used to, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Judith, yeah, but it's a generic British just like the generic
>>>> American. I imagine British JAWS users get just as frustrated with
>>>> pronunciation as we do. And, how about the Canadians?
>>>>
>>>> Donna, I know there's a girl's name Damaris. The way I've heard it
>>>> pronounced is with the stress on the second syllable. Here's the
>>>> page from Behind the Name:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.behindthename.com/name/damaris
>>>>
>>>> Behind the Name does not have a listing for Damari. It sounds like
>>>> a diminutive to me, probably for Damaris or possibly a nursery name
>>>> derived from Rosemarie or Rosemary.
>>>>
>>>> The thing is, with a rare or even made up name, you can spell it
>>>> any old way you like.
>>>>
>>>> Jim, it's funny you should think the same thing about damari and
>>>> Damaris. Great minds...
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure "hood" is out of date even now to mean hoodlum etc.
>>>>
>>>> Marion, what race was "hoodlum" supposed to be targeting? Sheesh!
>>>> Now, I can see "hooligan" being construed as anti-Irish, maybe, but
>>>> "hoodlum?"
>>>>
>>>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>>>
>>>> Kerry
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:25:30 EST
From: KajunCutie926 at aol.com
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Congratulations again Bridget! What an excellent choice in appointing
you! I see where you'd like to take Slate & Style and I am
applauding....
I'm still working on figuring out what creative non-fiction is...) One
day I'll get it, I hope!
Congratulations again...
Myrna
In a message dated 1/5/2011 4:18:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bpollpeter at hotmail.com writes:
Hello everyone,
I hope the New Year finds us eager to enjoy what 2011 will bring us. I
am honored and excited to be appointed the new editor-in-chief for The
Slate & Style. With your support and help, I hope to produce a quality
and professional publication.
I am from Omaha, Nebraska and recently celebrated my fith wedding
anniversary with my husband, Ross. I am a senior at the University of
Nebraska in Omaha , and I will graduate this year with a BFA in
creative
writing. My emphasis is in creative nonfiction, but I have also
followed the fiction tract as well in the program. I have been the
editor-in-chief for the Nebraska Independent, a Nebraska affiliate
newsletter, for two years now. I also write a bi-weekly blog for Live
Well Nebraska, an Omaha World Herald website. I am currently working
on
a full length manuscript for both creative nonfiction and fiction.
We are attempting to give the Slate and Style a facelift--incorporating
the foundations of the publication with a fresh perspective. I would
like to see a mix of literature pieces along with pieces that address
writing--technical aspects, style and structure, genre--essentially the
"how-tos" of writing.
I hope to gather a core of consistent contributors as well as assistant
editors dedicated to producing the best publication we can. Many of us
have a lot to offer, and if we combine our efforts, I know we can
generate a publication that extends beyond the division and the
Federation.
We are specifically looking for the following at this point:
We require a poetry editor who is knowledgeable on style and form.
Those interested must possess an understanding of grammar, but also an
understanding of the structure of poetry.
We will also require at least one assistant editor to help with the
editing process. Those interested must possess an understanding of
grammar and style.
We will also require a layout editor to assist with the structure and
design of the publication.
And of course, we will require your submissions! All submissions are
welcome and will be considered for publication. Suggestions and
comments are encouraged as well.
The Slate & Style is the face of the Writer's Division and the Stylist
list serve. Articles must reflect our best effort. Please proofread
and edit your own material before sending. Our collective voice has
much to say, and I hope to strengthen that voice.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:15:27 -0500
From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
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Hi friends,
Welcome, Julie!
There is a convention that thoughts are set in italics. Apostrophes or
inverted commas, on the other hand, are for quotes within quotes. Thus,
as I understand it, these rules would work out in practice like this.
/What a drag/, Rick thought. (where what Rick thinks is in italics).
"Hey, Carol," Ida said. "Cissy says 'hi!'" (where what Ida says is in
ordinary, double quotes and what she reports Cissy as saying is in
single quotes or inverted commas).
But, to be certain, check out Strunk and White (that is /The Elements of
Style/) or /The Chicago Manual of Style/, the two universally recognized
authorities onmatters of grammar and style.
As to a recollected dialog, I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps
italicize and enclose in quotes? The problem doesn't often arise,
though, because most often a recollection is of an indirect quote, like
this:
John remembered that Rita said she would meet him in the lobby.
I suppose you could do it with direct quote, like this:
John remembered Rita saying, "I'll meet you in the lobby, darling."
In that case, it seems to me you use ordinary double quotes but no
italics, since it's not the act of remembering that's crucial here but
the scrap of dialogue. But it would be best to check Strunk and White or
Chicago.
Judith, another problem is that Brits and Americans have different
conventions when it comes to quotation marks. If you've used Dickens as
your model, you'll run into a whole lot of flack from any
editor/publisher you submit your book to. Believe me, it's a whole lot
less stressful to conform to American conventions from the start.
Solidarity and Peace,
Kerry
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:23:02 -0500
From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
To: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
Cc: cosmoscat at earthlink.net, Writer's Division Mailing List
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Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 5
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Search me. Are you sure we're a thinking society?
Kerry
On 1/5/2011 5:06 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
> But, how can a literate and thinking society justify high-powered
> corporate executives getting more money than an entire school district
> full of teachers?
> Donna
>
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>
> On 1/5/2011 4:43 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>> Carry, Since the unions are taking so much of our hard earned money
>> away every week, I only ask that they do their job as people endowed
>> with a sacred trust, our children. If they can't perform their
>> duties to the highest standards, let the union boss, the head of the
>> Board of Education or the school principal fire them and try again
>> with a person more committed to creating a literate and thinking
>> society. Judith
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Thompson"
>> <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 5
>>
>>
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> Congratulations, Bridgit. Good luck in your new endeavor!
>>
>> Judith, while not wanting to demonize the unions, I agree that
>> concentrating on educating children and preparing them to be
productive,
>> well-informed citizens needs to be the goal.
>>
>> I also agree with something Donna said earlier, something that has
been
>> bothering me for some time in fact. That is the lessening or diluting
of
>> literacy in the general public. I myself have spent most of my life
>> reading by listening, and the method has served me well. Still, I?d
be
>> the first to point out that a great deal is missed when the reader
>> doesn?t have direct contact, interaction with the words on the page.
But
>> even among sighted children the trend seems to be to switch to
>> listening. Maybe this is the SF writer in me taking over, but,
>> extrapolating the trend, I can foresee a time when there will again
be
>> literate classes, in this case writers and actors, and unlettered
>> classes, everybody else. That?s certainly not a world I want to live
in.
>>
>> Brad, LOL
>>
>> Solidarity and Peace,
>> Kerry
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:28:05 -0500
From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
To: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
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Judith, I don't want to get into the merits and demerits of teachers'
unions. It seems to me there must be a way to safeguard teachers while
at the same time putting children and their learning needs first. But,
I'm not a negotiator, and don't know how to accomplish both goals.
Kerry
On 1/5/2011 4:43 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> Carry, Since the unions are taking so much of our hard earned money
> away every week, I only ask that they do their job as people endowed
> with a sacred trust, our children. If they can't perform their duties
> to the highest standards, let the union boss, the head of the Board of
> Education or the school principal fire them and try again with a
> person more committed to creating a literate and thinking society.
> Judith
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Thompson"
> <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 5
>
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> Congratulations, Bridgit. Good luck in your new endeavor!
>
> Judith, while not wanting to demonize the unions, I agree that
> concentrating on educating children and preparing them to be
productive,
> well-informed citizens needs to be the goal.
>
> I also agree with something Donna said earlier, something that has
been
> bothering me for some time in fact. That is the lessening or diluting
of
> literacy in the general public. I myself have spent most of my life
> reading by listening, and the method has served me well. Still, I?d be
> the first to point out that a great deal is missed when the reader
> doesn?t have direct contact, interaction with the words on the page.
But
> even among sighted children the trend seems to be to switch to
> listening. Maybe this is the SF writer in me taking over, but,
> extrapolating the trend, I can foresee a time when there will again be
> literate classes, in this case writers and actors, and unlettered
> classes, everybody else. That?s certainly not a world I want to live
in.
>
> Brad, LOL
>
> Solidarity and Peace,
> Kerry
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:51:30 -0600
From: Brad Dunse <lists at braddunsemusic.com>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoody bit
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Thanks Donna and all. A day of spreadsheet
configurations yuck. Maybe I'll do a free-for-all
object write later to purge that built up energy :).
Brad
Brad
On 1/5/2011 12:12 PM Donna Hill said...
>Brad, Good job. You are a very creative man.
>Donna
>
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>
>
>On 1/5/2011 9:14 AM, Brad Dunse wrote:
>>for a little self-amusement this morning :)
>>
>>The store manager was new so I suppose you
>>really couldn't blame him. I don't think he had
>>much experience in this sort of thing before,
>>but after an incident such as this, I'm sure
>>he's learned a thing or two. A few of us tried
>>to tell him early on but it was as if he didn't
>>even hear us, or as if he couldn't understand
>>us at all. It was almost like he didn't speak
>>our language. Well, anyway? we didn't push too
>>hard because we had heard he was a bit hot
>>under the collar, though you really would not
>>have thought that by just looking at him. I
>>mean his white pressed short sleeved shirt and
>>bright tan slacks were? hmmm alright. I mean
>>the slacks weren't that dark so they were OK. I
>>mean he couldn't wear white slacks too or he'd
>>look like a doctor or something, you know, too
>>clean and proper. No, the light tan slacks were
>>OK, too dark and well, you know, *spoken in a
>>whisper* the darky slacks? no matter how you
>>try to contrast them? because of their color
>>they just send the wrong message you know.
>>
>>I on the other hand, with my official medium
>>sky blue long sleeves, neatly pressed chest
>>pockets, stiff unwrinkled collar standing proud
>>atop the wide shoulders, sharply contrasted
>>dark blue slacks creased commanding municipal
>>respect being tied off at the waist by a shiny
>>black leather belt, knew this sort of thing
>>happens from time to time. I might have
>>expected it too from the murmuring I thought I heard earlier on in the
evening.
