[stylist] To ponder- to take to another level
Donna Hill
penatwork at epix.net
Sat Feb 9 18:43:13 UTC 2013
Bridgit,
This denial of how bad one's vision really is leads to all sorts of
problems. I think I mentioned the Mom who almost got herself and her kid
killed by walking out in front of a bus and the guy who was driving and had
a near miss. I blame society for this, and one example comes from the mother
of a blind boy who fought for most of her son's public school education to
get the school to teach him nonvisual skills and to spend more time with
him. They had backed themselves into quite a corner. Despite the medical
diagnosis that he was indeed legally blind, they believed his vision was
good enough to function as a sighted person. This resulted in them assuming
he could sew and use power tools in shop without adaptation. Instead of
talking about it, I will post the text of the article under a separate
thread.
Donna
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Subject: [stylist] To ponder- to take to another level
Donna,
Your absolutely correct. I get so tired of people assuming I do
something because I'm blind. People trip, drop things, lose things, pick
up the wrong thing, yada, yada, yada. But when blind, there's no other
reason for doing such things than blindness. I get sick of this thought.
And as for sight "looking" better, your example is great. Here's another
one. I will probably offend someone, so I apologize first. I know a guy
who uses one of thos electronic monocle devices instead of a cane. He
thinks doing it sighted makes him blend in more than "looking" blind.
But I guarantee you that people are less interested in me and my cane
than the cyborg walking down the street.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world."
C. S. Lewis
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3. Re: Braille (babslady79 at bellsouth.net (Erica Turner))
4. Braille (Bridgit Pollpeter)
5. The ponder to take to another level (Bridgit Pollpeter)
6. Our new Med Center commercial (Bridgit Pollpeter)
7. Re: Quote to ponder - taken to another level (Aine Kelly-Costello)
8. Re: Our new Med Center commercial (Myrna Badgerow)
9. Re: Quote to ponder - taken to another level (Donna Hill)
10. Re: Quote to ponder - taken to another level (Donna Hill)
11. Re: Braille (Donna Hill)
12. Re: The ponder to take to another level (Donna Hill)
13. my short story (vejas)
14. Re: Braille (vejas)
15. Re: Quote to ponder - taken to another level (Lynda Lambert)
16. Re: The ponder to take to another level (Lynda Lambert)
17. Re: Quote to ponder - taken to another level (Ashley Bramlett)
18. Re: Quote to ponder - taken to another level (Donna Hill)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:02:00 -0500
From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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This is a really good question, Robert.
I have noticed that so many blind people spell things so wonky, and
maybe
this is why. I always wonder is spelling is really taught and learned
visually. I really have no experience with any of the discussion on
Braille
because I do not use it - I do everything with electronics and some
things
with a CCTV. I have only had sight loss for 5 years, so I really have
no
idea how blind children learn things like spelling, grammar, formatting,
and
punctuation. To me, they are all visual, and it is very hard for me to
understand it any other way - well, I really don't understand it any
other
way. When I am reading (listening to a voice on a machine) I am still
listening visually. I see it in my mind, and if I cannot see it that
way,
it's confusing to me. Auditory skills would rate very low for me.
Everyone has strength in certain skills and ways of learning - and I am
a
Visual learner above all else. That did not change - I still have to be
able
to SEE it to remember it - I have to stop and SEE a picture in my mind
before it sticks with me.
Writing and reading, for me, has always been a visual experience. This
makes me wonder, can a person who has always been blind be a Visual
learner?
And, then, I wonder, how does a blind person visualize things? These
are
some things I am thinking about and working with a blind painter friend
to
put together an exhibition on how people see and visualize.
