[stylist] Invitation to write

[David Andrews]

Actually, there should be links to attached files in the digests.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 07:37 PM 5/17/2011, you wrote:
>Hello List,
>      As a rule, we should probably copy and paste the text of our 
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> scrubbed from the digest version of this list and it cuts down on 
> potential virus-spreading. Just a though. --Katie W
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>    1. Re: Ignorance and education (Judith Bron)
>    2. Ah, the imperfections of Spell Check (Donna Hill)
>    3. invitation to write (LoriStay at aol.com)
>    4. Re: Food for thought? (LoriStay at aol.com)
>    5. Re: invitation to write (Judith Bron)
>    6. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19 (Kerry Thompson)
>    7. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19 (Donna Hill)
>    8. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19 (Kerry Thompson)
>    9. Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question (Donna Hill)
>   10. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19 (Judith Bron)
>   11. Re: Food for thought? (Jacqueline Williams)
>   12. Re: Food for thought? (PAUL BAVER)
>   13. Re: Food for thought? (Jacqueline Williams)
>   14. Re: stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 15 (Justin Williams)
>   15. Re: Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question (Barbara Hammel)
>   16. here's a poem (Barbara Hammel)
>   17. June Writers' Division Telephone Gathering- Poetry
>       (Robert Leslie Newman)
>   18. Re: here's a poem (Donna Hill)
>   19. Re: here's a poem (Judith Bron)
>   20. Re: here's a poem (Jacobson, Shawn D)
>   21. Re: here's a poem (Robert Leslie Newman)
>   22. Re: here's a poem (Barbara Hammel)
>   23. Re: here's a poem (Brad Dunse')
>   24. Re: Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
>       (loristay at aol.com)
>   25. Re: here's a poem (PAUL BAVER)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:21:28 -0400
>From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Ignorance and education
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>Whoever came up with the phrase, "Ignorance is bliss" must have known people
>who treat the handicapped like total imbeciles.  I love people who say,
>'"How can you be blind.  You don't look blind."  To them I say, "If I looked
>blind would you feel better?"  Then there are the sales clerks who insist on
>pointing to a rack or shelf when I ask where something is.  If I politely
>say, '"I'm sorry, but I'm blind and can't see where you're  pointing.  Can
>you show me where it is?"  They just point again and turn away.  The world
>is full of people like this.  We have no idea what's on their minds and they
>don't have to realize that what they're communicating is insensitive and,
>quite frankly, dumb.  We have no idea if their loved one is criticly ill.
>No idea if the police just called to inform them that their child was picked
>up on drug charges.  No idea if their spouse of many or even a few years
>said "Good bye" last night.  Since none of us have the ability to read
>nminds lets give people we perceive as insensitive and dumb the benefit of
>the doubt.  Judith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Ignorance and education
>
>
> > Bridgit,
> > Your store-clerk and bus-driver stories make my blood boil. I'm afraid I
> > would have made a scene. I don't like being "grabbed" as I perceive it,
> > for
> > a number of reasons. As a guide dog user, I've had people at busy
> > intersections just grab me out of the blue when the light changes. When I
> > lived in Philadelphia, I got into the habit of standing my ground,
> > extracting myself and then waiting for the next light. You only have a
> > split
> > second to determine if the person means you harm, and after some
> > unpleasant
> > incidents, I decided not to take chances. I always try to start off
> > politely, but not wanting help and thinking that we're capable of doing
> > things for ourselves are considered rude no matter how kindly you try to
> > explain yourself. I would tell people that the dog needs to do his job,
> > and
> > unfortunately, if I didn't wait for the next light, it would be setting a
> > bad precedent. Fortunately, no one seems to want to stick around for
> > another
> > change of the traffic lights.
> >
> > On the other hand, I had a friend who was so concerned about making
> > "people
> > who are just trying to help" uncomfortable, that she often allowed herself
> > to be placed on a bus when she was just waiting to cross the street.
> >
> > I don't know how to really handle situations successfully with people who
> > are as ignorant as the store clerk. I want to simply say, "Are you aware
> > how
> > utterly offensive your questions are?" It is that kind of thinking that
> > keeps many educated and capable blind people unemployed. Did you attend
> > the
> > teleconference Robert set up with Braille Monitor editor Gary Wonder? He
> > mentioned a boss who hired him, but later confessed that he almost didn't,
> > because he thought someone on staff would have to help him go to the
> > bathroom and such. Anyway, after 61 years, I can't seem to find the magic
> > attitude that would allow that sort of thing to role off. It's a flaw that
> > I
> > have tried unsuccessfully to deal with.
> >
> > It's also interesting that you see a difference in how you and Ross are
> > treated. That's something I've been aware of since childhood -- my brother
> > is also blind. I like the idea of playing with these folks , but I made
> > something up years ago when someone asked me how I got dressed, and it
> > backfired. I told them that the government paid for someone to come every
> > morning. They thought I was serious.
> > Donna
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:52 PM
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [stylist] Ignorance and education
> >
> > Donna,
> >
> > Though I've encountered questions like this, I fortunately have not had
> > to deal with that level of ignorance much.  It does happen, though, and
> > I've learned to "deal" with it a little better over the years.
> >
> > Ross, the hubby, and I were shopping one day.  We are both blind and
> > both use a cane, as I've mentioned before.  This still doesn't stop
> > people from thinking he is helping me.
> >
> > Anyway, we decided to try some clothes on, and while in the fitting
> > room, a fitting room attendant asked Ross if I needed help in the stall,
> > and when Ross said no, the attendant asked how I would get my clothes
> > on.  Mind you, I was present for this entire conversation.
> >
> > On average, I dress pretty trendy.  I follow fashion trends, and my
> > closet is a rainbow of outfits.  I also usually wear make-up too, and I
> > don't shy away from color here either.  It amazes me that I can be
> > dolled up, but still have people not understand how I got that way.
> >
> > The attendant asked, and I've had others ask this, if Ross dresses me
> > each morning.  I finally answered by saying I wouldn't trust him to
> > dress a monkey.
> >
> > Now, we don't always do stuff like this, but at times, it is too much to
> > resist.  While we continued to try clothes on, the attendant asked
> > question after question.  And not the common sense ones, but things
> > like, "How do you eat?" or, "How do you know if you are wearing the
> > others clothes?"  Which let me say, I wear a size 4 and Ross is a
> > 6-foot, 190 lbs. guy.  This person could clearly see, and yet they
> > believed we got confused over whose clothes were whose.
> >
> > So, after asking Ross how he went blind, Ross grew quiet before saying
> > in a broken voice that during an accident in the lab, there was an
> > explosion, and that is how he lost his sight.  Meanwhile, I'm fighting
> > giggles in my fitting room.
> >
> > Sometimes it's just more fun to make things up than to react to the
> > environment.
> >
> > This situation was frustrating, but for me, this person was so clearly
> > ignorant of more than blindness that it was difficult to not view this
> > in a comedic light.
> >
> > I've been in other situations, though, when decisions were made for me
> > by people who had no clue about blindness.