>>
>>I'd say it happened somewhere around 11:00PM,
>>shortly after closing time and all the store
>>personnel had gone home for the night. The
>>place was dark and only the security lights lit
>>certain areas of the store. The dress shirt
>>section was well lit and out in the open, as
>>was the tank tops and plane sweat shirts. Even
>>the wild carefree T-shirts with their brazen
>>multi-colored logos slapped on them like cheap
>>chest tattoos were out in the open. There were
>>others though that were hidden in the shadows
>>of the security lights. If anyone should have
>>been hidden from the light it should really
>>have been the negligees and unmentionables but
>>no, it wasn't that way, not like other stores
>>with? well you see, this is where the store
>>manager? well I'm sure he knows now, but it
>>always has to come to something like this before anything is done
about it.
>>
>>As I said I think it had to be a little after
>>11:00PM, shortly after closing time, maybe
>>11:30PM I'm not really sure. I was standing
>>there quiet-like, the store was all still. And
>>out of the buzzing noise of the scantly
>>illuminating fluorescents, I thought I heard
>>this whispering. At first I wasn't sure but
>>then it seemed to get louder. Sure enough I
>>began to hear these voices and right away I
>>knew what was happening. Their accent and
>>dialect gave them away even in the darkness. As
>>the murmuring grew louder I began to pick out what was being said.
>>
>>"Look at you mon weeth your foncy stripes and
>>pressed coalars... get a load ofe deece guy
>>mon... oh... tsk tsk tsk. Aw. Jew popped a
>>coople boatens. Aw Chus like deece one here, dos a shame mon".
>>
>>I knew right then we had trouble and it wasn't
>>going to be pretty. But what was I to do. The
>>manager had me clipped up on the display wall
>>with arms stretched out like I was being
>>crucified. I'm telling you, I mean I'm not
>>saying? I'm just saying. You know, I think the
>>manager had a lot of missed responsibility
>>here. New or not, well anyway, I could hear
>>things were heating up from another section ...
>>
>>"Hey man look at this feller. he's a thinkin'
>>he's purdy smart wit dat Rayon tag he's a sportin' there. Well I'll
just..."
>>
>>And then I heard this horrible tearing sound. I
>>mean he made off like he was going to rip off
>>just the tag but it sounded like he tore the
>>whole arm off the guy. All this was happening
>>just around the corner where I couldn't quite
>>get a good look at who the trouble makers were,
>>but I knew. Oh, I knew alright. It was easy for
>>the cops to tell too when they finally came in the next morning.
>>
>>But anyway pinned helpless there I heard
>>another scream, I looked and finally I could
>>see something of what was going on just outside
>>of the shadows. It was coming from the negligee section.
>>
>>"Get your hands off me you, you... you... piece of white... help!
Help!"
>>
>>I looked over and it confirmed my suspicion.
>>The upper part of his garment was the tell tale
>>thing but with Lederhosen? I mean that's an odd
>>combination but these trouble makers, they'll
>>wear anything for an identity that draws attention to them.
>>
>>All of a sudden the voices got louder. The
>>trouble makers with there accents and dialects
>>were pushing shoving and ripping everyone off
>>their hangers. You could hear shirts drop to
>>the floor, some in just a protective fetal
>>position, and others because they were yanked
>>off the rack, thrown down and stomped. Screams
>>and torrents of obscenities rang out along with
>>fabric names. Cotton, Rayon, Wool, Polyester
>>Blend, you name it and it was yelled out just
>>before they were beaten or tore to shreds. If
>>attacking them for their textile ethnicity
>>wasn't good enough, the troublemakers began
>>spewing out styles. V-necks, tank tops, button
>>down, short sleeve, long sleeve, no sleeve, it
>>didn't matter they were out to make their mark
>>in the clothing section of the store. cries for
>>help rang out one after another and like I say,
>>there I was pinned against the wall in "nail me
>>to the cross" mode, unable to do anything.
>>
>>Well, by the time the store manager got there
>>in the morning every stitch of clothing was
>>tossed on the floor. Buttons lay randomly in
>>the isles along with ripped off collars,
>>pockets and sleeves. Hangers littered the main
>>isle next to crumpled broken plastic displays
>>and metal tubular hanging racks tipped over. I
>>was lucky enough to have landed face down with
>>the top of my display wall propped up against
>>the feet of the denim shirt's round rack that
>>was in front of me before all this started, so
>>I wasn't crushed. Yes, every stitch of clothing
>>was either tore, had its buttons popped, its
>>buckles wrenched off, or otherwise destroyed.
>>When the humans walked in only one set of
>>garments was left sitting untouched and only
>>slightly misarranged according to size as if
>>they scampered to return to the rack before someone saw.
>>
>>That's when they knew who caused all this
>>trouble. Those troublemakers the hoodys. Its
>>always the hoodys, you can't trust a one of
>>them I tel ya. And it doesn't matter if they
>>have draw straps, are pull overs or zip, have
>>tattoos on their chest like the T-shirts or
>>not. No matter what color, solid or
>>multi-colored, they all were there hanging
>>presuming innocence while the rest of us lay in
>>a shambles on the store manager's pretty little floor.
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:01:18 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
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That's right; jaws can't speak pure english or have accents. Yes the
word
is pronounced like it has a J but its a g.
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
> JC, None of our screen readers speak a pure English, especially with
the
> right accent. Jaws doesn't come in Northeast, South, Midwest and
West.
> But it does come in British. Since I write some words in Hebrew and
our
> CH sound sounds nothing like CH when it appears in a Hebrew word, I'll
> attest to the fact that Mr. Jaws really should become more
international.
> BTW, does Jaws have a version for Chinese and Japanese populations?
> Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>
>
>> interesting about thingy word pronounciation:
>> my jaws and yours too probably pronounces it as a j sound for the g
in
>> thingy. yet we pronounce it with a hard g.
>> thanks judith.
>> jc
>>
>> At 03:35 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>The news about Linda is great! Cellulitis is a bummer. My husband
had
>>>it when our youngest son got married. He enjoyed the wedding with
his
>>>leg up on another chair. I've been using the word thingy since my
kids
>>>were little, and they're not little any more. Their kids are, but I
>>>won't bore you with a grandma email. The word thingy was just
convenient
>>>when something couldn't be identified or it's use was questionable.
For
>>>example, my sons always built "thingys" with their legoes. Welcome
home
>>>Linda, Judith
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR"
>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
>>>Subject: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>>Carrey wrote:
>>>>Sending out prayers and good vibes and such to Jim and his wife.
*heart
>>>>thingies*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Carrey. my wife Lynda came home wednesday night and promptly
got
>>>>very sick. but she stayed home.
>>>>just saturday she could eat solid but soft food.
>>>>she probably is finishing up a cellulitis infection. today is her
first
>>>>day really feeling much better.
>>>>
>>>>thank you for your prayers and concers.
>>>>
>>>>and I have to add that as a blogger one of my favorite words is
>>>>"thingy." since as a blogger I can play with language, grammar,
>>>>spelling, to further communicate my point I oftenspell the plural as
t h
>>>>i n g y s.
>>>>whimsy can be fun in making serious points or pointing out the
problems
>>>>of bad choices by a government.
>>>>jc
>>>>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:08:02 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
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Marion, I agree that was oversensative. That word does not have racial
conotations; at least not that I know. I was not alive in the 50s.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S." <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>; "Writer's
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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
> Hi Marion,
> Overly sensative, indeed! As a '50s kid, I don't remember hoodlum
having
> any racial overtones, and that was in the day when no one kept their
> racial slurs in check. Our neighborhood was all white and we had
hoodlums.
>
> Donna
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> On 1/4/2011 8:37 AM, Marion Gwizdala, M.S. wrote:
>> Recently, one of our school board members used the term "hoodlum"
to
>> describe some of the less than desirable influences in our school
system.
>> There was a public outcry against this individual, claiming it was a
>> racial slur. In my opinion, this was an overly sensitive response!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Bron"
<jbron at optonline.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>
>>
>>> Jim, It wasn't 60 years ago when hoodlums were hoods, but about 45
years
>>> ago. Right through high school there were bunches of guys we called
>>> hoods. They wore sweat shirts, in the winter leather jackets and
looked
>>> mean as bad. Judith
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
N6YR"
>>> <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Donna,
>>>> in our little burg there's been a rash of holdups committed by men
>>>> wearing hoodies, they're getting a negative rap.
>>>> and you know that"hood" as a slang term goes way back. it was
slang
>>>> for hoodlum over sixty years ago.
>>>> good luck on the girl's name. I don't know about that.
>>>> jc
>>>>
>>>> At 07:33 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> On the matter of Jaws pronunciation ... I just "finished" my novel
and
>>>>> there was an instance where I chose a spelling based on Jaws'
>>>>> pronunciation. The word is the one now used for hooded
sweatshirts.
>>>>> According to the web, either h-o-o-d-y or h-o-o-d-i-e are
acceptible.
>>>>> Jaws says hoody and hoodie, so I chose the one ending in 'y.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am still grappling with a similar problem concerning one of my
>>>>> character's names. I knew a girl named Damari many years ago and
named
>>>>> a secondary character after her. My memory -- such as it is -- is
that
>>>>> she spelled her name D-a-m-a-r-i. My husband disagrees, thinking
it
>>>>> was D-a-m-a-r-y. Jaws says Damari and Damary. I like the one
ending in
>>>>> 'i, but that is listed on a site with Hispanic first names as a
boy's
>>>>> name. I've lost touch with her, so haven't had any luck at
tracking
>>>>> down the truth of the matter. Any suggestions?
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/3/2011 7:30 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>>> JC, None of our screen readers speak a pure English, especially
with
>>>>>> the right accent. Jaws doesn't come in Northeast, South, Midwest
and
>>>>>> West. But it does come in British. Since I write some words in
>>>>>> Hebrew and our CH sound sounds nothing like CH when it appears in
a
>>>>>> Hebrew word, I'll attest to the fact that Mr. Jaws really should
>>>>>> become more international. BTW, does Jaws have a version for
Chinese
>>>>>> and Japanese populations? Judith
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
N6YR"
>>>>>> <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 7:12 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interesting about thingy word pronounciation:
>>>>>>> my jaws and yours too probably pronounces it as a j sound for
the g
>>>>>>> in thingy. yet we pronounce it with a hard g.
