[stylist] Self publishing, Book Share etc
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Mon Dec 31 20:10:08 UTC 2012
Phyliss,
Thanks. This was very thought provoking.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world."
C. S. Lewis
Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:38:38 -0600
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
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Donna,
I appreciate your thoughts. I understand wanting to get your book out
to as many people as possible and being comfortable with sacrificing
payment in order to do that.
I guess I'm not quite in that same place. Yes, I'd like people to read
my book, that's a huge reason I wrote it. I'm not willing to sacrifice
the potential to earn something from the sale of the book though.
I'm supportive of programs like libraries and BookShare. I use both NLS
and my local library, although I have not used BookShare. I think they
are an important resource to all people. However I do also purchase
books. I have purchased many ebooks, many more audio books and when I
can't find a book in any other format I will purchase the print and scan
it. I think the main factor for me is whether or not I am willing to
wait for the library to get the book I want. For example the final
Wheel of Time volume is coming out on the 8th. I expect the library
will make it available, they have all the other books in the series.
However I want to read it along with the other fans when it is first
released. I intend to purchase the Audible book. I see it as a way to
support my favorite authors and to get the books I want when they are
released.
I am aware of the issues with the Kindle hand held book reader. However
it is possible to read Kindle books on a nonKindle device. There is a
free ap for the Apple i devices which allows a person to play Kindle
books on an iPad, iPhone or other similar device. I don't think that
I'm excluding blind people from reading by making my book available
through Kindle, especially since it will also be available in other
formats.
You are correct that most self published authors make nothing from their
books. I don't see that as a reason to give up before I've even tried
though. I'd also venture a guess that most authors that go the
traditional publisher route also fail. Most people who submit
manuscripts for publication will get nowhere. That doesn't stop them
from continueing to try. I think self publishing is the same way. You
have to keep trying and trying and trying until it works. I think many
writers fail to make money from their books because they give up too
soon.
And I have to say thank you again. Your comments helped me more than I
realized to clarify my own thoughts on this topic. I thought I was a
lot more undecided, but reading back through what I wrote, I think I've
sorted out where I'm at with this issue and how I want to proceed.
Julie
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:45:58 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Book Share and libraries- JAWS and Word
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Donna,
My husband says Word's template program should be accessible with JAWS,
and that the crashing of your computer is most likely a specific problem
for your version of JAWS and Word or some other computer-type glitch
than that the program itself isn't working. Not to be glib, but have you
ever tried restarting your computer when this happens?
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:26:19 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
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Hi Phyllis,
Thanks for the tip; I hadn't heard of Smashwords.
As for the level of difficulty in using Create Space, here's where I am.
First, they have a lot of clear information on the site to teach you
what is necessary in terms of formatting and what your options are, but
there is a lot to digest. I ended up taking a lot of notes and copying a
lot of info from the site into files that I thought would make it easier
to find.
Basically, you need to get all of the formatting done in Word, and then
you either upload it to their PDF converter on the site (I'm just
guessing that's a mess) or you convert it to a real PDF yourself by
using something like Adobe's online PDF creator, which I think costs
under $100 per year to subscribe to. I wrote to Adobe about whether the
converter tool itself was accessible and whether it made an accessible
PDF. It makes an accessible PDF, which they proved to me by converting a
document I sent them. They couldn't really say if the tool itself is
accessible, so I'd have to spend the money to try it.
Create Space gives you all of the specs for determining what the margins
and gutters need to be, depending on the number of pages. I was able to
change my standard document from 8.5" x 11" to the 6" x 9" format, which
is the size I chose from their extensive list. My husband likes 12 pt.
Times New Roman using the "at least" setting for line spacing in the
paragraph dialog. It didn't even make the page count higher, but it has
just a little space between the lines making it easier for sighted folks
to read. I was also able to insert blank pages, which they require at
the beginning and end of the book, and I set the numbers so the odd
numbers are on the facing pages
-- the one on the right with the book open.
I changed it from aligned left to "justified," as they suggest, but
therein lies the first problem. I read something on the site that
suggested that when you change the alignment to justified, you may have
to manually adjust some of the lines to make them look right. I suspect
my husband can deal with that part of the process.
I tried to use one of their downloadable templates for title page, but
couldn't do it with Jaws. Similarly, I couldn't use Word's templates for
title page and contents; both Jaws and Word crash every time I try. That
too will probably be something my husband can do.
I had better luck with making sections and numbering pages, though you
don't get some of the feedback you need to clarify that the changes
register. It is possible though, using Jaws and Word 2010 to create
different sections, so they can have different attributes like the type
of page numbering. For instance, I want the text of the book to start on
page 1, but I have prefatory material, which I am using Roman numerals
for. I could set the place on the pages where the numbers appear, choose
from a long list of numeral types, Roman numerals, A,B,C and some with
lines or stars before and after the numbers.