> >
> > A bus driver passed my stop for home, and the next official stop was a
> > ways off from my house.  Being a "by-the-book" driver, he wouldn't drop
> > me off before the next official stop.
> >
> > The plan was that I would get off the bus, cross the street, and wait
> > for the bus going in the direction back towards my house.  I did not
> > realize that the driver had asked another passenger to walk me across
> > the street.
> >
> > I take the bus often, and I live in the city.  I cross all sorts of
> > streets, and though this was a busy intersection, it was a fairly easy
> > crossing.
> >
> > First, the bus stops in the middle of traffic during rush hour.  I step
> > off and immediately, this woman explains her role.  I assure her that
> > I'm okay, and she relents.  The driver,  freaks, gets off his bus and
> > comes up and grabs my arm.  I explain I'm okay, but he insist it is
> > company policy that he escort, "people like me," across the street.
> > Crossing a busy city street during rush hour is not the time or place
> > for a lesson on blindness, but I did firmly tell him that it is the
> > right of any person to cross a street without help, but he just did not
> > believe me.  Once across, I asked how he thought I'd been getting around
> > all day without his help, to which he said, "I'm not going to get into
> > trouble because you're stubborn."
> >
> > I was fuming, but my bus was waiting so I boarded.  I sat down and to
> > add insult to injury, I over-heard another passenger on the phone say,
> > "The bus was held up because a poor blind girl needed help across the
> > street."
> >
> > I made a complaint to the bus company, though the manager I spoke with
> > did not seem like he thought the ordeal was a big one to complain about.
> >
> > The real funny thing is that Ross, for his job, does
> > disability-awareness training for the bus company at times, and this is
> > one of the issues he addresses.  And we know for a fact that there is no
> > rule about crossing blind people across busy streets.
> >
> > Legislation can be passed, but the public at large is usually unaware of
> > most of these laws.  We try to educate when we can, but, like in my bus
> > scenario, we don't always have the time to educate.  It would be nice if
> > some of these laws were more widely known.
> >
> > Like everyone is aware that it is illegal to discriminate against race
> > or ethnicity.  It still happens, but we know it is against the law.  But
> > not many people are aware of laws providing rights to those with
> > disabilities.  More wide-spread knowledge is necessary when it comes to
> > disabilities.
> >
> > I was sighted for 22 years so when I was thrown into this world of
> > blindness, I was caught off guard by how stupid people suddenly became
> > around me, and people I have known for a long time.  I went from being a
> > regular person to, over night, someone who could not do anything.  The
> > most menial task is now, apparently, tedious, and at times, impossible,
> > for me.  I hate that we are viewed as amazing for accomplishing daily
> > task, like we contain some gene specific to blind people that allows us
> > to do what others couldn't in the same circumstance.
> >
> > I fortunately didn't really struggle with my own blindness.  I didn't
> > see an end to the road, but I realized I needed a few different tools to
> > keep going down the same road.  My struggle has been everyone else's
> > attitudes and ideas.
> >
> > It is one thing to believe blindness limits you, though this thinking is
> > flawed, but, to me, it is another thing to be amazed we can brush our
> > teeth or tie our shoes without help.
> >
> > When I'm told, "Good job," for things like walking down stairs or
> > avoiding objects, I just smile my brightest smile and say, "Good job to
> > you too."
> >
> > This usually throws people off guard, which I like.  *wicked grin*
> >
> > Bridgit
> >
> > Message: 19
> > Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:56:06 -0400
> > From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> > To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 11
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Yes, yes, yes! There are those who marvel at the fact that I can tie my
> > own
> > shoes while "praising" me for being so independent. There's also the
> > "you
> > don't look blind" and "you're doing so well with your handicap; not like
> > ..." Both of these make me feel like they're trying to get me to be a
> > traitor to my own kind, by culling me from the herd. What? I'm supposed
> > to
> > be flattered that you see most blind people as subhuman and I'm just a
> > little better than that in your estimation? It really aggravates the
> > heck
> > out of me. I haven't found an appropriate way to talk/write about this
> > one.
> > Dr. Maurer in one of his speeches mentioned that his wife's dentist
> > asked
> > who brushed her teeth for her. All I can say is that we have a long,
> > long
> > way to go.
> > Donna
> >
> >
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:45:55 -0400
>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: [stylist] Ah, the imperfections of Spell Check
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>Hi Friends,
>
>You've probably heard me say many times that Spell Check can't be trusted. I
>swear I'm going to  do an article about it sometime, but meanwhile, here's
>an amusing example I found today, as I was Spell-Checking my book. This is
>the sentence as I had it, and as it remains:
>
>Block quote
>
>The children were to write lines about Curly Connor's other colors.
>
>Block quote end
>
>
>
>Here's what MS Spell Check suggested:
>
>Block quote
>
>The children were to write lines about Curly Connor are other colors.
>
>Block quote end
>
>
>
>A classic case of Word's inability to distinguish between possessives and
>contractions.
>
>Donna
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:10:22 EDT
>From: LoriStay at aol.com
>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [stylist] invitation to write
>Message-ID: <42d5e.5462594c.3b02c28e at aol.com>
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>Supposing we return this list to its proper purpose.   I'd like to invite
>anyone who wants to, to contribute their latest work (or excerpt) limiting it
>to about 500 words, for critique.
>
>i'll attach something of mine to this to get things started.
>Lori
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>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:14:21 EDT
>From: LoriStay at aol.com
>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>Message-ID: <43168.1edea2df.3b02c37d at aol.com>
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>Please, everyone.   Refrain from personal attacks!   that is not what this
>list is for.
>Lori
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:41:44 -0400
>From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] invitation to write
>Message-ID: <91F05E295E74464AAB74A4DC79E2C106 at dell5150>
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>Very funny.  You're lucky.  In my house there are no electric shavers.  I
>haven't needed one since I took a chemo drug ages ago and my husband threw
>his electric razor in the garbage.  I saw a woman once shaving an article of
>clothing.  I asked her why she was doing something so crazy.  She told me
>she was taking the pimples off her duster.  Didn't this woman ever hear of
>clearisil?  Judith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <LoriStay at aol.com>
>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:10 PM
>Subject: [stylist] invitation to write
>
>
> > Supposing we return this list to its proper purpose.   I'd like to invite
> > anyone who wants to, to contribute their latest work (or excerpt) limiting
> > it
> > to about 500 words, for critique.
> >
> > i'll attach something of mine to this to get things started.
> > Lori
> >
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:13:00 -0400
>From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
>Message-ID: <4DD1773C.9070100 at gmail.com>
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>Hi friends,
>
>Brad, Andrea Boccelli(sp?) is blind, isn't he? And seems to me I've read
>that Diana Crawl(sp?) is visually impaired. She's certainly well known,
>at least in Jazz circles. But I agree that one or more of our Music
>Division members need to become stars. I'dcertainly buy your records --
>oops, that's CDs -- if you made any. Nowadays it's not that hard I
>gather. Anyone can put a video up on YouTube. I don't know if just
>anyone can put a file up on iTunes, but it probably wouldn't be hard to
>find out. Are you on the MusicTalk list? That's the place to discuss
>this matter. We have sound engineers and guys who know about the
>intricacies of modern recording as well as musicians and songwriters.