>>>>>>> thanks judith.
>>>>>>> jc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 03:35 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> The news about Linda is great! Cellulitis is a bummer. My
husband
>>>>>>>> had it when our youngest son got married. He enjoyed the
wedding
>>>>>>>> with his leg up on another chair. I've been using the word
thingy
>>>>>>>> since my kids were little, and they're not little any more.
Their
>>>>>>>> kids are, but I won't bore you with a grandma email. The word
>>>>>>>> thingy was just convenient when something couldn't be
identified or
>>>>>>>> it's use was questionable. For example, my sons always built
>>>>>>>> "thingys" with their legoes. Welcome home Linda, Judith
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>> N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Carrey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sending out prayers and good vibes and such to Jim and his
wife.
>>>>>>>>> *heart thingies*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Carrey. my wife Lynda came home wednesday night and
>>>>>>>>> promptly got very sick. but she stayed home.
>>>>>>>>> just saturday she could eat solid but soft food.
>>>>>>>>> she probably is finishing up a cellulitis infection. today is
her
>>>>>>>>> first day really feeling much better.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thank you for your prayers and concers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and I have to add that as a blogger one of my favorite words
is
>>>>>>>>> "thingy." since as a blogger I can play with language,
grammar,
>>>>>>>>> spelling, to further communicate my point I oftenspell the
plural
>>>>>>>>> as t h i n g y s.
>>>>>>>>> whimsy can be fun in making serious points or pointing out the
>>>>>>>>> problems of bad choices by a government.
>>>>>>>>> jc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:10:15 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
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Woe, this is confusing. Is hoodlum slang?
It does not sound racist. That word was not used in my public schools;
I'm
younger than most of you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
To: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S." <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>; "Writer's
Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
> Now it's gone too far! A Hoodlum is a racial slur? I went to an
eighty
> percent black school. All the hoods in my school were white. Out of
fear
> of being labeled racist, I won't tell you the common nationality of
all
> the hoods. Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S." <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:37 AM
> Subject: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
>
>
>> Recently, one of our school board members used the term "hoodlum"
to
>> describe some of the less than desirable influences in our school
system.
>> There was a public outcry against this individual, claiming it was a
>> racial slur. In my opinion, this was an overly sensitive response!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>
>>
>>> Jim, It wasn't 60 years ago when hoodlums were hoods, but about 45
years
>>> ago. Right through high school there were bunches of guys we called
>>> hoods. They wore sweat shirts, in the winter leather jackets and
looked
>>> mean as bad. Judith
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Donna,
>>>> in our little burg there's been a rash of holdups committed by men
>>>> wearing hoodies, they're getting a negative rap.
>>>> and you know that"hood" as a slang term goes way back. it was
slang
>>>> for hoodlum over sixty years ago.
>>>> good luck on the girl's name. I don't know about that.
>>>> jc
>>>>
>>>> At 07:33 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>On the matter of Jaws pronunciation ... I just "finished" my novel
and
>>>>>there was an instance where I chose a spelling based on Jaws'
>>>>>pronunciation. The word is the one now used for hooded sweatshirts.
>>>>>According to the web, either h-o-o-d-y or h-o-o-d-i-e are
acceptible.
>>>>>Jaws says hoody and hoodie, so I chose the one ending in 'y.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am still grappling with a similar problem concerning one of my
>>>>>character's names. I knew a girl named Damari many years ago and
named
>>>>>a secondary character after her. My memory -- such as it is --
>>>>>is that she spelled her name D-a-m-a-r-i. My husband disagrees,
>>>>>thinking it was D-a-m-a-r-y. Jaws says Damari and Damary. I like
the
>>>>>one ending in 'i, but that is listed on a site with Hispanic first
>>>>>names as a boy's name. I've lost touch with her, so haven't had any
>>>>>luck at tracking down the truth of the matter. Any suggestions?
>>>>>Donna
>>>>>
>>>>>Read Donna's articles on
>>>>>Suite 101:
>>>>>www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
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>>>>>http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
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>>>>>www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>>>>
>>>>>Connect with Donna on
>>>>>Twitter:
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>>>>>LinkedIn:
>>>>>www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>>>>>FaceBook:
>>>>>www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>>>>
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244374
>>>>>
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>>>>>Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>>>Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>>>>www.padnfb.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 1/3/2011 7:30 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>>>JC, None of our screen readers speak a pure English, especially
with
>>>>>>the right accent. Jaws doesn't come in Northeast, South, Midwest
and
>>>>>>West. But it does come in British. Since I write some words in
Hebrew
>>>>>>and our CH sound sounds nothing like CH when it appears in a
Hebrew
>>>>>>word, I'll attest to the fact that Mr. Jaws really should become
more
>>>>>>international. BTW, does Jaws have a version for Chinese and
Japanese
>>>>>>populations? Judith
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
N6YR"
>>>>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 7:12 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>interesting about thingy word pronounciation:
>>>>>>>my jaws and yours too probably pronounces it as a j sound for the
g
>>>>>>>in thingy. yet we pronounce it with a hard g.
>>>>>>>thanks judith.
>>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At 03:35 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>The news about Linda is great! Cellulitis is a bummer. My
husband
>>>>>>>>had it when our youngest son got married. He enjoyed the
wedding
>>>>>>>>with his leg up on another chair. I've been using the word
thingy
>>>>>>>>since my kids were little, and they're not little any more.
Their
>>>>>>>>kids are, but I won't bore you with a grandma email. The word
>>>>>>>>thingy was just convenient when something couldn't be identified
or
>>>>>>>>it's use was questionable. For example, my sons always built
>>>>>>>>"thingys" with their legoes. Welcome home Linda, Judith
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>>N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Carrey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Sending out prayers and good vibes and such to Jim and his
wife.
>>>>>>>>>*heart thingies*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks Carrey. my wife Lynda came home wednesday night and
>>>>>>>>>promptly got very sick. but she stayed home.
>>>>>>>>>just saturday she could eat solid but soft food.
>>>>>>>>>she probably is finishing up a cellulitis infection. today is
her
>>>>>>>>>first day really feeling much better.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>thank you for your prayers and concers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and I have to add that as a blogger one of my favorite words is
>>>>>>>>>"thingy." since as a blogger I can play with language, grammar,
>>>>>>>>>spelling, to further communicate my point I oftenspell the
plural
>>>>>>>>>as t h i n g y s.
>>>>>>>>>whimsy can be fun in making serious points or pointing out the
>>>>>>>>>problems of bad choices by a government.
>>>>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:11:10 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
Message-ID: <83CEAB8D3EAE44ADBFD73E35E3AF4677 at Ashley>
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What was their nationality?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
> Yes Donna, but back then all hoods had a common nationality, at least
in
> Buffalo. Judith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S." <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>; "Writer's
> Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
>
>
>> Hi Marion,
>> Overly sensative, indeed! As a '50s kid, I don't remember hoodlum
having
>> any racial overtones, and that was in the day when no one kept their
>> racial slurs in check. Our neighborhood was all white and we had
>> hoodlums.
>>
>> Donna
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
>> Suite 101:
>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>> Ezine Articles:
>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>> American Chronicle:
>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>
>> Connect with Donna on
>> Twitter:
>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>> LinkedIn:
>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>> FaceBook:
>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>
>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>> Apple I-Tunes
>>
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4
>>
>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> www.padnfb.org
>>
>>
>> On 1/4/2011 8:37 AM, Marion Gwizdala, M.S. wrote:
>>> Recently, one of our school board members used the term "hoodlum"
to
>>> describe some of the less than desirable influences in our school
>>> system. There was a public outcry against this individual, claiming
it
>>> was a racial slur. In my opinion, this was an overly sensitive
response!
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Bron"
<jbron at optonline.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim, It wasn't 60 years ago when hoodlums were hoods, but about 45
>>>> years ago. Right through high school there were bunches of guys we
>>>> called hoods. They wore sweat shirts, in the winter leather jackets
and
>>>> looked mean as bad. Judith
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
N6YR"
>>>> <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:04 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Donna,
>>>>> in our little burg there's been a rash of holdups committed by men
>>>>> wearing hoodies, they're getting a negative rap.
>>>>> and you know that"hood" as a slang term goes way back. it was
slang
>>>>> for hoodlum over sixty years ago.
>>>>> good luck on the girl's name. I don't know about that.
>>>>> jc
>>>>>
>>>>> At 07:33 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>> On the matter of Jaws pronunciation ... I just "finished" my
novel
>>>>>> and there was an instance where I chose a spelling based on Jaws'
>>>>>> pronunciation. The word is the one now used for hooded
sweatshirts.
>>>>>> According to the web, either h-o-o-d-y or h-o-o-d-i-e are
acceptible.
>>>>>> Jaws says hoody and hoodie, so I chose the one ending in 'y.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still grappling with a similar problem concerning one of my
>>>>>> character's names. I knew a girl named Damari many years ago and
>>>>>> named a secondary character after her. My memory -- such as it is
--
>>>>>> is that she spelled her name D-a-m-a-r-i. My husband disagrees,
>>>>>> thinking it was D-a-m-a-r-y. Jaws says Damari and Damary. I like
the
>>>>>> one ending in 'i, but that is listed on a site with Hispanic
first
>>>>>> names as a boy's name. I've lost touch with her, so haven't had
any
>>>>>> luck at tracking down the truth of the matter. Any suggestions?
