[stylist] Invitation to write

[Watson, Katherine M]

Hello List,
     As a rule, we should probably copy and paste the text of our works to be critiqued in the body of the email, as attachments are scrubbed from the digest version of this list and it cuts down on potential virus-spreading. Just a though. --Katie W

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Ignorance and education (Judith Bron)
   2. Ah, the imperfections of Spell Check (Donna Hill)
   3. invitation to write (LoriStay at aol.com)
   4. Re: Food for thought? (LoriStay at aol.com)
   5. Re: invitation to write (Judith Bron)
   6. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19 (Kerry Thompson)
   7. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19 (Donna Hill)
   8. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19 (Kerry Thompson)
   9. Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question (Donna Hill)
  10. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19 (Judith Bron)
  11. Re: Food for thought? (Jacqueline Williams)
  12. Re: Food for thought? (PAUL BAVER)
  13. Re: Food for thought? (Jacqueline Williams)
  14. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 15 (Justin Williams)
  15. Re: Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question (Barbara Hammel)
  16. here's a poem (Barbara Hammel)
  17. June Writers' Division Telephone Gathering- Poetry
      (Robert Leslie Newman)
  18. Re: here's a poem (Donna Hill)
  19. Re: here's a poem (Judith Bron)
  20. Re: here's a poem (Jacobson, Shawn D)
  21. Re: here's a poem (Robert Leslie Newman)
  22. Re: here's a poem (Barbara Hammel)
  23. Re: here's a poem (Brad Dunse')
  24. Re: Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
      (loristay at aol.com)
  25. Re: here's a poem (PAUL BAVER)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:21:28 -0400
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Ignorance and education
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Whoever came up with the phrase, "Ignorance is bliss" must have known people
who treat the handicapped like total imbeciles.  I love people who say,
'"How can you be blind.  You don't look blind."  To them I say, "If I looked
blind would you feel better?"  Then there are the sales clerks who insist on
pointing to a rack or shelf when I ask where something is.  If I politely
say, '"I'm sorry, but I'm blind and can't see where you're  pointing.  Can
you show me where it is?"  They just point again and turn away.  The world
is full of people like this.  We have no idea what's on their minds and they
don't have to realize that what they're communicating is insensitive and,
quite frankly, dumb.  We have no idea if their loved one is criticly ill.
No idea if the police just called to inform them that their child was picked
up on drug charges.  No idea if their spouse of many or even a few years
said "Good bye" last night.  Since none of us have the ability to read
nminds lets give people we perceive as insensitive and dumb the benefit of
the doubt.  Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Ignorance and education