Lynda
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> We were discussing how the impact of what is read is influenced by the
> reader, themselves (by what they personally bring to the
> reading-table). And here is an interesting thought or outcome that is
> happening to too many blind people! First as a baseline thought - the
> sighted student/reader who uses print to read literature, educational
> stuff and the like - they are reading the words themselves, visually
> scanning, actively processing --- while during this process, the
> student is being exposed to important "reading related/literacy"
> features/elements such as: format, punctuation, spelling, and features
> like tables, graphs, pictures, etc. Also, along the same line of
> literacy, of actively reading for oneself --- The blind reader
> who has the skill of Braille can get the same basic exposure to
content,
> plus all the important literacy features as - format, punctuation,
> spelling
> and the other stuff. However, in today's world, at least in this
country,
> Braille is not being taught as a first-line method of reading for the
> non-print reader! And yeah, you all have heard this gripe, this
warning
> before. There again my point today is a bit different: My thought,
> question
> is --- hey --- picture this- if you could not read print, did not know
> Braille and could only hear new information, be it a textbook, or poem
or
> piece of prose --- you were not getting exposed to formatting,
> punctuation,
> or spelling of anything you heard;
> And so I ask does this then essentially take the blind person back to
the
> preprint era, back to learning via the oral tradition? Yeah --- what
are
> these teachers thinking? (Another bazaar thought - what do you think
these
> teachers who are doing this to the blind would do --- if they were to
find
> that in school their very own sighted children would have print taken
away
> and their child was restricted to only listening to what was being
> taught??)
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:14:36 -0500 (EST)
From: loristay at aol.com
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] PROPOSAL/QUESTION about a possible upcoming
column
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Try garywunder at nfb.org
It will probably work.
Lori
P.S. we got a different talking thermostat which is a lot better. The
company is talkingthermostats.com
Phone:
763-591-9557
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Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 10:44 am
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Hello Lori,
Yes it is the Kalvin.
You wouldn't happen to have Gary's contact information, would
you?
Amy
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Date sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:16:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [stylist] PROPOSAL/QUESTION about a possible
upcoming column
What sort of thermostat? Is it a Kelvin? We've had problems
too. David has been in touch with the Independence Market over
the glitch in the software that keeps it from functioning
properly on weekends.
As for a column, you've got nothing to lose by proposing it.
Write to Gary Wunder, the editor of the Braille Monitor with your
proposal.
Lori
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Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 9:01 pm
Subject: [stylist] PROPOSAL/QUESTION about a possible upcoming
column
Hello everyone,
My idea is this:
If we don't already have a consumers' report kind of publication or
column in the Braille Monitor I would like to propose/offer my services
for writing/creating such a column. My reason: Today, (Saturday February
2, 2013) I spent most of the day and part of last night without heat
because my thermostat decided to die on me. I've had problems with this
thermostat since I bought it and I want to know if putting a column in
the Braille Monitor for such issues (pros and cons of devices, etc.)
would be of interest to anyone. Amy
Amy McGarrah
Amy's Braille Printing
Presentations for businesses, schools and individuals on what it is like
living with a disability. blog site: http://blindsightbook.blogspot.com
website:
mexicanschoolproject.com.mx
phone: 313-286-3793
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@blindwriter2009
youtube.com/AmyMcGarrah
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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:17:41 -0800 (PST)
From: "babslady79 at bellsouth.net \(Erica Turner\)"
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Bridget,
?
I agree with you in that learning as sometimes using braille can be a
bit tedious, however, I am committed to learning every aspect of it I
can. With the knowledge of braille that I have so far, I have brailled
things in my home that I use on a daily basis and I even braille my
son's weekly vocabulary? words. I too am committed to spreading the word
about braille literacy and strongly encourage those who are advanced as
well as those that are new to braille to continue to use your skills and
help those who are struggling with grasping the system.
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own
understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy
paths." --Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
Erica Turner
Home: 904-284-4511
Cell: 904-881-1168
E-mail: babslady79 at bellsouth.net
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 13:38:35 -0500
From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
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Aine, this is perfect! What a great connection you have made here. Lynda
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> this reminds me of a W. H. Auden poem I studied last year called 'In
> Memory of W. B. Yeats". The relevant stanza goes:
>
>
> Now he is scattered among a hundred cities
> And wholly given over to unfamiliar affections;
> To find his happiness in another kind of wood
> And be punished under a foreign code of conscience.