Theoretically, Word has an automatic contents generator, but I don't
know how it works and suspect it will be tedious at best. I think it
requires each chapter to be a separate section and possibly that you
have to do something special with the chapter title to get Word to
recognize it. I haven't yet, but I intend to make each chapter a
separate section so I can eliminate headers on the first page of each
chapter.
I just wrote to Create Space member support to clarify something. They
offer copy editing, which I don't need, but it wasn't clear to me if
they would allow you to send them your normal old Word document and do
the formatting and conversion for you. From what I read yesterday on
Book Tango, the e-book service -- they do offer that, but even if you
had access to that file, I'm sure it wouldn't be right for creating a
print book.
Create Space offers a laundry list of options though, including cover
design. If you do the cover yourself, you need to get the whole thing
laid out using their specs and put that into a separate PDF. They give
you the information as to how to calculate the width of the spine and
such.
Hope this hasn't made your head explode. *grin*
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:49:55 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
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Subject: [stylist] Success
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Julie,
True. I had a prof who said once we put pen to paper, so to speak, we
are writers. We don't have to be published to be considered writers or
successful ones at that.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
Message: 12
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:05:35 -0600
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: Writer's Division Mailing List <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
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Donna,
I mean training a guide dog from scratch. I hadn't thought of checking
out options for publishing it in Braille. That is an excellent idea!
Thank you!
also I didn't mean that you had given up. You have thought through your
goals for the book and have formulated a plan. I've read about some
authors who give their books away for various reasons. I don't think
that's giving up either. It's doing what is right for you. I don't
think success means making a boatload of money. We all define success a
little bit differently. Whatever your goals for success are, I wish you
all the best.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:32:37 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
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Hi Julie,
Good luck publishing your book. I understand your desire to make money
and
the need to also make money.
You will do it via e-book with a kindle, it sounds like.
I also suggest you give the book to blindness producers such as National
Braille Press to make a braille copy for sale and to Learning Ally for
recording.
Also you can read kindle books on a non kindle device.
Oh, I did not realize that.
You can do it on an apple device; what else?
Thanks.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie J.
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 3:38 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
Donna,
I appreciate your thoughts. I understand wanting to get your book out
to as many people as possible and being comfortable with sacrificing
payment in order to do that.
I guess I'm not quite in that same place. Yes, I'd like people to read
my book, that's a huge reason I wrote it. I'm not willing to sacrifice
the potential to earn something from the sale of the book though.
I'm supportive of programs like libraries and BookShare. I use both NLS
and my local library, although I have not used BookShare. I think they
are an important resource to all people. However I do also purchase
books. I have purchased many ebooks, many more audio books and when I
can't find a book in any other format I will purchase the print and scan
it. I think the main factor for me is whether or not I am willing to
wait for the library to get the book I want. For example the final
Wheel of Time volume is coming out on the 8th. I expect the library
will make it available, they have all the other books in the series.
However I want to read it along with the other fans when it is first
released. I intend to purchase the Audible book. I see it as a way to
support my favorite authors and to get the books I want when they are
released.
I am aware of the issues with the Kindle hand held book reader. However
it is possible to read Kindle books on a nonKindle device. There is a
free ap for the Apple i devices which allows a person to play Kindle
books on an iPad, iPhone or other similar device. I don't think that
I'm excluding blind people from reading by making my book available
through Kindle, especially since it will also be available in other
formats.
You are correct that most self published authors make nothing from their
books. I don't see that as a reason to give up before I've even tried
though. I'd also venture a guess that most authors that go the
traditional publisher route also fail. Most people who submit
manuscripts for publication will get nowhere. That doesn't stop them
from continueing to try. I think self publishing is the same way. You
have to keep trying and trying and trying until it works. I think many
writers fail to make money from their books because they give up too
soon.
And I have to say thank you again. Your comments helped me more than I
realized to clarify my own thoughts on this topic. I thought I was a
lot more undecided, but reading back through what I wrote, I think I've
sorted out where I'm at with this issue and how I want to proceed.
Julie
On 12/29/2012 1:02 PM, Donna Hill wrote:
> Hi Julie,
> First of all, congratulations on completing your book! As a fellow
> writer,
> I
> have also had to ponder this thorny issue. My novel is essentially
done
> (except some formatting). My working premise has been that, since I
spent
> a
> couple of decades working on the book and since the facts show that
very
> few self-published writers even make $100 on their books, the idea of
> making
> money from sales of the book itself seems rather unrealistic. For that
> reason, and because my novel has a blind teenage heroin, something in
> short
> supply for blind girls, I intend to make my book available on
Bookshare,
> as
> well as Learning Ally, as soon as possible after it comes out in
print.
>
> Also, I feel that I have personally benefited from NLS, for instance,
> when
> I
> could have purchased audio copies of books, which is a loss to the
> writers.