> Bridgit,
> Your store-clerk and bus-driver stories make my blood boil. I'm afraid I
> would have made a scene. I don't like being "grabbed" as I perceive it,
> for
> a number of reasons. As a guide dog user, I've had people at busy
> intersections just grab me out of the blue when the light changes. When I
> lived in Philadelphia, I got into the habit of standing my ground,
> extracting myself and then waiting for the next light. You only have a
> split
> second to determine if the person means you harm, and after some
> unpleasant
> incidents, I decided not to take chances. I always try to start off
> politely, but not wanting help and thinking that we're capable of doing
> things for ourselves are considered rude no matter how kindly you try to
> explain yourself. I would tell people that the dog needs to do his job,
> and
> unfortunately, if I didn't wait for the next light, it would be setting a
> bad precedent. Fortunately, no one seems to want to stick around for
> another
> change of the traffic lights.
>
> On the other hand, I had a friend who was so concerned about making
> "people
> who are just trying to help" uncomfortable, that she often allowed herself
> to be placed on a bus when she was just waiting to cross the street.
>
> I don't know how to really handle situations successfully with people who
> are as ignorant as the store clerk. I want to simply say, "Are you aware
> how
> utterly offensive your questions are?" It is that kind of thinking that
> keeps many educated and capable blind people unemployed. Did you attend
> the
> teleconference Robert set up with Braille Monitor editor Gary Wonder? He
> mentioned a boss who hired him, but later confessed that he almost didn't,
> because he thought someone on staff would have to help him go to the
> bathroom and such. Anyway, after 61 years, I can't seem to find the magic
> attitude that would allow that sort of thing to role off. It's a flaw that
> I
> have tried unsuccessfully to deal with.
>
> It's also interesting that you see a difference in how you and Ross are
> treated. That's something I've been aware of since childhood -- my brother
> is also blind. I like the idea of playing with these folks , but I made
> something up years ago when someone asked me how I got dressed, and it
> backfired. I told them that the government paid for someone to come every
> morning. They thought I was serious.
> Donna
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:52 PM
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [stylist] Ignorance and education
>
> Donna,
>
> Though I've encountered questions like this, I fortunately have not had
> to deal with that level of ignorance much.  It does happen, though, and
> I've learned to "deal" with it a little better over the years.
>
> Ross, the hubby, and I were shopping one day.  We are both blind and
> both use a cane, as I've mentioned before.  This still doesn't stop
> people from thinking he is helping me.
>
> Anyway, we decided to try some clothes on, and while in the fitting
> room, a fitting room attendant asked Ross if I needed help in the stall,
> and when Ross said no, the attendant asked how I would get my clothes
> on.  Mind you, I was present for this entire conversation.
>
> On average, I dress pretty trendy.  I follow fashion trends, and my
> closet is a rainbow of outfits.  I also usually wear make-up too, and I
> don't shy away from color here either.  It amazes me that I can be
> dolled up, but still have people not understand how I got that way.
>
> The attendant asked, and I've had others ask this, if Ross dresses me
> each morning.  I finally answered by saying I wouldn't trust him to
> dress a monkey.
>
> Now, we don't always do stuff like this, but at times, it is too much to
> resist.  While we continued to try clothes on, the attendant asked
> question after question.  And not the common sense ones, but things
> like, "How do you eat?" or, "How do you know if you are wearing the
> others clothes?"  Which let me say, I wear a size 4 and Ross is a
> 6-foot, 190 lbs. guy.  This person could clearly see, and yet they
> believed we got confused over whose clothes were whose.
>
> So, after asking Ross how he went blind, Ross grew quiet before saying
> in a broken voice that during an accident in the lab, there was an
> explosion, and that is how he lost his sight.  Meanwhile, I'm fighting
> giggles in my fitting room.
>
> Sometimes it's just more fun to make things up than to react to the
> environment.
>
> This situation was frustrating, but for me, this person was so clearly
> ignorant of more than blindness that it was difficult to not view this
> in a comedic light.
>
> I've been in other situations, though, when decisions were made for me
> by people who had no clue about blindness.
>
> A bus driver passed my stop for home, and the next official stop was a
> ways off from my house.  Being a "by-the-book" driver, he wouldn't drop
> me off before the next official stop.
>
> The plan was that I would get off the bus, cross the street, and wait
> for the bus going in the direction back towards my house.  I did not
> realize that the driver had asked another passenger to walk me across
> the street.
>
> I take the bus often, and I live in the city.  I cross all sorts of
> streets, and though this was a busy intersection, it was a fairly easy
> crossing.
>
> First, the bus stops in the middle of traffic during rush hour.  I step
> off and immediately, this woman explains her role.  I assure her that
> I'm okay, and she relents.  The driver,  freaks, gets off his bus and
> comes up and grabs my arm.  I explain I'm okay, but he insist it is
> company policy that he escort, "people like me," across the street.
> Crossing a busy city street during rush hour is not the time or place
> for a lesson on blindness, but I did firmly tell him that it is the
> right of any person to cross a street without help, but he just did not
> believe me.  Once across, I asked how he thought I'd been getting around
> all day without his help, to which he said, "I'm not going to get into
> trouble because you're stubborn."
>
> I was fuming, but my bus was waiting so I boarded.  I sat down and to
> add insult to injury, I over-heard another passenger on the phone say,
> "The bus was held up because a poor blind girl needed help across the
> street."
>
> I made a complaint to the bus company, though the manager I spoke with
> did not seem like he thought the ordeal was a big one to complain about.
>
> The real funny thing is that Ross, for his job, does
> disability-awareness training for the bus company at times, and this is
> one of the issues he addresses.  And we know for a fact that there is no
> rule about crossing blind people across busy streets.
>
> Legislation can be passed, but the public at large is usually unaware of
> most of these laws.  We try to educate when we can, but, like in my bus
> scenario, we don't always have the time to educate.  It would be nice if
> some of these laws were more widely known.
>
> Like everyone is aware that it is illegal to discriminate against race
> or ethnicity.  It still happens, but we know it is against the law.  But
> not many people are aware of laws providing rights to those with
> disabilities.  More wide-spread knowledge is necessary when it comes to
> disabilities.
>
> I was sighted for 22 years so when I was thrown into this world of
> blindness, I was caught off guard by how stupid people suddenly became
> around me, and people I have known for a long time.  I went from being a
> regular person to, over night, someone who could not do anything.  The
> most menial task is now, apparently, tedious, and at times, impossible,
> for me.  I hate that we are viewed as amazing for accomplishing daily
> task, like we contain some gene specific to blind people that allows us
> to do what others couldn't in the same circumstance.
>
> I fortunately didn't really struggle with my own blindness.  I didn't
> see an end to the road, but I realized I needed a few different tools to
> keep going down the same road.  My struggle has been everyone else's
> attitudes and ideas.
>
> It is one thing to believe blindness limits you, though this thinking is
> flawed, but, to me, it is another thing to be amazed we can brush our
> teeth or tie our shoes without help.
>
> When I'm told, "Good job," for things like walking down stairs or
> avoiding objects, I just smile my brightest smile and say, "Good job to
> you too."
>
> This usually throws people off guard, which I like.  *wicked grin*
>
> Bridgit
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:56:06 -0400
> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 11
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Yes, yes, yes! There are those who marvel at the fact that I can tie my
> own
> shoes while "praising" me for being so independent. There's also the
> "you
> don't look blind" and "you're doing so well with your handicap; not like
> ..." Both of these make me feel like they're trying to get me to be a
> traitor to my own kind, by culling me from the herd. What? I'm supposed
> to
> be flattered that you see most blind people as subhuman and I'm just a
> little better than that in your estimation? It really aggravates the
> heck
> out of me. I haven't found an appropriate way to talk/write about this
> one.
> Dr. Maurer in one of his speeches mentioned that his wife's dentist
> asked
> who brushed her teeth for her. All I can say is that we have a long,
> long
> way to go.
> Donna
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:45:55 -0400
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Ah, the imperfections of Spell Check
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Hi Friends,

You've probably heard me say many times that Spell Check can't be trusted. I
swear I'm going to  do an article about it sometime, but meanwhile, here's
an amusing example I found today, as I was Spell-Checking my book. This is
the sentence as I had it, and as it remains:

Block quote

The children were to write lines about Curly Connor's other colors.

Block quote end



Here's what MS Spell Check suggested:

Block quote

The children were to write lines about Curly Connor are other colors.

Block quote end



A classic case of Word's inability to distinguish between possessives and
contractions.

Donna











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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:10:22 EDT
From: LoriStay at aol.com
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] invitation to write
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Supposing we return this list to its proper purpose.   I'd like to invite
anyone who wants to, to contribute their latest work (or excerpt) limiting it
to about 500 words, for critique.

i'll attach something of mine to this to get things started.
Lori
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:14:21 EDT
From: LoriStay at aol.com
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
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Please, everyone.   Refrain from personal attacks!   that is not what this
list is for.
Lori


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:41:44 -0400
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] invitation to write
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Very funny.  You're lucky.  In my house there are no electric shavers.  I
haven't needed one since I took a chemo drug ages ago and my husband threw
his electric razor in the garbage.  I saw a woman once shaving an article of
clothing.  I asked her why she was doing something so crazy.  She told me
she was taking the pimples off her duster.  Didn't this woman ever hear of
clearisil?  Judith
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To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: [stylist] invitation to write


> Supposing we return this list to its proper purpose.   I'd like to invite
> anyone who wants to, to contribute their latest work (or excerpt) limiting
> it
> to about 500 words, for critique.
>
> i'll attach something of mine to this to get things started.
> Lori
>


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:13:00 -0400
From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
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Hi friends,

Brad, Andrea Boccelli(sp?) is blind, isn't he? And seems to me I've read
that Diana Crawl(sp?) is visually impaired. She's certainly well known,
at least in Jazz circles. But I agree that one or more of our Music
Division members need to become stars. I'dcertainly buy your records --
oops, that's CDs -- if you made any. Nowadays it's not that hard I
gather. Anyone can put a video up on YouTube. I don't know if just
anyone can put a file up on iTunes, but it probably wouldn't be hard to
find out. Are you on the MusicTalk list? That's the place to discuss
this matter. We have sound engineers and guys who know about the
intricacies of modern recording as well as musicians and songwriters.