>
>Donna, I'm sorry and distressed to hear of your difficulties, surprised
>too. Maybe it is a gender thing. Maybe male club owners and the like
>find it easier to accept a blind man than a blind woman. I really can't
>imagine what the problem is. I've not been on MusicTalk for some time,
>so please forgive me for not knowing this. Have you made a CD? It's not
>all that unusual for me to see items on local news and magazine programs
>about hometown folks, usually women, who've put out a CD. Of course,
>that would involve doing PR, YUCK! But it's something to think about as
>an end run around uncooperative venues. Just a thought. I'm a
>songwriter, not a musician.
>
>Kerry
>
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:12:50 -0400
>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>To: <cosmoscat at earthlink.net>,  "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"
>         <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
>Message-ID: <d7f5db$2q3g1v at out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net>
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>Hi Kerry,
>I supported myself as a musician for over 20 years and put out 3 recordings
>(2 of which are on CD). I did all my own PR, and it used to give me a charge
>every time the Philadelphia Inquirer printed one of my press releases as if
>it were an article written by a staff member. The bulk of my income was from
>doing school assemblies, church and library gigs and from street performing.
>I occasionally got aregular gig, but not often. I think things must be a bit
>better nowadays for blind women, but still there are no blind women in the
>mainstream media. Brooke Fox (NYC), who is visually impaired, seems to get a
>lot of work, and Lisa Ostrow was doing OK in the easy jazz circle. Mindy
>Flegelman Jacobson, who is NFB of NY vice president and is my age, is the
>first blind female cantor. Still, none of them are household  words like
>Stevy Wonder or Ray Charles.
>
>BTW, it was my early experience doing my own PR which gave me the tools to
>do the PR I do for blindness issues. No manager would give me a shot, so it
>was do it myself or give up.
>Donna
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Kerry Thompson
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:13 PM
>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
>
>Hi friends,
>
>Brad, Andrea Boccelli(sp?) is blind, isn't he? And seems to me I've read
>that Diana Crawl(sp?) is visually impaired. She's certainly well known,
>at least in Jazz circles. But I agree that one or more of our Music
>Division members need to become stars. I'dcertainly buy your records --
>oops, that's CDs -- if you made any. Nowadays it's not that hard I
>gather. Anyone can put a video up on YouTube. I don't know if just
>anyone can put a file up on iTunes, but it probably wouldn't be hard to
>find out. Are you on the MusicTalk list? That's the place to discuss
>this matter. We have sound engineers and guys who know about the
>intricacies of modern recording as well as musicians and songwriters.
>
>Donna, I'm sorry and distressed to hear of your difficulties, surprised
>too. Maybe it is a gender thing. Maybe male club owners and the like
>find it easier to accept a blind man than a blind woman. I really can't
>imagine what the problem is. I've not been on MusicTalk for some time,
>so please forgive me for not knowing this. Have you made a CD? It's not
>all that unusual for me to see items on local news and magazine programs
>about hometown folks, usually women, who've put out a CD. Of course,
>that would involve doing PR, YUCK! But it's something to think about as
>an end run around uncooperative venues. Just a thought. I'm a
>songwriter, not a musician.
>
>Kerry
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>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:31:56 -0400
>From: Kerry Thompson <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
>To: Donna Hill <penatwork at epix.net>
>Cc: cosmoscat at earthlink.net,    'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>         <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
>Message-ID: <4DD189BC.7010102 at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi Donna,
>
>Where can I buy your CDs? Will they come up if I search for your name at
>Amazon? If so, would it be Donna Hill or Donna W. Hill?
>
>Thanks,
>Kerry
>
>On 5/16/2011 4:12 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
> > Hi Kerry,
> > I supported myself as a musician for over 20 years and put out 3 recordings
> > (2 of which are on CD). I did all my own PR, and it used to give 
> me a charge
> > every time the Philadelphia Inquirer printed one of my press releases as if
> > it were an article written by a staff member. The bulk of my 
> income was from
> > doing school assemblies, church and library gigs and from street 
> performing.
> > I occasionally got aregular gig, but not often. I think things 
> must be a bit
> > better nowadays for blind women, but still there are no blind women in the
> > mainstream media. Brooke Fox (NYC), who is visually impaired, 
> seems to get a
> > lot of work, and Lisa Ostrow was doing OK in the easy jazz circle. Mindy
> > Flegelman Jacobson, who is NFB of NY vice president and is my age, is the
> > first blind female cantor. Still, none of them are household  words like
> > Stevy Wonder or Ray Charles.
> >
> > BTW, it was my early experience doing my own PR which gave me the tools to
> > do the PR I do for blindness issues. No manager would give me a shot, so it
> > was do it myself or give up.
> > Donna
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Kerry Thompson
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:13 PM
> > To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
> >
> > Hi friends,
> >
> > Brad, Andrea Boccelli(sp?) is blind, isn't he? And seems to me I've read
> > that Diana Crawl(sp?) is visually impaired. She's certainly well known,
> > at least in Jazz circles. But I agree that one or more of our Music
> > Division members need to become stars. I'dcertainly buy your records --
> > oops, that's CDs -- if you made any. Nowadays it's not that hard I
> > gather. Anyone can put a video up on YouTube. I don't know if just
> > anyone can put a file up on iTunes, but it probably wouldn't be hard to
> > find out. Are you on the MusicTalk list? That's the place to discuss
> > this matter. We have sound engineers and guys who know about the
> > intricacies of modern recording as well as musicians and songwriters.
> >
> > Donna, I'm sorry and distressed to hear of your difficulties, surprised
> > too. Maybe it is a gender thing. Maybe male club owners and the like
> > find it easier to accept a blind man than a blind woman. I really can't
> > imagine what the problem is. I've not been on MusicTalk for some time,
> > so please forgive me for not knowing this. Have you made a CD? It's not
> > all that unusual for me to see items on local news and magazine programs
> > about hometown folks, usually women, who've put out a CD. Of course,
> > that would involve doing PR, YUCK! But it's something to think about as
> > an end run around uncooperative venues. Just a thought. I'm a
> > songwriter, not a musician.
> >
> > Kerry
> > _______________________________________________
> > Writers Division web site:
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:28:45 -0400
>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
>Message-ID: <d7f5db$2q4p6g at out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Hi Friends,
>
>OK, I'm stumped. I'm sure I'm doing this wrong, but can't find an
>appropriate commentary on it.
>
>
>
>If you are quoting someone who is spelling a word, how is that written?  For
>the moment, I'm doing it like this:
>
>"he spelled dog 'd-a-u-g.'"
>
>
>
>I'm using an apostrophe as an inner quote here and the hyphen to separate
>the letters, but I don't have them italicized or anything. I think I've read
>that writing letters of the alphabet should be either italicized or placed
>in quotes and that plurals of a letter -- like straight "A"s -- should not
>use an apostrophe, but should have the letter in italics or quotes and the s
>in regular font.