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read Donna's articles on
>>>>>> Suite 101:
>>>>>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>>>>>> Ezine Articles:
>>>>>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>>>>>> American Chronicle:
>>>>>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Connect with Donna on
>>>>>> Twitter:
>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>>>>>> LinkedIn:
>>>>>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>>>>>> FaceBook:
>>>>>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>>>>>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>>>> Apple I-Tunes
>>>>>>
phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>>>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>>>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/3/2011 7:30 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>>>> JC, None of our screen readers speak a pure English, especially
with
>>>>>>> the right accent. Jaws doesn't come in Northeast, South,
Midwest
>>>>>>> and West. But it does come in British. Since I write some words
in
>>>>>>> Hebrew and our CH sound sounds nothing like CH when it appears
in a
>>>>>>> Hebrew word, I'll attest to the fact that Mr. Jaws really should
>>>>>>> become more international. BTW, does Jaws have a version for
Chinese
>>>>>>> and Japanese populations? Judith
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>> N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 7:12 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> interesting about thingy word pronounciation:
>>>>>>>> my jaws and yours too probably pronounces it as a j sound for
the g
>>>>>>>> in thingy. yet we pronounce it with a hard g.
>>>>>>>> thanks judith.
>>>>>>>> jc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 03:35 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The news about Linda is great! Cellulitis is a bummer. My
>>>>>>>>> husband had it when our youngest son got married. He enjoyed
the
>>>>>>>>> wedding with his leg up on another chair. I've been using the
>>>>>>>>> word thingy since my kids were little, and they're not little
any
>>>>>>>>> more. Their kids are, but I won't bore you with a grandma
email.
>>>>>>>>> The word thingy was just convenient when something couldn't be
>>>>>>>>> identified or it's use was questionable. For example, my sons
>>>>>>>>> always built "thingys" with their legoes. Welcome home Linda,
>>>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday
M.A.
>>>>>>>>> N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carrey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sending out prayers and good vibes and such to Jim and his
wife.
>>>>>>>>>> *heart thingies*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Carrey. my wife Lynda came home wednesday night and
>>>>>>>>>> promptly got very sick. but she stayed home.
>>>>>>>>>> just saturday she could eat solid but soft food.
>>>>>>>>>> she probably is finishing up a cellulitis infection. today
is
>>>>>>>>>> her first day really feeling much better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your prayers and concers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and I have to add that as a blogger one of my favorite words
is
>>>>>>>>>> "thingy." since as a blogger I can play with language,
grammar,
>>>>>>>>>> spelling, to further communicate my point I oftenspell the
plural
>>>>>>>>>> as t h i n g y s.
>>>>>>>>>> whimsy can be fun in making serious points or pointing out
the
>>>>>>>>>> problems of bad choices by a government.
>>>>>>>>>> jc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Writers Division web site:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>>>>>>>>>> for stylist:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:14:23 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods and Hoodlums- writing exercise?
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Bridgit,
Thanks for clearing that up. I did not think it denoted
race.
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> Hey,
>
> Hoodlum, or hood, does not denote race, ethnicity, nationality or even
> gender. For anyone to attach this word to a particular group is
> perpetuating stereotypes.
>
> Anyhow, to utilize this tangent, perhaps we can try writing a short
> scene using this word (or concept) as the impetus. It would be
> interesting to see what we can come up with.
>
> Bridgit P
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:25:31 -0500
From: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
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Kerry,
I hope it does as well.
Donna
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On 1/5/2011 5:20 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
> Donna, You're right about the lack of a draft making it much easier
> for those not connected with the military to turn away. At the same
> time, there is much more media coverage of the plight of the wounded
> and of their families than I remember during Vietnam. Of course, I was
> very young, only eleven, when Vietnam ended, so my memory may not be
> all that reliable. Still it is true that the mainstream media run a
> lot of stories, and many of them not feel-good success stories, about
> returning vets. So, though there isn't the threat that "your" son or
> daughter, niece or godson will be drafted, still anyone who watches
> network news knows what's going on.
>
> Also, lack of a draft doesn't necessarily mean lack of contact. In my
> own limited circle of friends, my best friend's sister had multiple
> deployments to Iraq and another friend's sister is a nurse who has
> served in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
>
> Guess I don't really have a point except to hope that, this time, some
> good will come to our society of all the suffering.
>
> Solidarity and Peace,
> Kerry
>
> On 1/5/2011 4:10 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
>> Kerry,
>> True, a higher percentage of wounded vets are now living with severe
>> disabilities, but I think back to Vietnam. The sheer numbers of
>> wounded, killed and disabled were so vastly higher than we have seen
>> in Iraq and Afghanistan that even though a higher percentage are
>> surviving today, there were still many more individuals surviving
>> after Vietnam. Guess I'm just saying I don't hold out much hope for
>> this to make a difference, especially since we now have an all
>> volunteer armed forces and it's easier for people to turn away from
>> the problems because they don't have the universal concern that it
>> could be their loved ones.
>> Donna
>>
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>> On 1/5/2011 3:19 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>>> Donna,
>>>
>>> Free associating a bit here: There have always been wounded i.e.
>>> disabled veterans. But, with so many more wounded, with such
>>> horrific injuries, surviving from Iraq and Afghanistan, coupled with
>>> the fact that so many of them are so young,maybe the wall between
>>> able bodied and disabled will finally start to crumble. These kids
>>> are going to need serious care and serious societal change for many
>>> years to come. Of course, it's already been ten years. How much
>>> longer, how many more ordinary kids turned into desperately disabled
>>> citizens is it going to take before the able bodied get the message
>>> that, to paraphrase Pogo, they have met the disabled and they are
us?
>>>
>>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> On 1/4/2011 8:56 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
>>>> Hi Kerry,
>>>> Thanks for the Damaris link. I know in high school, her teachers
>>>> still called her Damari. If I can find her, I'll use whatever
>>>> spelling she uses. If not, it'll stay Damari. Thanks for the
>>>> liberating comments about using whatever one I like.
>>>>
>>>> As far as Braille and literacy ... I think one of the understated
>>>> issues with Braille literacy is that society is undergoing a
>>>> blurring of standards for literacy in general, which is a shame. I
>>>> really don't think people get that audio learning isn't the same as
>>>> Braille or print. When I do radio interviews, I do often ask a
>>>> sighted host how they would feel if their child came home with the
>>>> happy news that he/she no longer needed to study reading, because
>>>> the teacher thinks they're such a good listener. Of course, it
>>>> isn't OK for sighted children to just listen, when you put it to
>>>> them that way.
>>>>
>>>> As to your comments about the fact that literacy for all should be
>>>> the goal and we aren't second class ... I think that this is what
>>>> Shawn was talking about when he mentioned that we need to make
>>>> blindness and how we cope with it relevant to the general public.
>>>> To most people, blind people are not equal. I say this not merely
>>>> out of experience and observation but because it is what pollsters
>>>> learn when they canvass non-disabled Americans on their beliefs
>>>> about people with disabilities. The report I often cite from the
>>>> early '90s says the general public views people with disabilities
>>>> as "fundamentally different from the rest of the population." I
>>>> don't think there's any other way to frame that other than by
>>>> saying that we are in the minds of our fellow Americans second
>>>> class. It always reminds me of the movie "Children of a Lesser God"
>>>> which dealt withdeafness.
>>>>
>>>> In order to get John & Jane Q. Public to understand the injustice
>>>> of only 10% of blind children being literate or over 70% of blind
>>>> adults being unemployed, we have to first convince them that we
>>>> are part of them, and that there's no reason they have to carry us
>>>> on their backs. All too often the success stories of blind people
>>>> are presented and viewed as isolated instances of inspiring
>>>> individuals who surmounted insurmountable obstacles to get
>>>> somewhere that can't really be expected of blind people in general.
>>>> The fact that others could achieve if they had the tools, training
>>>> and the attitude of these few isn't discussed. I think the public
>>>> likes to have the occasional blind hero to give them a warm and
>>>> fuzzy feeling. There wouldn't be as much of that, if we were
>>>> expected to achieve like everyone else.
>>>>
>>>> I think your points about working for equality like other
>>>> minorities is right on. It's a civil rights issue based on fear and
>>>> prejudice. I don't think the public gets that either. They think we
>>>> are here to be taken care of and to remind them of how good they
>>>> have it because they can see.
>>>> Donna
>>>>
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>>>> On 1/4/2011 5:18 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> Donna, maybe the problem, the barrier, is the emphasis on
>>>>> "braille." The emphasis needs to be on "reading," however the
>>>>> individual approaches reading. It sticks in my mind that only ten
>>>>> per cent of blind children are taught to read braille, i.e. the
>>>>> method of reading appropriate to them. Only ten percent! How would
>>>>> society at large react if, say, only ten per cent of black
>>>>> children were taught to read, or ten per cent of Jewish children,
>>>>> or ten per cent of children from Idaho? It's a question of human
>>>>> rights. All American children should be taught to read. Someof
>>>>> them need an alternative method to print. So what? The method
>>>>> isn't (or shouldn't be) the issue. The issue should be literacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I realize the above sounds naive and utopian. But, I truly
>>>>> believe it should be the goal. I mean, the phrase "separate but
>>>>> equal" comes to mind whenever I hear people talk about braille
>>>>> literacy. Literacy is the goal, full literacy of the entire U.S.
>>>>> population. For most that will mean print literacy, for some,
>>>>> braille literacy. But, the two really can't be separated. To read
>>>>> is to read, whether with the eyes or with the fingers. The false
>>>>> dichotomy of literacy and braille literacy needs to be removed,
>>>>> both in our own minds and in themind of John Q. Public.
>>>>>
>>>>> That reminds me. Did Congress ever do anything about the shameful
>>>>> lack of accessible textbooks for blind schoolchildren? Again, it
>>>>> seems to me the emphasis needs to be, not on the difference, books
>>>>> in braille, but on the colossal injustice ofany American
>>>>> schoolchild being denied access to schoolbooks. Again, how would
>>>>> it be if it were some other group being denied access to schooling
>>>>> or to the necessary books? It wouldn't wash. We have to present
>>>>> our needs the way Civil Rights and Women's Rights campaigners
>>>>> presented needs, not as special concessions or favors we're asking
>>>>> for, but as matters of right, of justice.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a time when printed books were very rare and valuable.