Donna, I'm sorry and distressed to hear of your difficulties, surprised
too. Maybe it is a gender thing. Maybe male club owners and the like
find it easier to accept a blind man than a blind woman. I really can't
imagine what the problem is. I've not been on MusicTalk for some time,
so please forgive me for not knowing this. Have you made a CD? It's not
all that unusual for me to see items on local news and magazine programs
about hometown folks, usually women, who've put out a CD. Of course,
that would involve doing PR, YUCK! But it's something to think about as
an end run around uncooperative venues. Just a thought. I'm a
songwriter, not a musician.

Kerry


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:12:50 -0400
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: <cosmoscat at earthlink.net>,  "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"
        <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
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Hi Kerry,
I supported myself as a musician for over 20 years and put out 3 recordings
(2 of which are on CD). I did all my own PR, and it used to give me a charge
every time the Philadelphia Inquirer printed one of my press releases as if
it were an article written by a staff member. The bulk of my income was from
doing school assemblies, church and library gigs and from street performing.
I occasionally got aregular gig, but not often. I think things must be a bit
better nowadays for blind women, but still there are no blind women in the
mainstream media. Brooke Fox (NYC), who is visually impaired, seems to get a
lot of work, and Lisa Ostrow was doing OK in the easy jazz circle. Mindy
Flegelman Jacobson, who is NFB of NY vice president and is my age, is the
first blind female cantor. Still, none of them are household  words like
Stevy Wonder or Ray Charles.

BTW, it was my early experience doing my own PR which gave me the tools to
do the PR I do for blindness issues. No manager would give me a shot, so it
was do it myself or give up.
Donna


-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Kerry Thompson
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:13 PM
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19

Hi friends,

Brad, Andrea Boccelli(sp?) is blind, isn't he? And seems to me I've read
that Diana Crawl(sp?) is visually impaired. She's certainly well known,
at least in Jazz circles. But I agree that one or more of our Music
Division members need to become stars. I'dcertainly buy your records --
oops, that's CDs -- if you made any. Nowadays it's not that hard I
gather. Anyone can put a video up on YouTube. I don't know if just
anyone can put a file up on iTunes, but it probably wouldn't be hard to
find out. Are you on the MusicTalk list? That's the place to discuss
this matter. We have sound engineers and guys who know about the
intricacies of modern recording as well as musicians and songwriters.

Donna, I'm sorry and distressed to hear of your difficulties, surprised
too. Maybe it is a gender thing. Maybe male club owners and the like
find it easier to accept a blind man than a blind woman. I really can't
imagine what the problem is. I've not been on MusicTalk for some time,
so please forgive me for not knowing this. Have you made a CD? It's not
all that unusual for me to see items on local news and magazine programs
about hometown folks, usually women, who've put out a CD. Of course,
that would involve doing PR, YUCK! But it's something to think about as
an end run around uncooperative venues. Just a thought. I'm a
songwriter, not a musician.

Kerry
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:31:56 -0400
From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
To: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
Cc: cosmoscat at earthlink.net,    'Writer's Division Mailing List'
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Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
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Hi Donna,

Where can I buy your CDs? Will they come up if I search for your name at
Amazon? If so, would it be Donna Hill or Donna W. Hill?

Thanks,
Kerry

On 5/16/2011 4:12 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
> Hi Kerry,
> I supported myself as a musician for over 20 years and put out 3 recordings
> (2 of which are on CD). I did all my own PR, and it used to give me a charge
> every time the Philadelphia Inquirer printed one of my press releases as if
> it were an article written by a staff member. The bulk of my income was from
> doing school assemblies, church and library gigs and from street performing.
> I occasionally got aregular gig, but not often. I think things must be a bit
> better nowadays for blind women, but still there are no blind women in the
> mainstream media. Brooke Fox (NYC), who is visually impaired, seems to get a
> lot of work, and Lisa Ostrow was doing OK in the easy jazz circle. Mindy
> Flegelman Jacobson, who is NFB of NY vice president and is my age, is the
> first blind female cantor. Still, none of them are household  words like
> Stevy Wonder or Ray Charles.
>
> BTW, it was my early experience doing my own PR which gave me the tools to
> do the PR I do for blindness issues. No manager would give me a shot, so it
> was do it myself or give up.
> Donna
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Kerry Thompson
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:13 PM
> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
>
> Hi friends,
>
> Brad, Andrea Boccelli(sp?) is blind, isn't he? And seems to me I've read
> that Diana Crawl(sp?) is visually impaired. She's certainly well known,
> at least in Jazz circles. But I agree that one or more of our Music
> Division members need to become stars. I'dcertainly buy your records --
> oops, that's CDs -- if you made any. Nowadays it's not that hard I
> gather. Anyone can put a video up on YouTube. I don't know if just
> anyone can put a file up on iTunes, but it probably wouldn't be hard to
> find out. Are you on the MusicTalk list? That's the place to discuss
> this matter. We have sound engineers and guys who know about the
> intricacies of modern recording as well as musicians and songwriters.
>
> Donna, I'm sorry and distressed to hear of your difficulties, surprised
> too. Maybe it is a gender thing. Maybe male club owners and the like
> find it easier to accept a blind man than a blind woman. I really can't
> imagine what the problem is. I've not been on MusicTalk for some time,
> so please forgive me for not knowing this. Have you made a CD? It's not
> all that unusual for me to see items on local news and magazine programs
> about hometown folks, usually women, who've put out a CD. Of course,
> that would involve doing PR, YUCK! But it's something to think about as
> an end run around uncooperative venues. Just a thought. I'm a
> songwriter, not a musician.
>
> Kerry
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:28:45 -0400
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
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Hi Friends,

OK, I'm stumped. I'm sure I'm doing this wrong, but can't find an
appropriate commentary on it.