>
>
>
>Any guidance on this would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Donna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:10:37 -0400
>From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>To: cosmoscat at earthlink.net,    Writer's Division Mailing List
>         <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
>Message-ID: <E8F5982A965D4347A7CFD2C244D98BE9 at dell5150>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>         reply-type=response
>
>I've done several successful PR gigs.  I did the PR for a concert that
>raised money for a charity in Israel called, "The one family fund."  They
>help people who are victims of terrorism.  They held a Cantorial Concert in
>Alice Tully Hall in Lincoln Center in New York.  The concert raised a nice
>amount for the fund.  I get a thrill out of telling people that my PR helped
>sell out Alice Tully Hall .  Afriend in Israel wrote a book and I did a PR
>campaign for her using email addresses I took off the web.  Her publisher
>said she sold more copies than other authors in the same genre.  In another
>PR campaign I was helpful in getting a woman running for State Supreme Court
>Judge re-elected to her position.  I've done other PR gigs but from what I'm
>reading now in the field there are other more successful means of getting
>more visibility for your clients.  Right now I'm concentrating on what I'll
>need to get publicity about my books out there, and maiking contact with the
>producers of television and radio shows seems to be the most effective way
>of successfully PR ing your project.  Judith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kerry Thompson" <kethompson1964 at gmail.com>
>To: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>Cc: <cosmoscat at earthlink.net>; "'Writer's Division Mailing List'"
><stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
>
>
> > Hi Donna,
> >
> > Where can I buy your CDs? Will they come up if I search for your name at
> > Amazon? If so, would it be Donna Hill or Donna W. Hill?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kerry
> >
> > On 5/16/2011 4:12 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
> >> Hi Kerry,
> >> I supported myself as a musician for over 20 years and put out 3
> >> recordings
> >> (2 of which are on CD). I did all my own PR, and it used to give me a
> >> charge
> >> every time the Philadelphia Inquirer printed one of my press releases as
> >> if
> >> it were an article written by a staff member. The bulk of my income was
> >> from
> >> doing school assemblies, church and library gigs and from street
> >> performing.
> >> I occasionally got aregular gig, but not often. I think things must be a
> >> bit
> >> better nowadays for blind women, but still there are no blind women in
> >> the
> >> mainstream media. Brooke Fox (NYC), who is visually impaired, seems to
> >> get a
> >> lot of work, and Lisa Ostrow was doing OK in the easy jazz circle. Mindy
> >> Flegelman Jacobson, who is NFB of NY vice president and is my age, is the
> >> first blind female cantor. Still, none of them are household  words like
> >> Stevy Wonder or Ray Charles.
> >>
> >> BTW, it was my early experience doing my own PR which gave me the tools
> >> to
> >> do the PR I do for blindness issues. No manager would give me a shot, so
> >> it
> >> was do it myself or give up.
> >> Donna
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Kerry Thompson
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:13 PM
> >> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 19
> >>
> >> Hi friends,
> >>
> >> Brad, Andrea Boccelli(sp?) is blind, isn't he? And seems to me I've read
> >> that Diana Crawl(sp?) is visually impaired. She's certainly well known,
> >> at least in Jazz circles. But I agree that one or more of our Music
> >> Division members need to become stars. I'dcertainly buy your records --
> >> oops, that's CDs -- if you made any. Nowadays it's not that hard I
> >> gather. Anyone can put a video up on YouTube. I don't know if just
> >> anyone can put a file up on iTunes, but it probably wouldn't be hard to
> >> find out. Are you on the MusicTalk list? That's the place to discuss
> >> this matter. We have sound engineers and guys who know about the
> >> intricacies of modern recording as well as musicians and songwriters.
> >>
> >> Donna, I'm sorry and distressed to hear of your difficulties, surprised
> >> too. Maybe it is a gender thing. Maybe male club owners and the like
> >> find it easier to accept a blind man than a blind woman. I really can't
> >> imagine what the problem is. I've not been on MusicTalk for some time,
> >> so please forgive me for not knowing this. Have you made a CD? It's not
> >> all that unusual for me to see items on local news and magazine programs
> >> about hometown folks, usually women, who've put out a CD. Of course,
> >> that would involve doing PR, YUCK! But it's something to think about as
> >> an end run around uncooperative venues. Just a thought. I'm a
> >> songwriter, not a musician.
> >>
> >> Kerry
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site:
> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >>
> >> stylist mailing list
> >> stylist at nfbnet.org
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> >> stylist:
> >> 
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>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:31:08 -0700
>From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>Message-ID: <B558A6D9C2E145549DBD421A32FA5026 at JackiLeePoet>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Pauline,
>Thank you so much for your comment. I got on the list about two weeks ago.
>and was just preparing to get out again. I have not been able to write
>because of reading over 200 e-mails dealing with personal grievances, and
>only four having to do with their writing projects.
>Perhaps I'll hand in for another few days and see what happens.
>Thanks again, Jacqueline Williams
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:50 AM
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
>What is going on!?, I thought I joined a upscale writers group, that are
>dedicated to improving there skills in writing, and sharing those skills
>with all of us, including some very great writing, and very funny stories,
>along with some great news, that some of our group are truly writing, and
>having those writings published. But instead this rag has been chewed to
>death, and has become a personal attack on several of the group. I suggest
>that this issue needs to be put to rest, and the real purpose of this group
>as I was lead to understand, needs to be returned to. Build your houses
>well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:32 PM
>Subject: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
>
> > Way to drive people away.  Judith is absolutely right, I have too much
> > going on to care about any of this anymore.  I have no time for
> > small-minded people who see only how the world revolves around them.
> > Here is my swan song via the lovely words of Judith.
> >
> > Obviously you enjoy harping on a point and presenting yourself as a
> > victim when no one has intentionally been made a victim.  I admitted
> > last night that I stood corrected.  But that wasn't good enough for
> > Bridget.  You see, Bridget is perfect and all of us lowly human sorts
> > have to realize that if we have a discussion Bridget, in her perfection
> > will bring up points of the argument that were made yesterday or the day
> > before.  You claimed my points were irrelevant to the discussion.
> > Bridget, those of us who are less perfect draw on personal experiences.
> > I compare a lot to motherhood because that is what I've been for 35
> > years.  You're probably about the same age as my  oldest daughter, but
> > my daughter has class and doesn't waste her time putting others down
> > just so the world will recognize how great she is.  I know you have a
> > column in the local paper, are editor of the stylist and are working on
> > a college degree.  Nice.  But if you are not a decent human being who
> > can accept others as they are without imposing your  private set of
> > values all that you do and are working towards are worthless.  I earned
> > my degree, raised 5 good kids and had to cope with becoming blind as you
> > did.  I don't talk about becoming blind in general.  It is not what I
> > represent as a human being.  Blind doesn't begin to define Judith.
> > Neither does my white cane.  My cane is a tool to get me safely around
> > town.  From the discussion over the past week I assume a guide dog is
> > the same.    So Bridget, Take your perfection and pick on people with
> > the same narcissistic problem as you.  Judith
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Writers Division web site:
> > http://www.nfb-writers-division.org <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >
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> > stylist at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/stylist_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>et
> >
>
>
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>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:04:28 -0400
>From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>Message-ID: <C195FFF4880042E2A7803C8B479729C8 at DENNEY>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>         reply-type=original
>
>your welcome, a correction my name is Paul, with a middle ` of E, I do look
>for the learning experience of belonging to this very illustrious group.