> Accepting the reality of my own loss as a writer with regard to sales
to
> blind people seems fitting to me. I also have had the impression that
some
> blind writers who marketed their work to fellow blind people ended up
> disappointed in their sales, either because they expected more support
> than
> their sales indicated or because they didn't accurately assess the
market.
> Nonetheless, I'm sure that some blind people wish to purchase their
books
> and will choose to purchase rather than borrow books written by fellow
> blind
> people. I'm not trying to suggest that you change your mind, just
sharing
> a
> different perspective.
>
> I'm using Amazon's Create Space, and most of their print on demand
> options
> also make it available for the Kindle. As for Kindle being accessible
...
> You're correct about the writer having the option to shut off the
> text-to-speech option, but that isn't the only issue. Amazon recently
came
> up with yet another attempt to make the Kindle more accessible in
response
> to the NFB's protest of their efforts (the Whispercast program) to get
> Kindle books into public schools. If you aren't aware of this issue,
any
> organization like schools and libraries, receiving federal funding
must
> not
> employ new technology which is inaccessible to blind students.
According
> to
> the last press release from the NFB that I read on this issue, which
was
> earlier this month, the latest incarnation of Kindle still has serious
> navigation issues. The ways you can navigate in a book (by page,
> paragraph,
> sentence, word, letter etc.) are still rather limited. If memory
serves,
> you
> can't go by anything less than a sentence, which prohibits students
from
> checking spelling. Also, I don't think it allows place markers. I'm
not
> sure
> if they fixed the flaws which involve downloading the books or not,
but
> for
> many years, a blind person needed help getting the books, navigating
to
> the
> book and activating the text-to-speech Option. All of this was way
after
> the technology already existed to put blind readers on an even footing
> with
> their sighted peers.
>
> Apple and Google books do a much better job . One of my friends uses
> some sort of Apple e-book reader and loves it.
>
> That said, there are other options for getting e-books published, such
> as Book Tango, which claims to optimize their e-books for all of the
> major e-book readers. I can't recommend it yet, because I am just
> starting to investigate it. There is also Blio, which is supposed to
> be accessible, which I also have to look into.
>
> As I understand it, any Bookshare member can scan any book, for which
> they receive credits toward their subscription fee. I don't believe
> it's necessary for the books to have reached a certain level of
> popularity. HTH, Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
> J.
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:40 PM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
>
> Hello all!
>
> I'm just about finished writing my book. It's been two and a half
> years
> and
> finally the end is in sight. I'll have to have a party or
something!LOL
>
> Anyway I was planning on self publishing it through Kindle,
> SmashWords, i Books and other similar ebook vendors. I was
> corresponding with a blind friend who is interested in reading the
> book. she asked if it would be available through BookShare, because
> Kindle isn't accessible. Firstly, my understanding is that Kindle
> books are accessible through the Kindle for PC software or the ap for
> i devices as long as the author has made the book text to speech
> enabled. Is this correct?
>
> Secondly do you think services like BookShare are a disadvantage to
> authors?
> I'm very torn on this. On the one hand I want blind people to have
access
> to my books, but on the other hand I'd like to make some
> money from the sale of my book. The topic of the book is the
process
> of owner training my current guide dog. I'm anticipating that a large
> portion of my readers will be blind. If most of my readers get their
copy
> through BookShare it will have a huge impact on my sales. The price
of
> the
> book will be less than $10, so should be affordable to most.
>
> I'd love to hear thoughts on this topic. I'm still deciding how to
> proceed
> and I'd love your input.
> Julie
>
>
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:37:51 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
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Donna,
As for the kindle, I heard that yes some books have text to speech. But
there are navigation issues. Not only can the speech be shut off, but
the menus do not talk.
Therefore a blind person has to have
help navigating to the book for reading.
So you are using Amazon to self publish it sounds like.
So then, will your books be in hard copy or e-books too?
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Donna Hill
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:02 PM
To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
Hi Julie,
First of all, congratulations on completing your book! As a fellow
writer, I have also had to ponder this thorny issue. My novel is
essentially done (except some formatting). My working premise has been
that, since I spent a couple of decades working on the book and since
the facts show that very few self-published writers even make $100 on
their books, the idea of making money from sales of the book itself
seems rather unrealistic. For that reason, and because my novel has a
blind teenage heroin, something in short supply for blind girls, I
intend to make my book available on Bookshare, as well as Learning Ally,
as soon as possible after it comes out in print.