If you are quoting someone who is spelling a word, how is that written?  For
the moment, I'm doing it like this:

"he spelled dog 'd-a-u-g.'"



I'm using an apostrophe as an inner quote here and the hyphen to separate
the letters, but I don't have them italicized or anything. I think I've read
that writing letters of the alphabet should be either italicized or placed
in quotes and that plurals of a letter -- like straight "A"s -- should not
use an apostrophe, but should have the letter in italics or quotes and the s
in regular font.



Any guidance on this would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Donna













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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:10:37 -0400
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: cosmoscat at earthlink.net,    Writer's Division Mailing List
        <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
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I've done several successful PR gigs.  I did the PR for a concert that
raised money for a charity in Israel called, "The one family fund."  They
help people who are victims of terrorism.  They held a Cantorial Concert in
Alice Tully Hall in Lincoln Center in New York.  The concert raised a nice
amount for the fund.  I get a thrill out of telling people that my PR helped
sell out Alice Tully Hall .  Afriend in Israel wrote a book and I did a PR
campaign for her using email addresses I took off the web.  Her publisher
said she sold more copies than other authors in the same genre.  In another
PR campaign I was helpful in getting a woman running for State Supreme Court
Judge re-elected to her position.  I've done other PR gigs but from what I'm
reading now in the field there are other more successful means of getting
more visibility for your clients.  Right now I'm concentrating on what I'll
need to get publicity about my books out there, and maiking contact with the
producers of television and radio shows seems to be the most effective way
of successfully PR ing your project.  Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Thompson" <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
To: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
Cc: <cosmoscat at earthlink.net>; "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"
<stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19


> Hi Donna,
>
> Where can I buy your CDs? Will they come up if I search for your name at
> Amazon? If so, would it be Donna Hill or Donna W. Hill?
>
> Thanks,
> Kerry
>
> On 5/16/2011 4:12 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
>> Hi Kerry,
>> I supported myself as a musician for over 20 years and put out 3
>> recordings
>> (2 of which are on CD). I did all my own PR, and it used to give me a
>> charge
>> every time the Philadelphia Inquirer printed one of my press releases as
>> if
>> it were an article written by a staff member. The bulk of my income was
>> from
>> doing school assemblies, church and library gigs and from street
>> performing.
>> I occasionally got aregular gig, but not often. I think things must be a
>> bit
>> better nowadays for blind women, but still there are no blind women in
>> the
>> mainstream media. Brooke Fox (NYC), who is visually impaired, seems to
>> get a
>> lot of work, and Lisa Ostrow was doing OK in the easy jazz circle. Mindy
>> Flegelman Jacobson, who is NFB of NY vice president and is my age, is the
>> first blind female cantor. Still, none of them are household  words like
>> Stevy Wonder or Ray Charles.
>>
>> BTW, it was my early experience doing my own PR which gave me the tools
>> to
>> do the PR I do for blindness issues. No manager would give me a shot, so
>> it
>> was do it myself or give up.
>> Donna
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Kerry Thompson
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:13 PM
>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
>>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> Brad, Andrea Boccelli(sp?) is blind, isn't he? And seems to me I've read
>> that Diana Crawl(sp?) is visually impaired. She's certainly well known,
>> at least in Jazz circles. But I agree that one or more of our Music
>> Division members need to become stars. I'dcertainly buy your records --
>> oops, that's CDs -- if you made any. Nowadays it's not that hard I
>> gather. Anyone can put a video up on YouTube. I don't know if just
>> anyone can put a file up on iTunes, but it probably wouldn't be hard to
>> find out. Are you on the MusicTalk list? That's the place to discuss
>> this matter. We have sound engineers and guys who know about the
>> intricacies of modern recording as well as musicians and songwriters.
>>
>> Donna, I'm sorry and distressed to hear of your difficulties, surprised
>> too. Maybe it is a gender thing. Maybe male club owners and the like
>> find it easier to accept a blind man than a blind woman. I really can't
>> imagine what the problem is. I've not been on MusicTalk for some time,
>> so please forgive me for not knowing this. Have you made a CD? It's not
>> all that unusual for me to see items on local news and magazine programs
>> about hometown folks, usually women, who've put out a CD. Of course,
>> that would involve doing PR, YUCK! But it's something to think about as
>> an end run around uncooperative venues. Just a thought. I'm a
>> songwriter, not a musician.
>>
>> Kerry
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:31:08 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
Message-ID: <B558A6D9C2E145549DBD421A32FA5026 at JackiLeePoet>
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Pauline,
Thank you so much for your comment. I got on the list about two weeks ago.
and was just preparing to get out again. I have not been able to write
because of reading over 200 e-mails dealing with personal grievances, and
only four having to do with their writing projects.
Perhaps I'll hand in for another few days and see what happens.
Thanks again, Jacqueline Williams

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:50 AM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?

What is going on!?, I thought I joined a upscale writers group, that are
dedicated to improving there skills in writing, and sharing those skills
with all of us, including some very great writing, and very funny stories,
along with some great news, that some of our group are truly writing, and
having those writings published. But instead this rag has been chewed to
death, and has become a personal attack on several of the group. I suggest
that this issue needs to be put to rest, and the real purpose of this group
as I was lead to understand, needs to be returned to. Build your houses
well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:32 PM
Subject: [stylist] Food for thought?