>Build your houses well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
>
> > Pauline,
> > Thank you so much for your comment. I got on the list about two weeks ago.
> > and was just preparing to get out again. I have not been able to write
> > because of reading over 200 e-mails dealing with personal grievances, and
> > only four having to do with their writing projects.
> > Perhaps I'll hand in for another few days and see what happens.
> > Thanks again, Jacqueline Williams
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:50 AM
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
> >
> > What is going on!?, I thought I joined a upscale writers group, that are
> > dedicated to improving there skills in writing, and sharing those skills
> > with all of us, including some very great writing, and very funny stories,
> > along with some great news, that some of our group are truly writing, and
> > having those writings published. But instead this rag has been chewed to
> > death, and has become a personal attack on several of the group. I suggest
> > that this issue needs to be put to rest, and the real purpose of this
> > group
> > as I was lead to understand, needs to be returned to. Build your houses
> > well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:32 PM
> > Subject: [stylist] Food for thought?
> >
> >
> >> Way to drive people away.  Judith is absolutely right, I have too much
> >> going on to care about any of this anymore.  I have no time for
> >> small-minded people who see only how the world revolves around them.
> >> Here is my swan song via the lovely words of Judith.
> >>
> >> Obviously you enjoy harping on a point and presenting yourself as a
> >> victim when no one has intentionally been made a victim.  I admitted
> >> last night that I stood corrected.  But that wasn't good enough for
> >> Bridget.  You see, Bridget is perfect and all of us lowly human sorts
> >> have to realize that if we have a discussion Bridget, in her perfection
> >> will bring up points of the argument that were made yesterday or the day
> >> before.  You claimed my points were irrelevant to the discussion.
> >> Bridget, those of us who are less perfect draw on personal experiences.
> >> I compare a lot to motherhood because that is what I've been for 35
> >> years.  You're probably about the same age as my  oldest daughter, but
> >> my daughter has class and doesn't waste her time putting others down
> >> just so the world will recognize how great she is.  I know you have a
> >> column in the local paper, are editor of the stylist and are working on
> >> a college degree.  Nice.  But if you are not a decent human being who
> >> can accept others as they are without imposing your  private set of
> >> values all that you do and are working towards are worthless.  I earned
> >> my degree, raised 5 good kids and had to cope with becoming blind as you
> >> did.  I don't talk about becoming blind in general.  It is not what I
> >> represent as a human being.  Blind doesn't begin to define Judith.
> >> Neither does my white cane.  My cane is a tool to get me safely around
> >> town.  From the discussion over the past week I assume a guide dog is
> >> the same.    So Bridget, Take your perfection and pick on people with
> >> the same narcissistic problem as you.  Judith
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writers Division web site:
> >> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
> >> <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/>
> >>
> >> stylist mailing list
> >> stylist at nfbnet.org
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> > et
> >>
> >
> >
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>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:53:18 -0700
>From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>Message-ID: <600D5BE1790046AFA2532BB5C5F3046F at JackiLeePoet>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Paul,
>Thank you for the correction. I am a screen reader user with hearing that is
>very deficient. I will work at going word by word on these e-mails. I also
>think I caught a spelling error of mine even though I always use it.
>I appreciated the conversation about spell checking that someone talked of.
>Again, thank you for your suggestion about building a better house.
>Jacqui
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:04 PM
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
>your welcome, a correction my name is Paul, with a middle ` of E, I do look
>for the learning experience of belonging to this very illustrious group.
>Build your houses well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
>
>
> > Pauline,
> > Thank you so much for your comment. I got on the list about two weeks ago.
> > and was just preparing to get out again. I have not been able to write
> > because of reading over 200 e-mails dealing with personal grievances, and
> > only four having to do with their writing projects.
> > Perhaps I'll hand in for another few days and see what happens.
> > Thanks again, Jacqueline Williams
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of PAUL BAVER
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:50 AM
> > To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [stylist] Food for thought?
> >
> > What is going on!?, I thought I joined a upscale writers group, that are
> > dedicated to improving there skills in writing, and sharing those skills
> > with all of us, including some very great writing, and very funny stories,
> > along with some great news, that some of our group are truly writing, and
> > having those writings published. But instead this rag has been chewed to
> > death, and has become a personal attack on several of the group. I suggest
> > that this issue needs to be put to rest, and the real purpose of this
> > group
> > as I was lead to understand, needs to be returned to. Build your houses
> > well, make a difference, Paul E Baver.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> > To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:32 PM
> > Subject: [stylist] Food for thought?
> >
> >
> >> Way to drive people away.  Judith is absolutely right, I have too much
> >> going on to care about any of this anymore.  I have no time for
> >> small-minded people who see only how the world revolves around them.
> >> Here is my swan song via the lovely words of Judith.
> >>
> >> Obviously you enjoy harping on a point and presenting yourself as a
> >> victim when no one has intentionally been made a victim.  I admitted
> >> last night that I stood corrected.  But that wasn't good enough for
> >> Bridget.  You see, Bridget is perfect and all of us lowly human sorts
> >> have to realize that if we have a discussion Bridget, in her perfection
> >> will bring up points of the argument that were made yesterday or the day
> >> before.  You claimed my points were irrelevant to the discussion.
> >> Bridget, those of us who are less perfect draw on personal experiences.
> >> I compare a lot to motherhood because that is what I've been for 35
> >> years.  You're probably about the same age as my  oldest daughter, but
> >> my daughter has class and doesn't waste her time putting others down
> >> just so the world will recognize how great she is.  I know you have a
> >> column in the local paper, are editor of the stylist and are working on
> >> a college degree.  Nice.  But if you are not a decent human being who
> >> can accept others as they are without imposing your  private set of
> >> values all that you do and are working towards are worthless.  I earned
> >> my degree, raised 5 good kids and had to cope with becoming blind as you
> >> did.  I don't talk about becoming blind in general.  It is not what I
> >> represent as a human being.  Blind doesn't begin to define Judith.
> >> Neither does my white cane.  My cane is a tool to get me safely around
> >> town.  From the discussion over the past week I assume a guide dog is
> >> the same.    So Bridget, Take your perfection and pick on people with
> >> the same narcissistic problem as you.  Judith
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:27:52 -0400
>From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 15
>Message-ID: <005b01cc1431$a458fc70$ed0af550$@williams2 at gmail.com>
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>That's horrible.  Very unfair.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Donna Hill
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:43 AM
>To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 15
>
>Brad and Kerry,
>Here's where the male/female differences come into play. Notice that there
>aren't any blind women in this list. As a blind musician -- and admittedly
>an older one -- I have found it difficult to get true acceptance in the
>local music communities where I live. Many people rave over my songs or
>voice, but I rarely get an invite to a private party. I've had club owners
>say they like my music, but aren't sure people will come out to see "a blind
>performer." I've had a lot of great experiences with sighted musicians, but
>even the best of them leave me feeling like I'm being held at arm's length.