> The words of a dead man
> Are modified in the guts of the living.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>
>
>>I think it is impossible that a reader cannot bring their "stuff" to
>>the
>>work. We create it, and then it is sent out into the world. And, god
knows
>>what happens to it after that!? lol???We all bring our own history to
>>everything we see, hear, touch, smell, etc.? That is why contemporary
art
>>and writing is such a barrier to the reader - it takes a lot of
knowledge
>>and "history" to even begin to work through the difficult things.
>> Lynda
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynda ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>
>>
>>> Bridgit,
>>> Is he saying that the illusion is the writer's belief that they are
>>> communicating "x" and that the reader, bringing to each work their
>>> own life experiences, gleens "y?" I think that's true, but I still
>>> believe in trying
>>> to communicate precisely whatever I'm trying to get across, but I
enjoy
>>> the
>>> fact that readers get things out of it that I didn't think I was
>>> communicating -- hopefully tangential and not diametrically
opposite.
>>> *grin*
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:13 PM
>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>>
>>> Thought I'd post another quote to spark some discussion. This comes
>>> from
>>> one
>>> of the writers I featured in the creative nonfiction lesson.
>>>
>>> "Writing gives you the illusion of control, and then you realize its
>>> just an
>>> illusion, that people are going to bring their own stuff into it."
>>> David Sedaris
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style Read my blog at:
>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>
>>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
>>> satisfy,
>>> we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for another
world."
>>> C. S. Lewis
>>>
>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:53:51 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Braille
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Jackie,
I too have neuropathy and therefore it takes a very long time to read
Braille. This has been very difficult when reading to Declan and Penny.
I will make stories up when it's too tedious to read Braille books to
them, but with Penny, it's getting to that point when this doesn't work
so well anymore, sigh. I'm a huge supporter of Braille education though,
and despite the exceptions like you and me, I encourage all blind
people-- totals and partials-- to learn the system. Despite my
"handicap" with Braille, I still use it for things like labeling and
it's a life-saver, grin.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] CNF/blindness prompt (Aine)
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Ain,
So nice to get your reply. I will make this brief from necessity. I
don't recommend bungee jumping since finding? that the retina can detach
it there is too much of a snap at the bottom of the jump. In fact, the
gentleman who did it said that he would never repeat it. My visual
condition is a mix of dry and wet macular degeneration, and surgery and
poor results from cataract surgery. I have a little peripheral vision in
my left eye. In the right, little flecks of vision that when I scan, I
can pick up information. I could use a CCTV after that surgery, until
they replaced a cataract in an effort to maximize my vision. Thereafter,
the left and right had totally different planes making me unable to
decipher letters. They gave me a pair of glasses which failed to do
anything. I took Braille for about three years, but because of
peripheral neuropathy, it was jumbo Braille, and then still taking 12
minutes for a page that had to written by my instructor, and increasing
numbness, I gave it up. I am still a great supporter of Braille
education.
I am so glad you have at least a little light perception. I count my
blessings every day that I do have that.? Have you ever seen colors?
My son who is fifty-three now still swims at least every other day, and
has taught swimming to many children including his son. He recently had
a melanoma removed, and has to be vigilant now. I know Australia has a
sun like Arizona! I do use JAWS and will soon learn to use an upgraded
system for everything. So I am winding down on e-mails for a time, but
probably will not be able to resist reading? selected ones. I hope the
learning curve does not take too long. My greatest good wishes for both
your music aspirations, and a full life. Jackie
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 13:04:29 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder
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Donna,
It's up to the individual to interpret what they believe this quote is,
though I would agree with your assessment.