> Way to drive people away.  Judith is absolutely right, I have too much
> going on to care about any of this anymore.  I have no time for
> small-minded people who see only how the world revolves around them.
> Here is my swan song via the lovely words of Judith.
>
> Obviously you enjoy harping on a point and presenting yourself as a
> victim when no one has intentionally been made a victim.  I admitted
> last night that I stood corrected.  But that wasn't good enough for
> Bridget.  You see, Bridget is perfect and all of us lowly human sorts
> have to realize that if we have a discussion Bridget, in her perfection
> will bring up points of the argument that were made yesterday or the day
> before.  You claimed my points were irrelevant to the discussion.
> Bridget, those of us who are less perfect draw on personal experiences.
> I compare a lot to motherhood because that is what I've been for 35
> years.  You're probably about the same age as my  oldest daughter, but
> my daughter has class and doesn't waste her time putting others down
> just so the world will recognize how great she is.  I know you have a
> column in the local paper, are editor of the stylist and are working on
> a college degree.  Nice.  But if you are not a decent human being who
> can accept others as they are without imposing your  private set of
> values all that you do and are working towards are worthless.  I earned
> my degree, raised 5 good kids and had to cope with becoming blind as you
> did.  I don't talk about becoming blind in general.  It is not what I
> represent as a human being.  Blind doesn't begin to define Judith.
> Neither does my white cane.  My cane is a tool to get me safely around
> town.  From the discussion over the past week I assume a guide dog is
> the same.    So Bridget, Take your perfection and pick on people with
> the same narcissistic problem as you.  Judith
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:04:28 -0400
From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
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your welcome, a correction my name is Paul, with a middle ` of E, I do look
for the learning experience of belonging to this very illustrious group.
Build your houses well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?


> Pauline,
> Thank you so much for your comment. I got on the list about two weeks ago.
> and was just preparing to get out again. I have not been able to write
> because of reading over 200 e-mails dealing with personal grievances, and
> only four having to do with their writing projects.
> Perhaps I'll hand in for another few days and see what happens.
> Thanks again, Jacqueline Williams
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:50 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
> What is going on!?, I thought I joined a upscale writers group, that are
> dedicated to improving there skills in writing, and sharing those skills
> with all of us, including some very great writing, and very funny stories,
> along with some great news, that some of our group are truly writing, and
> having those writings published. But instead this rag has been chewed to
> death, and has become a personal attack on several of the group. I suggest
> that this issue needs to be put to rest, and the real purpose of this
> group
> as I was lead to understand, needs to be returned to. Build your houses
> well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:32 PM
> Subject: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
>
>> Way to drive people away.  Judith is absolutely right, I have too much
>> going on to care about any of this anymore.  I have no time for
>> small-minded people who see only how the world revolves around them.
>> Here is my swan song via the lovely words of Judith.
>>
>> Obviously you enjoy harping on a point and presenting yourself as a
>> victim when no one has intentionally been made a victim.  I admitted
>> last night that I stood corrected.  But that wasn't good enough for
>> Bridget.  You see, Bridget is perfect and all of us lowly human sorts
>> have to realize that if we have a discussion Bridget, in her perfection
>> will bring up points of the argument that were made yesterday or the day
>> before.  You claimed my points were irrelevant to the discussion.
>> Bridget, those of us who are less perfect draw on personal experiences.
>> I compare a lot to motherhood because that is what I've been for 35
>> years.  You're probably about the same age as my  oldest daughter, but
>> my daughter has class and doesn't waste her time putting others down
>> just so the world will recognize how great she is.  I know you have a
>> column in the local paper, are editor of the stylist and are working on
>> a college degree.  Nice.  But if you are not a decent human being who
>> can accept others as they are without imposing your  private set of
>> values all that you do and are working towards are worthless.  I earned
>> my degree, raised 5 good kids and had to cope with becoming blind as you
>> did.  I don't talk about becoming blind in general.  It is not what I
>> represent as a human being.  Blind doesn't begin to define Judith.
>> Neither does my white cane.  My cane is a tool to get me safely around
>> town.  From the discussion over the past week I assume a guide dog is
>> the same.    So Bridget, Take your perfection and pick on people with
>> the same narcissistic problem as you.  Judith
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site:
>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:53:18 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
Message-ID: <600D5BE1790046AFA2532BB5C5F3046F at JackiLeePoet>
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Paul,
Thank you for the correction. I am a screen reader user with hearing that is
very deficient. I will work at going word by word on these e-mails. I also
think I caught a spelling error of mine even though I always use it.
I appreciated the conversation about spell checking that someone talked of.
Again, thank you for your suggestion about building a better house.
Jacqui

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:04 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?

your welcome, a correction my name is Paul, with a middle ` of E, I do look
for the learning experience of belonging to this very illustrious group.
Build your houses well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?


> Pauline,
> Thank you so much for your comment. I got on the list about two weeks ago.
> and was just preparing to get out again. I have not been able to write
> because of reading over 200 e-mails dealing with personal grievances, and
> only four having to do with their writing projects.
> Perhaps I'll hand in for another few days and see what happens.
> Thanks again, Jacqueline Williams
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:50 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
> What is going on!?, I thought I joined a upscale writers group, that are
> dedicated to improving there skills in writing, and sharing those skills
> with all of us, including some very great writing, and very funny stories,
> along with some great news, that some of our group are truly writing, and
> having those writings published. But instead this rag has been chewed to
> death, and has become a personal attack on several of the group. I suggest
> that this issue needs to be put to rest, and the real purpose of this
> group
> as I was lead to understand, needs to be returned to. Build your houses
> well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:32 PM
> Subject: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
>
>> Way to drive people away.  Judith is absolutely right, I have too much
>> going on to care about any of this anymore.  I have no time for
>> small-minded people who see only how the world revolves around them.
>> Here is my swan song via the lovely words of Judith.
>>
>> Obviously you enjoy harping on a point and presenting yourself as a
>> victim when no one has intentionally been made a victim.  I admitted
>> last night that I stood corrected.  But that wasn't good enough for
>> Bridget.  You see, Bridget is perfect and all of us lowly human sorts
>> have to realize that if we have a discussion Bridget, in her perfection
>> will bring up points of the argument that were made yesterday or the day
>> before.  You claimed my points were irrelevant to the discussion.
>> Bridget, those of us who are less perfect draw on personal experiences.
>> I compare a lot to motherhood because that is what I've been for 35
>> years.  You're probably about the same age as my  oldest daughter, but
>> my daughter has class and doesn't waste her time putting others down
>> just so the world will recognize how great she is.  I know you have a
>> column in the local paper, are editor of the stylist and are working on
>> a college degree.  Nice.  But if you are not a decent human being who
>> can accept others as they are without imposing your  private set of
>> values all that you do and are working towards are worthless.  I earned
>> my degree, raised 5 good kids and had to cope with becoming blind as you
>> did.  I don't talk about becoming blind in general.  It is not what I
>> represent as a human being.  Blind doesn't begin to define Judith.
>> Neither does my white cane.  My cane is a tool to get me safely around
>> town.  From the discussion over the past week I assume a guide dog is
>> the same.    So Bridget, Take your perfection and pick on people with
>> the same narcissistic problem as you.  Judith
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writers Division web site:
>> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
>>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:27:52 -0400
From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 15
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That's horrible.  Very unfair.