>>>>> Now, you can pick up a mass market paperback for five or six
>>>>> bucks. Braille books are just the same. Now they are dear, but as
>>>>> demand grows with the increasing literacy of the blind population,
>>>>> prices will come down. That's simple demand and supply. As demand
>>>>> grows, supply also grows and prices fall. Again, we all, blind and
>>>>> sighted alike, have to stop regarding braille as a specialty item.
>>>>> It's no different from print.
>>>>>
>>>>> I donno. I just get so frustrated and angry at the conditions we
>>>>> have to accept, conditions no other minority group would put up
>>>>> with. We're not subhuman. We're citizens just like anybody else,
>>>>> and we should have the same rights and expectations...
>>>>>
>>>>> End of rant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, so glad Lynda is on the mend, if slowly. Continuing prayers
>>>>> and heart thingies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith, For some reason, I always thought "thingy" was chiefly
>>>>> British. I've always liked it. Yes, it's a very useful word. It's
>>>>> strange about the pronunciation. Window-eyes pronounces the
>>>>> singular with the hard g sound but the plural with the soft g.
>>>>> Just one of those oddnesses we have to get used to, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith, yeah, but it's a generic British just like the generic
>>>>> American. I imagine British JAWS users get just as frustrated with
>>>>> pronunciation as we do. And, how about the Canadians?
>>>>>
>>>>> Donna, I know there's a girl's name Damaris. The way I've heard it
>>>>> pronounced is with the stress on the second syllable. Here's the
>>>>> page from Behind the Name:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.behindthename.com/name/damaris
>>>>>
>>>>> Behind the Name does not have a listing for Damari. It sounds like
>>>>> a diminutive to me, probably for Damaris or possibly a nursery
>>>>> name derived from Rosemarie or Rosemary.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing is, with a rare or even made up name, you can spell it
>>>>> any old way you like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, it's funny you should think the same thing about damari and
>>>>> Damaris. Great minds...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure "hood" is out of date even now to mean hoodlum etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion, what race was "hoodlum" supposed to be targeting? Sheesh!
>>>>> Now, I can see "hooligan" being construed as anti-Irish, maybe,
>>>>> but "hoodlum?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:33:44 -0600
From: "James H. \"Jim\" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
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great idea. Shakespeare is still powerful today.King Lear would be
another good item to look at for that.
the www.about.com
website has a huge amount of Shakespeare material online and resources.
jc
At 03:27 PM 1/5/2011, you wrote:
>You know Othello seems to do a lot of solilikwees, and sorry I
>spelled that wrong, I know. One might download it or Hamlet from
>bookshare as I am a little rusty on Shakespeare and hunt for this
>type of speak-aloud in order to find this type of thing in the text.
>Just a thought. Anita
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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>
>>I think there may be instances in which both are necessary. For
>>instance, if the character is thinking (in italics) and recalls
>>something that was said to him/her and that passage is to be
>>included as a direct quote, would you use quotes or apostrophe
>>within the italics?
>>
>>Here's a real mind-nummer. Suppose a character is talking outloud
>>(obviously in standard quotes) and recalls his/her own thought
>>which itself includes a direct quote from someone else. My guess is
>>that you'd have quotes around the whole thing, italics for the
>>whole thought and apostrophes around the recalled direct quote.
>>Donna
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>>On 1/5/2011 2:01 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>Perhaps the apostrophe approach is outdated. Perhaps that style
>>>stopped with Dickens. At any rate, that's how I treated thoughts
>>>or one character quoting another in my book. Judith
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "The Crowd" <the_crowd at cox.net>
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>>>
>>>>You know, I thought it should be ' as well but someone told me
>>>>that was wrong.
>>>>Scratches her head,
>>>>Atty
>>>>
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:35:59 -0500
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>, Writer's
Division
Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
> What was their nationality?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
>
>
>> Yes Donna, but back then all hoods had a common nationality, at least
in
>> Buffalo. Judith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S." <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>; "Writer's
>> Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
>>
>>
>>> Hi Marion,
>>> Overly sensative, indeed! As a '50s kid, I don't remember hoodlum
having
>>> any racial overtones, and that was in the day when no one kept their
>>> racial slurs in check. Our neighborhood was all white and we had
>>> hoodlums.
>>>
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> Read Donna's articles on
>>> Suite 101:
>>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>>> Ezine Articles:
>>> http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>>> American Chronicle:
>>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>>
>>> Connect with Donna on
>>> Twitter:
>>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>>> LinkedIn:
>>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>>> FaceBook:
>>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>>
>>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>> Apple I-Tunes
>>>
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4
>>>
>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/4/2011 8:37 AM, Marion Gwizdala, M.S. wrote:
>>>> Recently, one of our school board members used the term
"hoodlum" to
>>>> describe some of the less than desirable influences in our school
>>>> system. There was a public outcry against this individual, claiming
it
>>>> was a racial slur. In my opinion, this was an overly sensitive
>>>> response!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Bron"
<jbron at optonline.net>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:35 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jim, It wasn't 60 years ago when hoodlums were hoods, but about 45
>>>>> years ago. Right through high school there were bunches of guys
we
>>>>> called hoods. They wore sweat shirts, in the winter leather
jackets
>>>>> and looked mean as bad. Judith
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
N6YR"
>>>>> <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>> in our little burg there's been a rash of holdups committed by
men
>>>>>> wearing hoodies, they're getting a negative rap.
>>>>>> and you know that"hood" as a slang term goes way back. it was
slang
>>>>>> for hoodlum over sixty years ago.
>>>>>> good luck on the girl's name. I don't know about that.
>>>>>> jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 07:33 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>> On the matter of Jaws pronunciation ... I just "finished" my
novel
>>>>>>> and there was an instance where I chose a spelling based on
Jaws'
>>>>>>> pronunciation. The word is the one now used for hooded
sweatshirts.
>>>>>>> According to the web, either h-o-o-d-y or h-o-o-d-i-e are
>>>>>>> acceptible. Jaws says hoody and hoodie, so I chose the one
ending in
>>>>>>> 'y.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am still grappling with a similar problem concerning one of my
>>>>>>> character's names. I knew a girl named Damari many years ago and
>>>>>>> named a secondary character after her. My memory -- such as it
is --
>>>>>>> is that she spelled her name D-a-m-a-r-i. My husband disagrees,
>>>>>>> thinking it was D-a-m-a-r-y. Jaws says Damari and Damary. I like
the
>>>>>>> one ending in 'i, but that is listed on a site with Hispanic
first
>>>>>>> names as a boy's name. I've lost touch with her, so haven't had
any
>>>>>>> luck at tracking down the truth of the matter. Any suggestions?
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read Donna's articles on
>>>>>>> Suite 101:
>>>>>>> www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>>>>>>> Ezine Articles:
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>>>>>>> American Chronicle:
>>>>>>> www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Connect with Donna on
>>>>>>> Twitter:
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dewhill
>>>>>>> LinkedIn:
>>>>>>> www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>>>>>>> FaceBook:
>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>>>>>>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>>>>> Apple I-Tunes
>>>>>>>
phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25924437
4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>>>>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the
Blind:
>>>>>>> www.padnfb.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/3/2011 7:30 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>>>>> JC, None of our screen readers speak a pure English, especially
>>>>>>>> with the right accent. Jaws doesn't come in Northeast, South,
>>>>>>>> Midwest and West. But it does come in British. Since I write
some
>>>>>>>> words in Hebrew and our CH sound sounds nothing like CH when it
>>>>>>>> appears in a Hebrew word, I'll attest to the fact that Mr. Jaws
>>>>>>>> really should become more international. BTW, does Jaws have a
>>>>>>>> version for Chinese and Japanese populations? Judith
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>> N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 7:12 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> interesting about thingy word pronounciation:
>>>>>>>>> my jaws and yours too probably pronounces it as a j sound for
the
>>>>>>>>> g in thingy. yet we pronounce it with a hard g.
>>>>>>>>> thanks judith.
>>>>>>>>> jc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At 03:35 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The news about Linda is great! Cellulitis is a bummer. My
>>>>>>>>>> husband had it when our youngest son got married. He enjoyed
the
>>>>>>>>>> wedding with his leg up on another chair. I've been using
the
>>>>>>>>>> word thingy since my kids were little, and they're not little
any
>>>>>>>>>> more. Their kids are, but I won't bore you with a grandma
email.
>>>>>>>>>> The word thingy was just convenient when something couldn't
be
>>>>>>>>>> identified or it's use was questionable. For example, my
sons
>>>>>>>>>> always built "thingys" with their legoes. Welcome home
Linda,
>>>>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday
M.A.
>>>>>>>>>> N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carrey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sending out prayers and good vibes and such to Jim and his
wife.
>>>>>>>>>>> *heart thingies*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Carrey. my wife Lynda came home wednesday night and
>>>>>>>>>>> promptly got very sick. but she stayed home.
>>>>>>>>>>> just saturday she could eat solid but soft food.
>>>>>>>>>>> she probably is finishing up a cellulitis infection. today
is
>>>>>>>>>>> her first day really feeling much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your prayers and concers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and I have to add that as a blogger one of my favorite words
is
>>>>>>>>>>> "thingy." since as a blogger I can play with language,
grammar,
>>>>>>>>>>> spelling, to further communicate my point I oftenspell the
>>>>>>>>>>> plural as t h i n g y s.
>>>>>>>>>>> whimsy can be fun in making serious points or pointing out
the
>>>>>>>>>>> problems of bad choices by a government.
>>>>>>>>>>> jc
>>>>>>>>>>>
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:38:48 -0500
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>, Writer's
Division
Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
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No, hoodlum is not slang. When we called someone a hood we didn't care
if
it was a proper word, it was just our way of referring to a group of
people,
usually guys, who spent their time trying to make someone's life
miserable.
Since I stayed away from them and them me, I just know what others told
me
about their actions. Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
> Woe, this is confusing. Is hoodlum slang?