>Donna
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Brad Dunse'
>Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:54 PM
>To: riter's Division Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [stylist] stylist Digest, Vol 85, Issue 15
>
>Kerri.  I think the blind folks in music world is somewhat an affect,
>it just seems to me that a combination of laid back people who like
>to get a little deeper in life have probably surmised if I'm gigging,
>writing and etc. no one is probably holding my guitar :). I think
>they kind of  figured all that out and are passed it other than a few
>intelligent genuinely curious  questions which 99 out of a
>hunderd  that is answered by "Oh I have a screen reader". :) Besides
>Wonder, Milsap, Charles, Feliciano, Healy  have been out of the
>mainstream a long time... hey don't ya think its time for another
>blind artist to go mainstream?? haahha.
>
>Brad
>
>On 5/15/2011  03:52 PM Kerry Thompson said...
> >Hi Friends,
> >
> >Brad, in your message dated Thu, 12 May 2011 19:25:16 -0500 you say,
> >"I will say one thing I've noticed. With the above example the
> >exception, The area I have the least issue with where the cane is
> >nearly invisible, is anyone in music or songwriting. There is a bond
> >or commonality there that allows them to see musician to musician or
> >artist to artist without labels."
> >
> >This doesn't really surprise me. After all, there have always been a
> >small but significant number of blind musicians and songwriters.
> >We're not unusual in that world.
> >
> >Natalie, T-shirts and other things of that kind are a really good
> >idea. You could sell them on CafePress.
> >
> >Kerry
> >_______________________________________________
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>Brad Dunse
>
>Music is the only language in which you cannot say a mean or sarcastic thing
>
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>Message: 15
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:24:03 -0500
>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
>Message-ID: <SNT139-ds19374AC80C93C23CD06249EB8C0 at phx.gbl>
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>         reply-type=original
>
>I think you put the spelling like you did in single quotes.  Come to think
>of it, I'm not sure either.
>Barbara
>
>
>
>
>Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
>any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
>any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
>F. Kennedy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Donna Hill
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:28 PM
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
>
>Hi Friends,
>
>OK, I'm stumped. I'm sure I'm doing this wrong, but can't find an
>appropriate commentary on it.
>
>
>
>If you are quoting someone who is spelling a word, how is that written?  For
>the moment, I'm doing it like this:
>
>"he spelled dog 'd-a-u-g.'"
>
>
>
>I'm using an apostrophe as an inner quote here and the hyphen to separate
>the letters, but I don't have them italicized or anything. I think I've read
>that writing letters of the alphabet should be either italicized or placed
>in quotes and that plurals of a letter -- like straight "A"s -- should not
>use an apostrophe, but should have the letter in italics or quotes and the s
>in regular font.
>
>
>
>Any guidance on this would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Donna
>
>
>
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>Message: 16
>Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 22:00:41 -0500
>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: [stylist] here's a poem
>Message-ID: <SNT139-ds21782F5DD0AE10CDBF69AFEB8C0 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"
>
>Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse 
>writer friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
>
>What do you think?
>
>
>
>   EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
>
>  By Barbara Hammel
>
>
>
>The twins and I went out to play
>
>In world all wet and sparkling gold,
>
>The icy water bit our skin
>
>With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
>
>
>
>The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
>
>Made one small child begin to quake,
>
>His teeth began to chatter so
>
>And all of him began to shake.
>
>
>
>And so out to the swing we went
>
>To find the warmth left in the day,
>
>How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt
>
>As that bench swing began to sway.
>
>
>
>The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
>
>The spicy green of wet, cut grass
>
>Filled every breath I drew within.
>
>
>
>The velvet blue of twilight draped
>
>Its cooling curtain over all,
>
>And through that beauty gently swayed
>
>The swing and I and one boy small.
>
>
>
>Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>With just a hint of cooling breeze,
>
>He shivered though it wasn't cold,
>
>Beneath the shade of maple trees.
>
>
>
>How different air can feel to each
>
>When after swimming in the pool,
>
>I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
>
>He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
>
>
>
>While riding through the atmosphere,
>
>The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
>
>As breezes dried him toe to hair.
>
>
>
>Then velvet blue of twilight draped
>
>Its curtain cool across the land.
>
>The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
>
>I reached and took his little hand.
>
>
>
>And through the beauty walked we two,
>
>This once more warmed up boy and I,
>
>Into the house and put behind
>
>Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we 
>shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any 
>friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the 
>success of liberty.--John F. Kennedy
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 17
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 06:07:22 -0500
>From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>To: "writers nfb" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: [stylist] June Writers' Division Telephone Gathering- Poetry
>Message-ID: <000001cc1482$a1594d30$e40be790$@cox.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Our special guest for June, is a prize winning poet, who is a college
>instructor and author of several books of poetry. The date for this
>gathering is Sunday, June 5th. Below is Margo's BIO and she is wanting
>questions to be gathered and sent to her before the meeting in order for her
>to prepare her presentation. Please send me, Robert your questions and I
>will forward them on to Margo.)respond
>
>
>
>
>Bio Information
>
>
>
>
>Margo LaGattuta, 2005 winner of The Mark Twain Award for her contribution to
>Midwestern Literature, has her MFA from Vermont College and four published
>collections of poetry, Embracing the Fall, The Dream Givers, Noedgelines,
>and Diversion Road. Her poetry and essays have been published in many
>national literary magazines and anthologies. She has done
>writer-in-the-schools residencies and teacher in-service sessions, both
>locally and nationally, for over 20 years and edited eight anthologies for
>small presses. In 2002/2003 she received a Michigan Creative Artist's Grant
>from ArtServe Michigan to complete her newest poetry collection, Bridge of
>Birds. A two-time winner of the Midwest Poetry Award and many National
>Federation of State Poetry Societies Awards, including a recent Founders
>Award, she was nominated by Naomi Shihab Nye for a Pushcart Prize for her
>work in small press publishing. Margo writes for Community Lifestyles in
>Rochester, where she creates a weekly creative nonfiction column, articles
>and theater reviews. She teaches writing at University of Michigan-Flint,
>Baker College and Oakland Community College and conducts creative writing
>workshops both locally and nationally.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Robert Leslie Newman
>
>President, Omaha Chapter NFB
>
>President, NFB Writers' Division
>
>Division Website
>
>  <http://www.nfb-writers-division.org/> http://www.nfb-writers-division.org
>
>Chair, Newsletter Publication committee
>
>Personal Website-
>
>  <http://www.thoughtprovoker.info/> http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 18
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:11:38 -0400
>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
>Message-ID: <d7f5db$2qc3pv at out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Barbara,
>Nice visual imagery.
>Donna
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:01 PM
>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [stylist] here's a poem
>
>Here's a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer
>friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
>
>What do you think?
>
>
>
>   EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
>
>  By Barbara Hammel
>
>
>
>The twins and I went out to play
>
>In world all wet and sparkling gold,
>
>The icy water bit our skin
>
>With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
>
>
>
>The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
>
>Made one small child begin to quake,
>
>His teeth began to chatter so
>
>And all of him began to shake.