Sedaris is not necessarily saying to not be precise and concise with
what you write, but rather, he's noting how people not only will
interpret material based on their individual experiences and knowledge,
but that readers are the ones who ultimately determine if what we write
is worth writing. I may have a story to tell, but if no one else finds
it interesting, I must either find a way in which to make it
interesting, or I must consider a new story. This is the process and
goal for all writers.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:47:47 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
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Bridgit,
Is he saying that the illusion is the writer's belief that they are
communicating "x" and that the reader, bringing to each work their own
life experiences, gleens "y?" I think that's true, but I still believe
in trying to communicate precisely whatever I'm trying to get across,
but I enjoy the fact that readers get things out of it that I didn't
think I was communicating -- hopefully tangential and not diametrically
opposite. *grin* Donna?
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:43:15 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
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Ooo! That's great. It reminds me of another quote I actually use in my
book. The kids are on a virtual tour of Westminster Abbey: "This is
good," said Tommy looking at the epitaph on T.S. Eliot's memorial, "'the
communication of the dead is tongued with fire beyond the language of
the living.'"? ?
Donna
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Kelly-Costello
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this reminds me of a W. H. Auden poem I studied last year called 'In
Memory of W. B. Yeats". The relevant stanza goes:
Now he is scattered among a hundred cities
And wholly given over to unfamiliar affections;
To find his happiness in another kind of wood
And be punished under a foreign code of conscience.
The words of a dead man
Are modified in the guts of the living.
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>I think it is impossible that a reader cannot bring their "stuff" to
>the
>work. We create it, and then it is sent out into the world. And, god
knows
>what happens to it after that!? lol???We all bring our own history to
>everything we see, hear, touch, smell, etc.? That is why contemporary
art
>and writing is such a barrier to the reader - it takes a lot of
knowledge
>and "history" to even begin to work through the difficult things.
> Lynda
>
>
>
> Lynda ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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>
>
>> Bridgit,
>> Is he saying that the illusion is the writer's belief that they are
>> communicating "x" and that the reader, bringing to each work their
>> own life experiences, gleens "y?" I think that's true, but I still
>> believe in trying
>> to communicate precisely whatever I'm trying to get across, but I
enjoy
>> the
>> fact that readers get things out of it that I didn't think I was
>> communicating -- hopefully tangential and not diametrically opposite.
>> *grin*
>> Donna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:13 PM
>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>
>> Thought I'd post another quote to spark some discussion. This comes
>> from
>> one
>> of the writers I featured in the creative nonfiction lesson.
>>
>> "Writing gives you the illusion of control, and then you realize its
>> just
>> an
>> illusion, that people are going to bring their own stuff into it."
>> David Sedaris
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style Read my blog at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>
>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
>> satisfy,
>> we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for another
world."
>> C. S. Lewis
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:49:26 +1300
From: "Aine Kelly-Costello" <ainekc at gmail.com>
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:) I like it, that is food for thought, all right
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:43 AM
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> Ooo! That's great. It reminds me of another quote I actually use in my
> book.
> The kids are on a virtual tour of Westminster Abbey:
> "This is good," said Tommy looking at the epitaph on T.S. Eliot's
> memorial,
> "'the communication of the dead is tongued with fire beyond the
language
> of
> the living.'"
> Donna
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> Kelly-Costello
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:57 AM
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>
> this reminds me of a W. H. Auden poem I studied last year called 'In
> Memory
> of W. B. Yeats". The relevant stanza goes:
>
>
> Now he is scattered among a hundred cities
> And wholly given over to unfamiliar affections;
> To find his happiness in another kind of wood
> And be punished under a foreign code of conscience.
> The words of a dead man
> Are modified in the guts of the living.
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> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>
>
>>I think it is impossible that a reader cannot bring their "stuff" to
>>the work. We create it, and then it is sent out into the world. And,
>>god knows what happens to it after that!? lol???We all bring our own
>>history to everything we see, hear, touch, smell, etc.? That is why
>>contemporary art and writing is such a barrier to the reader - it
>>takes a lot of knowledge and "history" to even begin to work through
>>the difficult things. Lynda
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynda ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>
>>
>>> Bridgit,
>>> Is he saying that the illusion is the writer's belief that they are
>>> communicating "x" and that the reader, bringing to each work their
>>> own life experiences, gleens "y?" I think that's true, but I still
>>> believe in trying
>>> to communicate precisely whatever I'm trying to get across, but I
enjoy
>>> the
>>> fact that readers get things out of it that I didn't think I was
>>> communicating -- hopefully tangential and not diametrically
opposite.