> It does not sound racist. That word was not used in my public schools;
I'm
> younger than most of you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
> To: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S." <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>; "Writer's
> Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
>
>
>> Now it's gone too far! A Hoodlum is a racial slur? I went to an
eighty
>> percent black school. All the hoods in my school were white. Out of
>> fear of being labeled racist, I won't tell you the common nationality
of
>> all the hoods. Judith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S." <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>
>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:37 AM
>> Subject: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
>>
>>
>>> Recently, one of our school board members used the term "hoodlum"
to
>>> describe some of the less than desirable influences in our school
>>> system. There was a public outcry against this individual, claiming
it
>>> was a racial slur. In my opinion, this was an overly sensitive
response!
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim, It wasn't 60 years ago when hoodlums were hoods, but about 45
>>>> years ago. Right through high school there were bunches of guys we
>>>> called hoods. They wore sweat shirts, in the winter leather jackets
and
>>>> looked mean as bad. Judith
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:04 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Donna,
>>>>> in our little burg there's been a rash of holdups committed by men
>>>>> wearing hoodies, they're getting a negative rap.
>>>>> and you know that"hood" as a slang term goes way back. it was
slang
>>>>> for hoodlum over sixty years ago.
>>>>> good luck on the girl's name. I don't know about that.
>>>>> jc
>>>>>
>>>>> At 07:33 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>On the matter of Jaws pronunciation ... I just "finished" my novel
and
>>>>>>there was an instance where I chose a spelling based on Jaws'
>>>>>>pronunciation. The word is the one now used for hooded
sweatshirts.
>>>>>>According to the web, either h-o-o-d-y or h-o-o-d-i-e are
acceptible.
>>>>>>Jaws says hoody and hoodie, so I chose the one ending in 'y.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am still grappling with a similar problem concerning one of my
>>>>>>character's names. I knew a girl named Damari many years ago and
named
>>>>>>a secondary character after her. My memory -- such as it is --
>>>>>>is that she spelled her name D-a-m-a-r-i. My husband disagrees,
>>>>>>thinking it was D-a-m-a-r-y. Jaws says Damari and Damary. I like
the
>>>>>>one ending in 'i, but that is listed on a site with Hispanic first
>>>>>>names as a boy's name. I've lost touch with her, so haven't had
any
>>>>>>luck at tracking down the truth of the matter. Any suggestions?
>>>>>>Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Read Donna's articles on
>>>>>>Suite 101:
>>>>>>www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
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>>>>>>www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Connect with Donna on
>>>>>>Twitter:
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>>>>>>LinkedIn:
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>>>>>>FaceBook:
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
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9244374
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>>>>>Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>>>>Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>>>>>www.padnfb.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 1/3/2011 7:30 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>>>>JC, None of our screen readers speak a pure English, especially
with
>>>>>>>the right accent. Jaws doesn't come in Northeast, South, Midwest
and
>>>>>>>West. But it does come in British. Since I write some words in
>>>>>>>Hebrew and our CH sound sounds nothing like CH when it appears in
a
>>>>>>>Hebrew word, I'll attest to the fact that Mr. Jaws really should
>>>>>>>become more international. BTW, does Jaws have a version for
Chinese
>>>>>>>and Japanese populations? Judith
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
N6YR"
>>>>>>><n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 7:12 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>interesting about thingy word pronounciation:
>>>>>>>>my jaws and yours too probably pronounces it as a j sound for
the g
>>>>>>>>in thingy. yet we pronounce it with a hard g.
>>>>>>>>thanks judith.
>>>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At 03:35 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>The news about Linda is great! Cellulitis is a bummer. My
husband
>>>>>>>>>had it when our youngest son got married. He enjoyed the
wedding
>>>>>>>>>with his leg up on another chair. I've been using the word
thingy
>>>>>>>>>since my kids were little, and they're not little any more.
Their
>>>>>>>>>kids are, but I won't bore you with a grandma email. The word
>>>>>>>>>thingy was just convenient when something couldn't be
identified or
>>>>>>>>>it's use was questionable. For example, my sons always built
>>>>>>>>>"thingys" with their legoes. Welcome home Linda, Judith
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
>>>>>>>>>N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>>>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Carrey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Sending out prayers and good vibes and such to Jim and his
wife.
>>>>>>>>>>*heart thingies*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Carrey. my wife Lynda came home wednesday night and
>>>>>>>>>>promptly got very sick. but she stayed home.
>>>>>>>>>>just saturday she could eat solid but soft food.
>>>>>>>>>>she probably is finishing up a cellulitis infection. today is
her
>>>>>>>>>>first day really feeling much better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>thank you for your prayers and concers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and I have to add that as a blogger one of my favorite words
is
>>>>>>>>>>"thingy." since as a blogger I can play with language,
grammar,
>>>>>>>>>>spelling, to further communicate my point I oftenspell the
plural
>>>>>>>>>>as t h i n g y s.
>>>>>>>>>>whimsy can be fun in making serious points or pointing out the
>>>>>>>>>>problems of bad choices by a government.
>>>>>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>>>>>
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:55:09 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: Donna Hill<mailto:penatwork at epix.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List<mailto:stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3
Agreed, Judith, but now what? How do we get them to see the truth? If
people are correct that the root is fear, then what works against
that?
Donna
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On 1/5/2011 4:40 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
> Donna and Carry, Yes, the numbers of dead and wounded in Viet Nam
was
> staggering, but we have to be focused that even though they are from
> an all volunteer armed forces, they are still our family and
friends.
> When I worked for the Independent Living Center I proposed a program
> for the newly handicapped that would encompass the vets returning
home
> permanantly disabled. I was met with negaticves all the way up the
> line. The truth is people don't want to understand the handicapped.
> It's a lot easier for them to stereotype and think of themselves as
> mightier than you and I because they aren't blind, deaf or
travelling
> in a wheelchair. Here's a funny anecdote, but you'll see the irony:
> I was at a wedding recently. I was speaking to my friend next to me
> about recipes since both of us are on low carb. I told her about a
> recipe that I do with eggplant, zucchini, olive oil and grated
> cheese. A woman across the table asked me for the recipe again, she
> wanted to try it. A few minutes later I needed to use the lady's
room
> so got up and unfolded my cane. My friend told me later, "She was
> astounded! You didn't sound handicapped!"
> How does blind sound? How does deaf stand out in a crowd? How does
> whealchair travel sound? Friends, after all these years, all this
> progress and our ever increased abilities, the world is not ready to
> accept us as equal citizens. Judith
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hill"
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> Cc: "Writer's Division Mailing List"
<stylist at nfbnet.org<mailto:stylist at nfbnet.org>>; "Kerry
> Thompson"
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3
>
>
>> Kerry,
>> True, a higher percentage of wounded vets are now living with
severe
>> disabilities, but I think back to Vietnam. The sheer numbers of
>> wounded, killed and disabled were so vastly higher than we have
seen
>> in Iraq and Afghanistan that even though a higher percentage are
>> surviving today, there were still many more individuals surviving
>> after Vietnam. Guess I'm just saying I don't hold out much hope for
>> this to make a difference, especially since we now have an all
>> volunteer armed forces and it's easier for people to turn away from
>> the problems because they don't have the universal concern that it
>> could be their loved ones.
>> Donna
>>
>> Read Donna's articles on
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>>
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cfm/donna_hill>
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pert=D._W._Hill>
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>>
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.com/authors/view/3885>
>>
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>> LinkedIn:
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>> FaceBook:
>>
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>>
>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>> Apple I-Tunes
>>
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4
>>
>>
>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>> www.padnfb.org<http://www.padnfb.org/>
>>
>>
>> On 1/5/2011 3:19 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>>> Donna,
>>>
>>> Free associating a bit here: There have always been wounded i.e.
>>> disabled veterans. But, with so many more wounded, with such
>>> horrific injuries, surviving from Iraq and Afghanistan, coupled
with
>>> the fact that so many of them are so young,maybe the wall between
>>> able bodied and disabled will finally start to crumble. These kids
>>> are going to need serious care and serious societal change for
many
>>> years to come. Of course, it's already been ten years. How much
>>> longer, how many more ordinary kids turned into desperately
disabled
>>> citizens is it going to take before the able bodied get the
message
>>> that, to paraphrase Pogo, they have met the disabled and they are
us?
>>>
>>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> On 1/4/2011 8:56 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
>>>> Hi Kerry,
>>>> Thanks for the Damaris link. I know in high school, her teachers
>>>> still called her Damari. If I can find her, I'll use whatever
>>>> spelling she uses. If not, it'll stay Damari. Thanks for the
>>>> liberating comments about using whatever one I like.
>>>>
>>>> As far as Braille and literacy ... I think one of the understated
>>>> issues with Braille literacy is that society is undergoing a
>>>> blurring of standards for literacy in general, which is a shame.
I
>>>> really don't think people get that audio learning isn't the same
as
>>>> Braille or print. When I do radio interviews, I do often ask a
>>>> sighted host how they would feel if their child came home with
the
>>>> happy news that he/she no longer needed to study reading, because
>>>> the teacher thinks they're such a good listener. Of course, it
>>>> isn't OK for sighted children to just listen, when you put it to
>>>> them that way.
>>>>
>>>> As to your comments about the fact that literacy for all should
be
>>>> the goal and we aren't second class ... I think that this is what
>>>> Shawn was talking about when he mentioned that we need to make
>>>> blindness and how we cope with it relevant to the general public.
>>>> To most people, blind people are not equal. I say this not merely
>>>> out of experience and observation but because it is what
pollsters
>>>> learn when they canvass non-disabled Americans on their beliefs
>>>> about people with disabilities. The report I often cite from the
>>>> early '90s says the general public views people with disabilities
>>>> as "fundamentally different from the rest of the population." I
>>>> don't think there's any other way to frame that other than by
>>>> saying that we are in the minds of our fellow Americans second
>>>> class. It always reminds me of the movie "Children of a Lesser
God"
>>>> which dealt withdeafness.
>>>>
>>>> In order to get John & Jane Q. Public to understand the injustice
>>>> of only 10% of blind children being literate or over 70% of blind
>>>> adults being unemployed, we have to first convince them that we
>>>> are part of them, and that there's no reason they have to carry
us
>>>> on their backs. All too often the success stories of blind people
>>>> are presented and viewed as isolated instances of inspiring
>>>> individuals who surmounted insurmountable obstacles to get
>>>> somewhere that can't really be expected of blind people in
general.
