[stylist] Canes and Dogs

Thu May 12 12:34:27 UTC 2011

Bridget, read my last post. JB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:34 AM
Subject: [stylist] Canes and Dogs


> Judith,
>
> You miss the point of Marion's comments.  You said that if a restaurant
> told you your guide dog is not suppose to be in their establishment that
> you apologize and promise to not bring it next time.
>
> As pointed out, this is illegal.  No public establishments , including
> restaurants, have any right to deny a guide dog unless it poses a
> threat.
>
> So, in your example, the restaurant was verbally saying the dog is not
> allowed.
>
> Based on this, you can replace denying a service animal with an ethnic
> group.
>
> If you are denied access to a public place because of your ethnicity,
> that establishment would be breaking the law.  Just like if they deny
> access to a guide dog.
>
> I fail to see the confusion.  Either way, the establishment is
> discriminating and denying entrance to a person, which in this country
> is illegal.
>
> True, a guide dog owner has the choice to take or not take their dog,
> but regardless of this, no public place can legally deny a guide dog,
> just like they can not deny service due to race, religion, gender,
> sexual orientation or ethnicity.
>
> Bridgit
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:16 -0400
> From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Canes and dogs
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> Where did my Jewish identity come in?  If a restaurant or anything else
> doesn't allow Jews based on their religion chances are pretty good
> they've
> already been reported to authorities.  Many years ago in Florida my in
> laws
> were vacationing.  My late mother in law had darker skin, resembling an
> Italian or Middle Eastern complexion.  She and my late father in law had
>
> reservations in a hotel.  When they walked in the person at the desk
> told
> them that my mother in law could not stay.  They didn't allow people
> described with the N word to be guests in their hotel.  My father in law
>
> toldd them he couldn't stay either.  There's a big difference between a
> dog
> and a Jew with a darker complexion or a Jew who looks as white as an
> Aryian.
> Today all public establishments are mandated to allow guide dogs into
> their
> establishment.  However the person using the guide dog has to make their
> own
> determination as to weather or not they want to take their animal there.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Canes and dogs
>
>
>> Judith,
>>    I would like to respectfully disagree with some of your message.
>> How
>> one handles an issue of going to someone's home is up to them. My
> feeling
>> is that, if I am invited to someone's home who knows me, that person
> knows
>> I have a guide dog. If they advise me that they are amenable to the
>> presence of my dog, I will make the choice based upon this fact. If,
>> however, they say nothing, I will not ask and will not bring my dog. I
>
>> believe that doing so puts someone on the spot and they may agree to
> let
>> me bring my dog in spite of their wishes that I not do so for fear
> that
>> they may be seen as rude. Again, this is my approach and, by no means,
> do
>> I believe this is the only way to handle it. It is my way. I am not
> one
>> who believes, as I have stated previously, that if you do not accept
> my
>> dog you don't accept me!
>>    As to the issue of a public accommodation telling me I am not
> welcome
>> with my dog, I will offer no apology.  It is a violation of both state
> and
>> federal law to discriminate against a disabled individual accompanied
> by a
>> service dog unless the dog poses a direct threat to the health or
> safety
>> of others that cannot be eliminated by a reasonable modification of
>> policies, practices, and procedures or if my dog is out of control and
> I
>> do not take immediate action to correct the behavior. Period. End of
>> Story! On this issue I am as intolerant as I hope you would be if a
>> restaurant told you they did not allow Jews! I would attempt to
> educate
>> them, but if they persisted in their discrimination, they would find
>> themselves under arrest! In Florida, as is true in 33 other states,
>> discrimination based upon disability is a criminal offense!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
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