>
>
>
>And so out to the swing we went
>
>To find the warmth left in the day,
>
>How diff'Rent was the breeze we felt
>
>As that bench swing began to sway.
>
>
>
>The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
>
>The spicy green of wet, cut grass
>
>Filled every breath I drew within.
>
>
>
>The velvet blue of twilight draped
>
>Its cooling curtain over all,
>
>And through that beauty gently swayed
>
>The swing and I and one boy small.
>
>
>
>Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>With just a hint of cooling breeze,
>
>He shivered though it wasn't cold,
>
>Beneath the shade of maple trees.
>
>
>
>How different air can feel to each
>
>When after swimming in the pool,
>
>I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
>
>He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
>
>
>
>While riding through the atmosphere,
>
>The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
>
>As breezes dried him toe to hair.
>
>
>
>Then velvet blue of twilight draped
>
>Its curtain cool across the land.
>
>The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
>
>I reached and took his little hand.
>
>
>
>And through the beauty walked we two,
>
>This once more warmed up boy and I,
>
>Into the house and put behind
>
>Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
>any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
>any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
>F. Kennedy
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>Message: 19
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:26:05 -0400
>From: Judith Bron <jbron at optonline.net>
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
>Message-ID: <0225005DED814782ABB5F180FAAEE146 at dell5150>
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>
>Very good!  Is it true?  Judith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:00 PM
>Subject: [stylist] here's a poem
>
>
> > Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer
> > friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> >  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
> >
> > By Barbara Hammel
> >
> >
> >
> > The twins and I went out to play
> >
> > In world all wet and sparkling gold,
> >
> > The icy water bit our skin
> >
> > With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
> >
> >
> >
> > The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
> >
> > Made one small child begin to quake,
> >
> > His teeth began to chatter so
> >
> > And all of him began to shake.
> >
> >
> >
> > And so out to the swing we went
> >
> > To find the warmth left in the day,
> >
> > How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt
> >
> > As that bench swing began to sway.
> >
> >
> >
> > The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
> >
> > The spicy green of wet, cut grass
> >
> > Filled every breath I drew within.
> >
> >
> >
> > The velvet blue of twilight draped
> >
> > Its cooling curtain over all,
> >
> > And through that beauty gently swayed
> >
> > The swing and I and one boy small.
> >
> >
> >
> > Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > With just a hint of cooling breeze,
> >
> > He shivered though it wasn't cold,
> >
> > Beneath the shade of maple trees.
> >
> >
> >
> > How different air can feel to each
> >
> > When after swimming in the pool,
> >
> > I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
> >
> > He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
> >
> >
> >
> > While riding through the atmosphere,
> >
> > The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
> >
> > As breezes dried him toe to hair.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then velvet blue of twilight draped
> >
> > Its curtain cool across the land.
> >
> > The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
> >
> > I reached and took his little hand.
> >
> >
> >
> > And through the beauty walked we two,
> >
> > This once more warmed up boy and I,
> >
> > Into the house and put behind
> >
> > Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
> > any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
> > any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
> > F. Kennedy
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>Message: 20
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:26:07 -0400
>From: "Jacobson, Shawn D" <Shawn.D.Jacobson at hud.gov>
>To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List' <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
>Message-ID:
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>
>Thanks, that was very good.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>On Behalf Of Barbara Hammel
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:01 PM
>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [stylist] here's a poem
>
>Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse 
>writer friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
>
>What do you think?
>
>
>
>   EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
>
>  By Barbara Hammel
>
>
>
>The twins and I went out to play
>
>In world all wet and sparkling gold,
>
>The icy water bit our skin
>
>With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
>
>
>
>The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
>
>Made one small child begin to quake,
>
>His teeth began to chatter so
>
>And all of him began to shake.
>
>
>
>And so out to the swing we went
>
>To find the warmth left in the day,
>
>How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt
>
>As that bench swing began to sway.
>
>
>
>The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
>
>The spicy green of wet, cut grass
>
>Filled every breath I drew within.
>
>
>
>The velvet blue of twilight draped
>
>Its cooling curtain over all,
>
>And through that beauty gently swayed
>
>The swing and I and one boy small.
>
>
>
>Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>With just a hint of cooling breeze,
>
>He shivered though it wasn't cold,
>
>Beneath the shade of maple trees.
>
>
>
>How different air can feel to each
>
>When after swimming in the pool,
>
>I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
>
>He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
>
>
>
>While riding through the atmosphere,
>
>The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
>
>Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
>
>As breezes dried him toe to hair.
>
>
>
>Then velvet blue of twilight draped
>
>Its curtain cool across the land.
>
>The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
>
>I reached and took his little hand.
>
>
>
>And through the beauty walked we two,
>
>This once more warmed up boy and I,
>
>Into the house and put behind
>
>Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we 
>shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any 
>friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the 
>success of liberty.--John F. Kennedy
>_______________________________________________
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>Message: 21
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:33:23 -0500
>From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
>Message-ID: <004e01cc1496$febdc000$fc394000$@cox.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"
>
>Barbara
>
>Your imagery sure does make me even more anxious to get our backyard 
>pool open and ready for me to jump in and swim and swim and --- darn 
>the cold, but just swim out to my imaginary island.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 22
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:49:05 -0500
>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
>Message-ID: <SNT139-ds19D1EDAC1A6E874B4DF2ADEB8C0 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>         reply-type=response
>
>I got the phrase "dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air" in my head and after
>several tries at using it, this event occurred and it just clicked.  One
>child would swim in the middle of winter if he could and the other gets cold
>very easily.
>This year we're putting up a bigger pool so with life jackets on no one's
>feet should touch the bottom--though one is almost tall enough that his toes
>may.  Four feet deep will be much nicer than 30 inches for Mama when it's
>hot, too.
>Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
>Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
>any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
>any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
>F. Kennedy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Judith Bron
>Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:26 AM
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
>
>Very good!  Is it true?  Judith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:00 PM
>Subject: [stylist] here's a poem
>
>
> > Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer
> > friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> >  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
> >
> > By Barbara Hammel
> >
> >
> >
> > The twins and I went out to play
> >
> > In world all wet and sparkling gold,
> >
> > The icy water bit our skin
> >
> > With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
> >
> >
> >
> > The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
> >
> > Made one small child begin to quake,
> >
> > His teeth began to chatter so
> >
> > And all of him began to shake.
> >
> >
> >
> > And so out to the swing we went
> >
> > To find the warmth left in the day,
> >
> > How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt
> >
> > As that bench swing began to sway.
> >
> >
> >
> > The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
> >
> > The spicy green of wet, cut grass
> >
> > Filled every breath I drew within.
> >
> >
> >
> > The velvet blue of twilight draped
> >
> > Its cooling curtain over all,
> >
> > And through that beauty gently swayed
> >
> > The swing and I and one boy small.
> >
> >
> >
> > Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > With just a hint of cooling breeze,
> >
> > He shivered though it wasn't cold,
> >
> > Beneath the shade of maple trees.
> >
> >
> >
> > How different air can feel to each
> >
> > When after swimming in the pool,
> >
> > I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
> >
> > He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
> >
> >
> >
> > While riding through the atmosphere,
> >
> > The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
> >
> > As breezes dried him toe to hair.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then velvet blue of twilight draped
> >
> > Its curtain cool across the land.