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Donna Hill
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:43 AM
To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 15

Brad and Kerry,
Here's where the male/female differences come into play. Notice that there
aren't any blind women in this list. As a blind musician -- and admittedly
an older one -- I have found it difficult to get true acceptance in the
local music communities where I live. Many people rave over my songs or
voice, but I rarely get an invite to a private party. I've had club owners
say they like my music, but aren't sure people will come out to see "a blind
performer." I've had a lot of great experiences with sighted musicians, but
even the best of them leave me feeling like I'm being held at arm's length.
Donna


-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Dunse'
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:54 PM
To: riter's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 15

Kerri.  I think the blind folks in music world is somewhat an affect,
it just seems to me that a combination of laid back people who like
to get a little deeper in life have probably surmised if I'm gigging,
writing and etc. no one is probably holding my guitar :). I think
they kind of  figured all that out and are passed it other than a few
intelligent genuinely curious  questions which 99 out of a
hunderd  that is answered by "Oh I have a screen reader". :) Besides
Wonder, Milsap, Charles, Feliciano, Healy  have been out of the
mainstream a long time... hey don't ya think its time for another
blind artist to go mainstream?? haahha.

Brad

On 5/15/2011  03:52 PM Kerry Thompson said...
>Hi Friends,
>
>Brad, in your message dated Thu, 12 May 2011 19:25:16 -0500 you say,
>"I will say one thing I've noticed. With the above example the
>exception, The area I have the least issue with where the cane is
>nearly invisible, is anyone in music or songwriting. There is a bond
>or commonality there that allows them to see musician to musician or
>artist to artist without labels."
>
>This doesn't really surprise me. After all, there have always been a
>small but significant number of blind musicians and songwriters.
>We're not unusual in that world.
>
>Natalie, T-shirts and other things of that kind are a really good
>idea. You could sell them on CafePress.
>
>Kerry
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:24:03 -0500
From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
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I think you put the spelling like you did in single quotes.  Come to think
of it, I'm not sure either.
Barbara




Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
F. Kennedy
-----Original Message-----
From: Donna Hill
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:28 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question

Hi Friends,

OK, I'm stumped. I'm sure I'm doing this wrong, but can't find an
appropriate commentary on it.



If you are quoting someone who is spelling a word, how is that written?  For
the moment, I'm doing it like this:

"he spelled dog 'd-a-u-g.'"



I'm using an apostrophe as an inner quote here and the hyphen to separate
the letters, but I don't have them italicized or anything. I think I've read
that writing letters of the alphabet should be either italicized or placed
in quotes and that plurals of a letter -- like straight "A"s -- should not
use an apostrophe, but should have the letter in italics or quotes and the s
in regular font.



Any guidance on this would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Donna













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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 22:00:41 -0500
From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] here's a poem
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Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.

What do you think?



  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM

 By Barbara Hammel



The twins and I went out to play

In world all wet and sparkling gold,

The icy water bit our skin

With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,



The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool

Made one small child begin to quake,

His teeth began to chatter so

And all of him began to shake.



And so out to the swing we went

To find the warmth left in the day,

How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt

As that bench swing began to sway.



The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,

The spicy green of wet, cut grass

Filled every breath I drew within.



The velvet blue of twilight draped

Its cooling curtain over all,

And through that beauty gently swayed

The swing and I and one boy small.



Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

With just a hint of cooling breeze,

He shivered though it wasn't cold,

Beneath the shade of maple trees.



How different air can feel to each

When after swimming in the pool,

I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,

He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.



While riding through the atmosphere,

The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,

As breezes dried him toe to hair.



Then velvet blue of twilight draped

Its curtain cool across the land.

The rhythm of the swing slowed down,

I reached and took his little hand.



And through the beauty walked we two,

This once more warmed up boy and I,

Into the house and put behind

Such fun till sun comes back to sky.







Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John F. Kennedy

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 06:07:22 -0500
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "writers nfb" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] June Writers' Division Telephone Gathering- Poetry
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Our special guest for June, is a prize winning poet, who is a college
instructor and author of several books of poetry. The date for this
gathering is Sunday, June 5th. Below is Margo's BIO and she is wanting
questions to be gathered and sent to her before the meeting in order for her
to prepare her presentation. Please send me, Robert your questions and I
will forward them on to Margo.)respond




Bio Information




Margo LaGattuta, 2005 winner of The Mark Twain Award for her contribution to
Midwestern Literature, has her MFA from Vermont College and four published
collections of poetry, Embracing the Fall, The Dream Givers, Noedgelines,
and Diversion Road. Her poetry and essays have been published in many
national literary magazines and anthologies. She has done
writer-in-the-schools residencies and teacher in-service sessions, both
locally and nationally, for over 20 years and edited eight anthologies for
small presses. In 2002/2003 she received a Michigan Creative Artist's Grant
from ArtServe Michigan to complete her newest poetry collection, Bridge of
Birds. A two-time winner of the Midwest Poetry Award and many National
Federation of State Poetry Societies Awards, including a recent Founders
Award, she was nominated by Naomi Shihab Nye for a Pushcart Prize for her
work in small press publishing. Margo writes for Community Lifestyles in
Rochester, where she creates a weekly creative nonfiction column, articles
and theater reviews. She teaches writing at University of Michigan-Flint,
Baker College and Oakland Community College and conducts creative writing
workshops both locally and nationally.