>>>> The fact that others could achieve if they had the tools,
training
>>>> and the attitude of these few isn't discussed. I think the public
>>>> likes to have the occasional blind hero to give them a warm and
>>>> fuzzy feeling. There wouldn't be as much of that, if we were
>>>> expected to achieve like everyone else.
>>>>
>>>> I think your points about working for equality like other
>>>> minorities is right on. It's a civil rights issue based on fear
and
>>>> prejudice. I don't think the public gets that either. They think
we
>>>> are here to be taken care of and to remind them of how good they
>>>> have it because they can see.
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read Donna's articles on
>>>> Suite 101:
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pert=D._W._Hill>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>>>> cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>> Apple I-Tunes
>>>>
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4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>>> Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>> Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>>> www.padnfb.org<http://www.padnfb.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2011 5:18 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> Donna, maybe the problem, the barrier, is the emphasis on
>>>>> "braille." The emphasis needs to be on "reading," however the
>>>>> individual approaches reading. It sticks in my mind that only
ten
>>>>> per cent of blind children are taught to read braille, i.e. the
>>>>> method of reading appropriate to them. Only ten percent! How
would
>>>>> society at large react if, say, only ten per cent of black
>>>>> children were taught to read, or ten per cent of Jewish
children,
>>>>> or ten per cent of children from Idaho? It's a question of human
>>>>> rights. All American children should be taught to read. Someof
>>>>> them need an alternative method to print. So what? The method
>>>>> isn't (or shouldn't be) the issue. The issue should be literacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I realize the above sounds naive and utopian. But, I truly
>>>>> believe it should be the goal. I mean, the phrase "separate but
>>>>> equal" comes to mind whenever I hear people talk about braille
>>>>> literacy. Literacy is the goal, full literacy of the entire U.S.
>>>>> population. For most that will mean print literacy, for some,
>>>>> braille literacy. But, the two really can't be separated. To
read
>>>>> is to read, whether with the eyes or with the fingers. The false
>>>>> dichotomy of literacy and braille literacy needs to be removed,
>>>>> both in our own minds and in themind of John Q. Public.
>>>>>
>>>>> That reminds me. Did Congress ever do anything about the
shameful
>>>>> lack of accessible textbooks for blind schoolchildren? Again, it
>>>>> seems to me the emphasis needs to be, not on the difference,
books
>>>>> in braille, but on the colossal injustice ofany American
>>>>> schoolchild being denied access to schoolbooks. Again, how would
>>>>> it be if it were some other group being denied access to
schooling
>>>>> or to the necessary books? It wouldn't wash. We have to present
>>>>> our needs the way Civil Rights and Women's Rights campaigners
>>>>> presented needs, not as special concessions or favors we're
asking
>>>>> for, but as matters of right, of justice.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a time when printed books were very rare and valuable.
>>>>> Now, you can pick up a mass market paperback for five or six
>>>>> bucks. Braille books are just the same. Now they are dear, but
as
>>>>> demand grows with the increasing literacy of the blind
population,
>>>>> prices will come down. That's simple demand and supply. As
demand
>>>>> grows, supply also grows and prices fall. Again, we all, blind
and
>>>>> sighted alike, have to stop regarding braille as a specialty
item.
>>>>> It's no different from print.
>>>>>
>>>>> I donno. I just get so frustrated and angry at the conditions we
>>>>> have to accept, conditions no other minority group would put up
>>>>> with. We're not subhuman. We're citizens just like anybody else,
>>>>> and we should have the same rights and expectations...
>>>>>
>>>>> End of rant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, so glad Lynda is on the mend, if slowly. Continuing prayers
>>>>> and heart thingies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith, For some reason, I always thought "thingy" was chiefly
>>>>> British. I've always liked it. Yes, it's a very useful word.
It's
>>>>> strange about the pronunciation. Window-eyes pronounces the
>>>>> singular with the hard g sound but the plural with the soft g.
>>>>> Just one of those oddnesses we have to get used to, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith, yeah, but it's a generic British just like the generic
>>>>> American. I imagine British JAWS users get just as frustrated
with
>>>>> pronunciation as we do. And, how about the Canadians?
>>>>>
>>>>> Donna, I know there's a girl's name Damaris. The way I've heard
it
>>>>> pronounced is with the stress on the second syllable. Here's the
>>>>> page from Behind the Name:
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.behindthename.com/name/damaris<http://www.behindthename.com/n
ame/damaris>
>>>>>
>>>>> Behind the Name does not have a listing for Damari. It sounds
like
>>>>> a diminutive to me, probably for Damaris or possibly a nursery
>>>>> name derived from Rosemarie or Rosemary.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing is, with a rare or even made up name, you can spell it
>>>>> any old way you like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, it's funny you should think the same thing about damari and
>>>>> Damaris. Great minds...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure "hood" is out of date even now to mean hoodlum etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion, what race was "hoodlum" supposed to be targeting?
Sheesh!
>>>>> Now, I can see "hooligan" being construed as anti-Irish, maybe,
>>>>> but "hoodlum?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Solidarity and Peace,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:32:04 -0500
From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7
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Hi friends,
My goodness, but Stylist is busy today!
Judith, you're right. Simple acceptance with no judgment or negativity
is all too rare. It's even rarer when you have more than one disability,
as I do. I guess all we can do is work on the people immediately around
us.
Solidarity and Peace,
Kerry
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:14:37 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Hood exercise
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Here is an attempt at the exercise I prompted.
Bridgit
Kimberly sat tapping her finger nails on the side of her laptop. Her
stomach grumbled while she tried to concentrate on the hand-out Mr.
Hansen had distributed to the class. Papers rustled on nearby desk, and
pens scratched across fellow students papers. The clock on the wall
tick-tocked as she struggled to keep her eyes opened. Flipping the top
of her Braille watch up, she checked the time . She kept popping her
eyes open and jamming them shut in an attempt to wake herself up.
"Miss Michaels, are you okay?"
Kimberly blinked in Mr. Hansen's direction. Blushing, she played with
the ear bud cord dangling from her laptop. "No, sorry."
Mr. Hansen chuckled. "This is what happens when they assign classes
before lunch."
Kimberly smiled and returned to the assignment. Placing her ear bud in
her ear again, she tried to pay attention to the droning electronic
voice of JAW's.
Voices punctured the silence shouting in the distance. Kimberly tilted
her head trying to make sounds out. A metallic bang bellowed through
the empty halls. She froze, fingers paused above her keyboard. A
buzzing surrounded the room as classmates whispered together. She heard
the click of the door as it opened. The muffled shouting formed into
words.
"Get back in your rooms!" a disembodied voice yelled.
The door slammed shut as people rushed down the hall. The phone by Mr.
Hansen's desk rang. His voice quavered as he answered the call.
Students abandoned the whispering. Zippers clinked on bookbags, books
and papers swooshed off of desks. Keys clacked furiously as students
sent text messages. Kimberly, trying to catch her breath, gripped her
white cane.
"Kids, we need to stay put-someone in the school is firing shots."
The tension that had been bubbling on the surface now erupted filling
the room with commotion. Kimberly clutched the sides of her desk. She
tasted vanilla and cherries as she licked her lips.
"Calm down-we need to stay calm," Mr. Hansen shouted.
Kimberly slid down in her chair. Closing her eyes, she slipped the hood
of her sweat shirt over her head. Shrouded by her oversized hoodie, a
tear trailed down her cheek while she steadied her breathing.
Sam eyed the chocolate layered cake tempting him from the corner of his
desk. He shuffled numerous reports stacked in front of him. Checking
paper reports to electronic ones, he looked up when a knock rapped on
his door.
"Hey, Detective Holms-great party. Ready to retire?"
"After forty years, I guess it's about time I concentrated on other
things. Maybe I'll do some traveling."
"Headed out, just poppin' in to say good-bye."
"Hey Stanton, want some cake?" Sam pushed the cake forward.
Stanton smiled. "Already had two pieces-thanks though."
Sam grunted. "Sheri has me on a diet."
"Good luck with that." Stanton laughed as he walked down the hall.
Sam rubbed his eyes as he turned back to his reports. Ready to leave,
He stood and stretched as the phone rang.
"Holmes." His face hardened as he sat back down. After a minute, he
sat the phone back in its cradle. Walking to the door, he shouted out,
"We have a code red!"
He slumped back in his chair. Leaning forward, he held his head in his
hands. He turned his eyes up as an officer entered.
"Code red, sir?"
Sam sighed. "A shooting happened out at Southwest high school. They
think a student was the shooter."
"I'll send the APB out, sir."
"When will these hoodlums learn?" Sam picked up the phone to call his
wife. His last day of work would be a full day.
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:43:11 -0500
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hood exercise
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Bridget, please forgive me, but what exercise? Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:14 PM
Subject: [stylist] Hood exercise
> Here is an attempt at the exercise I prompted.
>
>
>
> Bridgit
>
>
>
> Kimberly sat tapping her finger nails on the side of her laptop. Her
> stomach grumbled while she tried to concentrate on the hand-out Mr.
> Hansen had distributed to the class. Papers rustled on nearby desk,
and
> pens scratched across fellow students papers. The clock on the wall
> tick-tocked as she struggled to keep her eyes opened. Flipping the
top
> of her Braille watch up, she checked the time . She kept popping her
> eyes open and jamming them shut in an attempt to wake herself up.
>
>
>
> "Miss Michaels, are you okay?"
>
>
>
> Kimberly blinked in Mr. Hansen's direction. Blushing, she played with
> the ear bud cord dangling from her laptop. "No, sorry."
>
>
>
> Mr. Hansen chuckled. "This is what happens when they assign classes
> before lunch."
>
>
>
> Kimberly smiled and returned to the assignment. Placing her ear bud
in
> her ear again, she tried to pay attention to the droning electronic
> voice of JAW's.