> >
> > The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
> >
> > I reached and took his little hand.
> >
> >
> >
> > And through the beauty walked we two,
> >
> > This once more warmed up boy and I,
> >
> > Into the house and put behind
> >
> > Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
> > any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
> > any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
> > F. Kennedy
> > _______________________________________________
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>Message: 23
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:30:09 -0500
>From: Brad Dunse' <lists at braddunsemusic.com>
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
>Message-ID: <130564621878922291 at t14.hostbaby.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
>What nice imagery and emotion in that. Very nice.
>
>Brad
>
>On 5/17/2011  08:26 AM Judith Bron said...
> >Very good!  Is it true?  Judith ----- Original
> >Message ----- From: "Barbara Hammel"
> ><poetlori8 at msn.com> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> >Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:00 PM Subject:
> >[stylist] here's a poem > Here???s a poem I
> >wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free
> >verse writer > friend of mine heard it today and
> >loved it for the mental pictures. > > What do
> >you think? > > > >  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST
> >SWIM > > By Barbara Hammel > > > > The twins and
> >I went out to play > > In world all wet and
> >sparkling gold, > > The icy water bit our
> >skin > > With diamond pricks of brilliant
> >cold, > > > > The freezing, sun-flecked swimming
> >pool > > Made one small child begin to
> >quake, > > His teeth began to chatter so > > And
> >all of him began to shake. > > > > And so out to
> >the swing we went > > To find the warmth left in
> >the day, > > How diff???Rent was the breeze we
> >felt > > As that bench swing began to
> >sway. > > > > The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed
> >air > > Brushed satin-smooth against my
> >skin, > > The spicy green of wet, cut grass > >
> >Filled every breath I drew within. > > > > The
> >velvet blue of twilight draped > > Its cooling
> >curtain over all, > > And through that beauty
> >gently swayed > > The swing and I and one boy
> >small. > > > > Through dappled, yellow,
> >sun-warmed air > > With just a hint of cooling
> >breeze, > > He shivered though it wasn't
> >cold, > > Beneath the shade of maple
> >trees. > > > > How different air can feel to
> >each > > When after swimming in the pool, > > I
> >feel the yellow, sun-warmed air, > > He feels
> >the chill, blue twilight cool. > > > > While
> >riding through the atmosphere, > > The dappled,
> >yellow, sun-warmed air > > Brushed satin-smooth
> >against his skin, > > As breezes dried him toe
> >to hair. > > > > Then velvet blue of twilight
> >draped > > Its curtain cool across the land. > >
> >The rhythm of the swing slowed down, > > I
> >reached and took his little hand. > > > > And
> >through the beauty walked we two, > > This once
> >more warmed up boy and I, > > Into the house and
> >put behind > > Such fun till sun comes back to
> >sky. > > > > > > > > Let every nation know
> >whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall
> >pay > any price, bear any burden, meet any
> >hardship, support any friend, oppose > any foe,
> >in order to assure the survival and the success
> >of liberty.--John > F. Kennedy >
> >_______________________________________________ >
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>Message: 24
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:07:34 -0400
>From: loristay at aol.com
>To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
>Message-ID: <8CDE2C3AB137688-19B4-6C628 at webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Donna, you have the punctuation correct.  I note that it might be a 
>different story if a question mark were involved, putting the 
>question mark between the single and double quotes.  Thought on this 
>has been changing recently, however, and you will find that the UK 
>does it differently in many cases.
>Lori
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 10:24 pm
>Subject: Re: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
>
>
>I think you put the spelling like you did in single quotes.  Come to 
>think of it, I'm not sure either.
>Barbara
>
>
>Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we 
>shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any 
>friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the 
>success of liberty.--John F. Kennedy
>-----Original Message----- From: Donna Hill
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:28 PM
>To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>Subject: [stylist] Desperate style/grammar/punctuation question
>
>Hi Friends,
>
>OK, I'm stumped. I'm sure I'm doing this wrong, but can't find an
>appropriate commentary on it.
>
>
>If you are quoting someone who is spelling a word, how is that written?  For
>the moment, I'm doing it like this:
>
>"he spelled dog 'd-a-u-g.'"
>
>
>I'm using an apostrophe as an inner quote here and the hyphen to separate
>the letters, but I don't have them italicized or anything. I think I've read
>that writing letters of the alphabet should be either italicized or placed
>in quotes and that plurals of a letter -- like straight "A"s -- should not
>use an apostrophe, but should have the letter in italics or quotes and the s
>in regular font.
>
>
>Any guidance on this would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Donna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 25
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:47:31 -0400
>From: "PAUL BAVER" <pebaver at verizon.net>
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [stylist] here's a poem
>Message-ID: <E84736F24752419CA2C1C931FC866607 at DENNEY>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8;
>         reply-type=original
>
>I'm no expert, but I give that a solid ten. Paul     E.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:00 PM
>Subject: [stylist] here's a poem
>
>
> > Here?s a poem I wrote last year.  An abstract artist and free verse writer
> > friend of mine heard it today and loved it for the mental pictures.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> >  EVENING OF SEASON'S FIRST SWIM
> >
> > By Barbara Hammel
> >
> >
> >
> > The twins and I went out to play
> >
> > In world all wet and sparkling gold,
> >
> > The icy water bit our skin
> >
> > With diamond pricks of brilliant cold,
> >
> >
> >
> > The freezing, sun-flecked swimming pool
> >
> > Made one small child begin to quake,
> >
> > His teeth began to chatter so
> >
> > And all of him began to shake.
> >
> >
> >
> > And so out to the swing we went
> >
> > To find the warmth left in the day,
> >
> > How diff?Rent was the breeze we felt
> >
> > As that bench swing began to sway.
> >
> >
> >
> > The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > Brushed satin-smooth against my skin,
> >
> > The spicy green of wet, cut grass
> >
> > Filled every breath I drew within.
> >
> >
> >
> > The velvet blue of twilight draped
> >
> > Its cooling curtain over all,
> >
> > And through that beauty gently swayed
> >
> > The swing and I and one boy small.
> >
> >
> >
> > Through dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > With just a hint of cooling breeze,
> >
> > He shivered though it wasn't cold,
> >
> > Beneath the shade of maple trees.
> >
> >
> >
> > How different air can feel to each
> >
> > When after swimming in the pool,
> >
> > I feel the yellow, sun-warmed air,
> >
> > He feels the chill, blue twilight cool.
> >
> >
> >
> > While riding through the atmosphere,
> >
> > The dappled, yellow, sun-warmed air
> >
> > Brushed satin-smooth against his skin,
> >
> > As breezes dried him toe to hair.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then velvet blue of twilight draped
> >
> > Its curtain cool across the land.
> >
> > The rhythm of the swing slowed down,
> >
> > I reached and took his little hand.
> >
> >
> >
> > And through the beauty walked we two,
> >
> > This once more warmed up boy and I,
> >
> > Into the house and put behind
> >
> > Such fun till sun comes back to sky.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
> > any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
> > any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John
> > F. Kennedy