Robert Leslie Newman

President, Omaha Chapter NFB

President, NFB Writers' Division

Division Website

 <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org

Chair, Newsletter Publication committee

Personal Website-

 <http://www.thoughtprovoker.info/> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info





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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:11:38 -0400
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
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Barbara,
Nice visual imagery.
Donna

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:01 PM
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] here's a poem

Here's a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer
friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.

What do you think?



  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM

 By Barbara Hammel



The twins and I went out to play

In world all wet and sparkling gold,

The icy water bit our skin

With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,



The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool

Made one small child begin to quake,

His teeth began to chatter so

And all of him began to shake.



And so out to the swing we went

To find the warmth left in the day,

How diff'Rent was the breeze we felt

As that bench swing began to sway.



The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,

The spicy green of wet, cut grass

Filled every breath I drew within.



The velvet blue of twilight draped

Its cooling curtain over all,

And through that beauty gently swayed

The swing and I and one boy small.



Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

With just a hint of cooling breeze,

He shivered though it wasn't cold,

Beneath the shade of maple trees.



How different air can feel to each

When after swimming in the pool,

I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,

He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.



While riding through the atmosphere,

The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,

As breezes dried him toe to hair.



Then velvet blue of twilight draped

Its curtain cool across the land.

The rhythm of the swing slowed down,

I reached and took his little hand.



And through the beauty walked we two,

This once more warmed up boy and I,

Into the house and put behind

Such fun till sun comes back to sky.







Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
F. Kennedy
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:26:05 -0400
From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
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Very good!  Is it true?  Judith
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From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:00 PM
Subject: [stylist] here's a poem


> Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer
> friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
>  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
>
> By Barbara Hammel
>
>
>
> The twins and I went out to play
>
> In world all wet and sparkling gold,
>
> The icy water bit our skin
>
> With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
>
>
>
> The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
>
> Made one small child begin to quake,
>
> His teeth began to chatter so
>
> And all of him began to shake.
>
>
>
> And so out to the swing we went
>
> To find the warmth left in the day,
>
> How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt
>
> As that bench swing began to sway.
>
>
>
> The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
>
> The spicy green of wet, cut grass
>
> Filled every breath I drew within.
>
>
>
> The velvet blue of twilight draped
>
> Its cooling curtain over all,
>
> And through that beauty gently swayed
>
> The swing and I and one boy small.
>
>
>
> Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> With just a hint of cooling breeze,
>
> He shivered though it wasn't cold,
>
> Beneath the shade of maple trees.
>
>
>
> How different air can feel to each
>
> When after swimming in the pool,
>
> I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
>
> He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
>
>
>
> While riding through the atmosphere,
>
> The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
>
> As breezes dried him toe to hair.
>
>
>
> Then velvet blue of twilight draped
>
> Its curtain cool across the land.
>
> The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
>
> I reached and took his little hand.
>
>
>
> And through the beauty walked we two,
>
> This once more warmed up boy and I,
>
> Into the house and put behind
>
> Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
> F. Kennedy
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:26:07 -0400
From: "Jacobson, Shawn D" <Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov>
To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List' <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
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Thanks, that was very good.

-----Original Message-----
From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:01 PM
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] here's a poem

Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.

What do you think?



  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM

 By Barbara Hammel



The twins and I went out to play

In world all wet and sparkling gold,

The icy water bit our skin

With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,



The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool

Made one small child begin to quake,

His teeth began to chatter so

And all of him began to shake.



And so out to the swing we went

To find the warmth left in the day,

How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt

As that bench swing began to sway.



The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,

The spicy green of wet, cut grass

Filled every breath I drew within.



The velvet blue of twilight draped

Its cooling curtain over all,

And through that beauty gently swayed

The swing and I and one boy small.



Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

With just a hint of cooling breeze,

He shivered though it wasn't cold,

Beneath the shade of maple trees.



How different air can feel to each

When after swimming in the pool,

I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,

He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.



While riding through the atmosphere,

The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air

Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,

As breezes dried him toe to hair.



Then velvet blue of twilight draped

Its curtain cool across the land.

The rhythm of the swing slowed down,

I reached and took his little hand.



And through the beauty walked we two,

This once more warmed up boy and I,

Into the house and put behind

Such fun till sun comes back to sky.







Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John F. Kennedy
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:33:23 -0500
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
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Barbara

Your imagery sure does make me even more anxious to get our backyard pool open and ready for me to jump in and swim and swim and --- darn the cold, but just swim out to my imaginary island.






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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:49:05 -0500
From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
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I got the phrase "dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air" in my head and after
several tries at using it, this event occurred and it just clicked.  One
child would swim in the middle of winter if he could and the other gets cold
very easily.
This year we're putting up a bigger pool so with life jackets on no one's
feet should touch the bottom--though one is almost tall enough that his toes
may.  Four feet deep will be much nicer than 30 inches for Mama when it's
hot, too.
Barbara





Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
F. Kennedy
-----Original Message-----
From: Judith Bron
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:26 AM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem

Very good!  Is it true?  Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:00 PM
Subject: [stylist] here's a poem


> Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer
> friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
>  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
>
> By Barbara Hammel
>
>
>
> The twins and I went out to play
>
> In world all wet and sparkling gold,
>
> The icy water bit our skin
>
> With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
>
>
>
> The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
>
> Made one small child begin to quake,
>
> His teeth began to chatter so
>
> And all of him began to shake.
>
>
>
> And so out to the swing we went
>
> To find the warmth left in the day,
>
> How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt
>
> As that bench swing began to sway.
>
>
>
> The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
>
> The spicy green of wet, cut grass
>
> Filled every breath I drew within.
>
>
>
> The velvet blue of twilight draped
>
> Its cooling curtain over all,
>
> And through that beauty gently swayed
>
> The swing and I and one boy small.
>
>
>
> Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> With just a hint of cooling breeze,
>
> He shivered though it wasn't cold,
>
> Beneath the shade of maple trees.
>
>
>
> How different air can feel to each
>
> When after swimming in the pool,
>
> I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
>
> He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
>
>
>
> While riding through the atmosphere,
>
> The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
>
> As breezes dried him toe to hair.
>
>
>
> Then velvet blue of twilight draped
>
> Its curtain cool across the land.
>
> The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
>
> I reached and took his little hand.
>
>
>
> And through the beauty walked we two,
>
> This once more warmed up boy and I,
>
> Into the house and put behind
>
> Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
> F. Kennedy
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:30:09 -0500
From: Brad Dunse' <lists at braddunsemusic.com>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
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What nice imagery and emotion in that. Very nice.

Brad

On 5/17/2011  08:26 AM Judith Bron said...
>Very good!  Is it true?  Judith ----- Original
>Message ----- From: "Barbara Hammel"
><poetlori8 at msn.com> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:00 PM Subject:
>[stylist] here's a poem > Here???s a poem I
>wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free
>verse writer > friend of mine heard it today and
>loved it for the mental pictures. > > What do
>you think? > > > >  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST
>SWIM > > By Barbara Hammel > > > > The twins and
>I went out to play > > In world all wet and
>sparkling gold, > > The icy water bit our
>skin > > With diamond pricks of brilliant
>cold, > > > > The freezing, sun-flecked swimming
>pool > > Made one small child begin to
>quake, > > His teeth began to chatter so > > And
>all of him began to shake. > > > > And so out to
>the swing we went > > To find the warmth left in
>the day, > > How diff???Rent was the breeze we
>felt > > As that bench swing began to
>sway. > > > > The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed
>air > > Brushed satin-smooth against my
>skin, > > The spicy green of wet, cut grass > >
>Filled every breath I drew within. > > > > The
>velvet blue of twilight draped > > Its cooling
>curtain over all, > > And through that beauty
>gently swayed > > The swing and I and one boy
>small. > > > > Through dappled, yellow,
>sun-warmed air > > With just a hint of cooling
>breeze, > > He shivered though it wasn't
>cold, > > Beneath the shade of maple
>trees. > > > > How different air can feel to
>each > > When after swimming in the pool, > > I
>feel the yellow, sun-warmed air, > > He feels
>the chill, blue twilight cool. > > > > While
>riding through the atmosphere, > > The dappled,
>yellow, sun-warmed air > > Brushed satin-smooth
>against his skin, > > As breezes dried him toe
>to hair. > > > > Then velvet blue of twilight
>draped > > Its curtain cool across the land. > >
>The rhythm of the swing slowed down, > > I
>reached and took his little hand. > > > > And
>through the beauty walked we two, > > This once
>more warmed up boy and I, > > Into the house and
>put behind > > Such fun till sun comes back to
>sky. > > > > > > > > Let every nation know
>whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall
>pay > any price, bear any burden, meet any
>hardship, support any friend, oppose > any foe,
>in order to assure the survival and the success
>of liberty.--John > F. Kennedy >
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:07:34 -0400
From: loristay at aol.com
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
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Donna, you have the punctuation correct.  I note that it might be a different story if a question mark were involved, putting the question mark between the single and double quotes.  Thought on this has been changing recently, however, and you will find that the UK does it differently in many cases.
Lori





-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question


I think you put the spelling like you did in single quotes.  Come to think of it, I'm not sure either.
Barbara


Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John F. Kennedy
-----Original Message----- From: Donna Hill
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:28 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question

Hi Friends,

OK, I'm stumped. I'm sure I'm doing this wrong, but can't find an
appropriate commentary on it.


If you are quoting someone who is spelling a word, how is that written?  For
the moment, I'm doing it like this:

"he spelled dog 'd-a-u-g.'"


I'm using an apostrophe as an inner quote here and the hyphen to separate
the letters, but I don't have them italicized or anything. I think I've read
that writing letters of the alphabet should be either italicized or placed
in quotes and that plurals of a letter -- like straight "A"s -- should not
use an apostrophe, but should have the letter in italics or quotes and the s
in regular font.


Any guidance on this would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Donna







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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:47:31 -0400
From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
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I'm no expert, but I give that a solid ten. Paul     E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:00 PM
Subject: [stylist] here's a poem


> Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer
> friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
>  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
>
> By Barbara Hammel
>
>
>
> The twins and I went out to play
>
> In world all wet and sparkling gold,
>
> The icy water bit our skin
>
> With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
>
>
>
> The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
>
> Made one small child begin to quake,
>
> His teeth began to chatter so
>
> And all of him began to shake.
>
>
>
> And so out to the swing we went
>
> To find the warmth left in the day,
>
> How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt
>
> As that bench swing began to sway.
>
>
>
> The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
>
> The spicy green of wet, cut grass
>
> Filled every breath I drew within.
>
>
>
> The velvet blue of twilight draped
>
> Its cooling curtain over all,
>
> And through that beauty gently swayed
>
> The swing and I and one boy small.
>
>
>
> Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> With just a hint of cooling breeze,
>
> He shivered though it wasn't cold,
>
> Beneath the shade of maple trees.
>
>
>
> How different air can feel to each
>
> When after swimming in the pool,
>
> I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
>
> He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
>
>
>
> While riding through the atmosphere,
>
> The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
> Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
>
> As breezes dried him toe to hair.
>
>
>
> Then velvet blue of twilight draped
>
> Its curtain cool across the land.
>
> The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
>
> I reached and took his little hand.
>
>
>
> And through the beauty walked we two,
>
> This once more warmed up boy and I,
>
> Into the house and put behind
>
> Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
> F. Kennedy
> _______________________________________________
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