Also, I feel that I have personally benefited from NLS, for instance,
when I could have purchased audio copies of books, which is a loss to
the writers. Accepting the reality of my own loss as a writer with
regard to sales to blind people seems fitting to me. I also have had the
impression that some blind writers who marketed their work to fellow
blind people ended up disappointed in their sales, either because they
expected more support than their sales indicated or because they didn't
accurately assess the market. Nonetheless, I'm sure that some blind
people wish to purchase their books and will choose to purchase rather
than borrow books written by fellow blind people. I'm not trying to
suggest that you change your mind, just sharing a different perspective.
I'm using Amazon's Create Space, and most of their print on demand
options also make it available for the Kindle. As for Kindle being
accessible ... You're correct about the writer having the option to shut
off the text-to-speech option, but that isn't the only issue. Amazon
recently came up with yet another attempt to make the Kindle more
accessible in response to the NFB's protest of their efforts (the
Whispercast program) to get Kindle books into public schools. If you
aren't aware of this issue, any organization like schools and libraries,
receiving federal funding must not employ new technology which is
inaccessible to blind students. According to the last press release from
the NFB that I read on this issue, which was earlier this month, the
latest incarnation of Kindle still has serious navigation issues. The
ways you can navigate in a book (by page, paragraph, sentence, word,
letter etc.) are still rather limited. If memory serves, you can't go by
anything less than a sentence, which prohibits students from checking
spelling. Also, I don't think it allows place markers. I'm not sure if
they fixed the flaws which involve downloading the books or not, but for
many years, a blind person needed help getting the books, navigating to
the book and activating the text-to-speech Option. All of this was way
after the technology already existed to put blind readers on an even
footing with their sighted peers.
Apple and Google books do a much better job . One of my friends uses
some sort of Apple e-book reader and loves it.
That said, there are other options for getting e-books published, such
as Book Tango, which claims to optimize their e-books for all of the
major e-book readers. I can't recommend it yet, because I am just
starting to investigate it. There is also Blio, which is supposed to be
accessible, which I also have to look into.
As I understand it, any Bookshare member can scan any book, for which
they receive credits toward their subscription fee. I don't believe
it's necessary for the books to have reached a certain level of
popularity. HTH, Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:40 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: [stylist] BookShare and libraries
Hello all!
I'm just about finished writing my book. It's been two and a half years
and finally the end is in sight. I'll have to have a party or
something!LOL
Anyway I was planning on self publishing it through Kindle, SmashWords,
i Books and other similar ebook vendors. I was corresponding with a
blind friend who is interested in reading the book. she asked if it
would be available through BookShare, because Kindle isn't accessible.
Firstly, my understanding is that Kindle books are accessible through
the Kindle for PC software or the ap for i devices as long as the author
has made the book text to speech enabled. Is this correct?
Secondly do you think services like BookShare are a disadvantage to
authors? I'm very torn on this. On the one hand I want blind people to
have access to my books, but on the other hand I'd like to make some
money from the sale of my book. The topic of the book is the process
of owner training my current guide dog. I'm anticipating that a large
portion of my readers will be blind. If most of my readers get their
copy through BookShare it will have a huge impact on my sales. The
price of the book will be less than $10, so should be affordable to
most.
I'd love to hear thoughts on this topic. I'm still deciding how to
proceed and I'd love your input. Julie
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 06:16:32 -0500
From: "P. Campbell" <pcampbell16 at verizon.net>
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Subject: [stylist] Self publishing, Book Share etc
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Good Morning all,
Self publishing has changed I could almost say dramatically with the
growing popularity of the ebook. Years ago there was definitely a
stigma attached to self publishing through the so-called vanity presses.
It had its place especially for specialized topics that would never be
picked up by the conventional publishers. After all, they, too, are in
the business of making money, and couldn't afford to go to the expense
of publishing and marketing a title that would appeal to a small
readership.
Sad to say that in those days a self published book in one's list of
writing credits often turned publishers and/or editors off, unless
again, it was a special interest title. Also the writer was required to
put out a lot of money, and then often found her/himself with hundreds
of books to somehow sell or give away.
This has changed with the coming of the ebook market, giving the
unpublished writer an opportunity to put their work out there without
mortgaging one's home, and without filling said home with books.
Would I, personally, put out a lot of money just to say I've sold a
book? No, but if one has the money, and publishing means that much, go
for it. Would I put out a bit of money for services such as cover
design that I can't do myself? Yes.
So here are the advantages of the ebook, at least for me. They appear
on the market long before one becomes senile, or one's heirs will enjoy
the royalties. Royalties are much higher than with conventional
publishers that may pay an advance. The book will sink or swim on its
own merit, not the whim or personal preference of editors.
For me the greatest disadvantage has been that I must furnish all of the
publicity where the regular publishers do this. I admit freely that I
have difficulty promoting myself, and that at present with my husband's
illness I lack the time and the energy.
Would I publish another ebook? Yes. Will I abandon the regular
publishers? No. I'm working on a book now, and will send out queries.
The bottom line. Do your research, and then decide what best suits you,
your book and your goals.
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