>
>
>
> Voices punctured the silence shouting in the distance. Kimberly
tilted
> her head trying to make sounds out. A metallic bang bellowed through
> the empty halls. She froze, fingers paused above her keyboard. A
> buzzing surrounded the room as classmates whispered together. She
heard
> the click of the door as it opened. The muffled shouting formed into
> words.
>
>
>
> "Get back in your rooms!" a disembodied voice yelled.
>
>
>
> The door slammed shut as people rushed down the hall. The phone by
Mr.
> Hansen's desk rang. His voice quavered as he answered the call.
>
>
>
> Students abandoned the whispering. Zippers clinked on bookbags, books
> and papers swooshed off of desks. Keys clacked furiously as students
> sent text messages. Kimberly, trying to catch her breath, gripped her
> white cane.
>
>
>
> "Kids, we need to stay put-someone in the school is firing shots."
>
>
>
> The tension that had been bubbling on the surface now erupted filling
> the room with commotion. Kimberly clutched the sides of her desk.
She
> tasted vanilla and cherries as she licked her lips.
>
>
>
> "Calm down-we need to stay calm," Mr. Hansen shouted.
>
>
>
> Kimberly slid down in her chair. Closing her eyes, she slipped the
hood
> of her sweat shirt over her head. Shrouded by her oversized hoodie, a
> tear trailed down her cheek while she steadied her breathing.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sam eyed the chocolate layered cake tempting him from the corner of
his
> desk. He shuffled numerous reports stacked in front of him. Checking
> paper reports to electronic ones, he looked up when a knock rapped on
> his door.
>
>
>
> "Hey, Detective Holms-great party. Ready to retire?"
>
>
>
> "After forty years, I guess it's about time I concentrated on other
> things. Maybe I'll do some traveling."
>
>
>
> "Headed out, just poppin' in to say good-bye."
>
>
>
> "Hey Stanton, want some cake?" Sam pushed the cake forward.
>
>
>
> Stanton smiled. "Already had two pieces-thanks though."
>
>
>
> Sam grunted. "Sheri has me on a diet."
>
>
>
> "Good luck with that." Stanton laughed as he walked down the hall.
>
>
>
> Sam rubbed his eyes as he turned back to his reports. Ready to leave,
> He stood and stretched as the phone rang.
>
>
>
> "Holmes." His face hardened as he sat back down. After a minute, he
> sat the phone back in its cradle. Walking to the door, he shouted
out,
> "We have a code red!"
>
>
>
> He slumped back in his chair. Leaning forward, he held his head in
his
> hands. He turned his eyes up as an officer entered.
>
>
>
> "Code red, sir?"
>
>
>
> Sam sighed. "A shooting happened out at Southwest high school. They
> think a student was the shooter."
>
>
>
> "I'll send the APB out, sir."
>
>
>
> "When will these hoodlums learn?" Sam picked up the phone to call his
> wife. His last day of work would be a full day.
>
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:49:11 -0600
From: "James H. \"Jim\" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>, "Writer's
Division
Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
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Ashley,
just a note the "whoa" at the beginning of your note should be w h o
a, as one would command a horse. w o e is a warning in older english
or bad tidings.
I am not sure but I think hoodlum was slang but became common english
through usage as so often happens.
well:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=hoodlum&searchmode=term
one of my favorite resources tells me the word might date to 1870's
california, san francisco.
then back to a related word in a german dialect.
www.etymonline.com
is a great place to learn about words.
jc
At 06:10 PM 1/5/2011, you wrote:
>Woe, this is confusing. Is hoodlum slang?
>It does not sound racist. That word was not used in my public
>schools; I'm younger than most of you.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
>To: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S." <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>; "Writer's
>Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
>
>
>>Now it's gone too far! A Hoodlum is a racial slur? I went to an
>>eighty percent black school. All the hoods in my school were
>>white. Out of fear of being labeled racist, I won't tell you the
>>common nationality of all the hoods. Judith
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala, M.S."
>><marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>
>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:37 AM
>>Subject: [stylist] Hoods & Hoodlums
>>
>>
>>> Recently, one of our school board members used the term
>>> "hoodlum" to describe some of the less than desirable influences
>>> in our school system. There was a public outcry against this
>>> individual, claiming it was a racial slur. In my opinion, this
>>> was an overly sensitive response!
>>>
>>>Fraternally yours,
>>>Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Bron"
<jbron at optonline.net>
>>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:35 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jim, It wasn't 60 years ago when hoodlums were hoods, but about
>>>>45 years ago. Right through high school there were bunches of
>>>>guys we called hoods. They wore sweat shirts, in the winter
>>>>leather jackets and looked mean as bad. Judith
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday M.A.
>>>>N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:04 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] On Jaws pronunciation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Donna,
>>>>>in our little burg there's been a rash of holdups committed by
>>>>>men wearing hoodies, they're getting a negative rap.
>>>>>and you know that"hood" as a slang term goes way back. it was
>>>>>slang for hoodlum over sixty years ago.
>>>>>good luck on the girl's name. I don't know about that.
>>>>>jc
>>>>>
>>>>>At 07:33 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>On the matter of Jaws pronunciation ... I just "finished" my
>>>>>>novel and there was an instance where I chose a spelling based
>>>>>>on Jaws' pronunciation. The word is the one now used for hooded
>>>>>>sweatshirts. According to the web, either h-o-o-d-y or
>>>>>>h-o-o-d-i-e are acceptible. Jaws says hoody and hoodie, so I
>>>>>>chose the one ending in 'y.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am still grappling with a similar problem concerning one of
>>>>>>my character's names. I knew a girl named Damari many years ago
>>>>>>and named a secondary character after her. My memory -- such as
>>>>>>it is -- is that she spelled her name D-a-m-a-r-i. My husband
>>>>>>disagrees, thinking it was D-a-m-a-r-y. Jaws says Damari and
>>>>>>Damary. I like the one ending in 'i, but that is listed on a
>>>>>>site with Hispanic first names as a boy's name. I've lost touch
>>>>>>with her, so haven't had any luck at tracking down the truth of
>>>>>>the matter. Any suggestions?
>>>>>>Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Read Donna's articles on
>>>>>>Suite 101:
>>>>>>www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/donna_hill
>>>>>>Ezine Articles:
>>>>>>http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=D._W._Hill
>>>>>>American Chronicle:
>>>>>>www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3885
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Connect with Donna on
>>>>>>Twitter:
>>>>>>www.twitter.com/dewhill
>>>>>>LinkedIn:
>>>>>>www.linkedin.com/in/dwh99
>>>>>>FaceBook:
>>>>>>www.facebook.com/donna.w.hill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hear clips from "The Last Straw" at:
>>>>>>cdbaby.com/cd/donnahill
>>>>>>Apple I-Tunes
>>>>>>phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=25
9244374
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Check out the "Sound in Sight" CD project
>>>>>>Donna is Head of Media Relations for the nonprofit
>>>>>>Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind:
>>>>>>www.padnfb.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 1/3/2011 7:30 PM, Judith Bron wrote:
>>>>>>>JC, None of our screen readers speak a pure English,
>>>>>>>especially with the right accent. Jaws doesn't come in
>>>>>>>Northeast, South, Midwest and West. But it does come in
>>>>>>>British. Since I write some words in Hebrew and our CH sound
>>>>>>>sounds nothing like CH when it appears in a Hebrew word, I'll
>>>>>>>attest to the fact that Mr. Jaws really should become more
>>>>>>>international. BTW, does Jaws have a version for Chinese and
>>>>>>>Japanese populations? Judith
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday
>>>>>>>M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 7:12 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>interesting about thingy word pronounciation:
>>>>>>>>my jaws and yours too probably pronounces it as a j sound for
>>>>>>>>the g in thingy. yet we pronounce it with a hard g.
>>>>>>>>thanks judith.
>>>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At 03:35 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>The news about Linda is great! Cellulitis is a bummer. My
>>>>>>>>>husband had it when our youngest son got married. He
>>>>>>>>>enjoyed the wedding with his leg up on another chair. I've
>>>>>>>>>been using the word thingy since my kids were little, and
>>>>>>>>>they're not little any more. Their kids are, but I won't
>>>>>>>>>bore you with a grandma email. The word thingy was just
>>>>>>>>>convenient when something couldn't be identified or it's use
>>>>>>>>>was questionable. For example, my sons always built
>>>>>>>>>"thingys" with their legoes. Welcome home Linda, Judith
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. "Jim" Canaday
>>>>>>>>>M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
>>>>>>>>>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [stylist] heart thingies, thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Carrey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Sending out prayers and good vibes and such to Jim and his
>>>>>>>>>>wife. *heart thingies*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Carrey. my wife Lynda came home wednesday night and
>>>>>>>>>>promptly got very sick. but she stayed home.
>>>>>>>>>>just saturday she could eat solid but soft food.
>>>>>>>>>>she probably is finishing up a cellulitis infection. today
>>>>>>>>>>is her first day really feeling much better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>thank you for your prayers and concers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and I have to add that as a blogger one of my favorite
>>>>>>>>>>words is "thingy." since as a blogger I can play with
>>>>>>>>>>language, grammar, spelling, to further communicate my
>>>>>>>>>>point I oftenspell the plural as t h i n g y s.
>>>>>>>>>>whimsy can be fun in making serious points or pointing out
>>>>>>>>>>the problems of bad choices by a government.
>>>>>>>>>>jc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:55:51 -0600
From: "James H. \"Jim\" Canaday M.A. N6YR" <n6yr at sunflower.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Hood exercise
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good,
love the food refs. what's the meaning of the girl's tasting
cherries and vanilla on her lips? did I miss something?
and, at this point:
Sam eyed the chocolate layered cake tempting him from the corner of his
desk. He shuffled numerous reports stacked in front of him. Checking
paper reports to electronic ones, he looked up when a knock rapped on
his door.
---I needed a little transition reference. cue me a little to change
of place/time/character.
jc
At 08:14 PM 1/5/2011, you wrote:
>Sam eyed the chocolate layered cake tempting him from the corner of his
>desk. He shuffled numerous reports stacked in front of him. Checking
>paper reports to electronic ones, he looked up when a knock rapped on
>his door.
>
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