>>> *grin*
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:13 PM
>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>>
>>> Thought I'd post another quote to spark some discussion. This comes
>>> from one of the writers I featured in the creative nonfiction
>>> lesson.
>>>
>>> "Writing gives you the illusion of control, and then you realize its
>>> just
>
>>> an
>>> illusion, that people are going to bring their own stuff into it."
>>> David Sedaris
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style Read my blog at:
>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>
>>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
>>> satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
>>> another world." C. S. Lewis
>>>
>>>
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:02:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
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Lynda,
Thanks so much for your comments, time, and more insights into your past
work, also. Jackie
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:30 AM
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Morning Jackie,
I am sharing some poets and a poem throughout the month of February as a
way
of celebrating this special month. There is no assignment intended, but
just
the joy of reading the work, and a few questions to help the readers
begin
to think about or discover what is there in the poem. I am trying to
choose
poems that are reflective of the poet's "voice."
Thanks for taking the time to send your reflections, the piece by Patty
Smith, and the poems. I really enjoyed reading this all today.
"We Real Cool"???is the poem Brooks is most famous for writing as it was
always published over the years in all the anthologies that included
her. It
is the one I was going to post, too. But, on reflection, I decided to go
with a differnt sort of poem that would not be as familiar.
What you are working on is so humorous and it is so clear who you are
responding to. Yes, deciding to put "We" at the end of each line is
distinctly Brook's trademark piece. Does anyone know of any other poem
that
does this? Off hand, I don't.
I just loved the piece by Patty Smith - I was right there with her in
this
piece. But we were not in Chicago, we were in New York City, and it was
not
poets, it was visual artists. This is how I experienced the introduction
to
a new book that had just been released - it was at a book store in NYC -
and
all around me, were the faces of so many of the visual artists I had
always
loved.
I sat next to Howardena Pindell. Later we would become acquainted, and
when
my book (Concerti: Psalms for the Pilgrimage)? came out it was Pindell
who
wrote the back cover commentary on it.? It turns out we were born the
same
year, and both experienced what it was like to have our father's taken
away
to fight in Europe for the first couple years of our lives.
It was Pindell's art that I researched and did programs on throughout
the
state of Pennsylvania for the Pennsylvania Humanities Council.? I spent
a
couple years lecturing all over the US on African American Art and
Literature, at academic conferences.
And, when one of my research papers was published in the Book, "Blacks
and
Whites Meeting in America"? by Terry White, it was Pindell's art that
was in
color on the cover of the book. I shared the same kind of feelings as
Smith
did, when in the center of a world populated by creative genius.
The quote that struck me this morning is this:
(Block Quote)
"The corner of her mouth twitched, then spread into one of those
indulgent
smiles that knots you up a little inside. It's the smile a teacher gives
you
before handing back a test paper with a grade lower than either of you
expected.
Without looking directly at me, Gwendolyn said, "Your problem should be
finding time for anything else." (End Block Quote)
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
> Well, I forgot the attachments. Here goes again. I have put in the two
> poems, plus an article about Gwendolyn Brooks. Jackie
> Jackie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:22 AM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
>
> February is Black History Month. . .
>
> I was initially scheduled to do a lesson on the poetry of African
> Americans
> in December. I have been struggling with health issues, and been
> recovering
> from surgery since the beginning of January. Therefore, I thought I
would
> bring you some poems of African American poets during February. I will
> post
> some poems by different black poets from time to time during this
month. I
> think you will really enjoy meeting some poets you may not be familiar
> with,
> and maybe revisit some you already know.
>
>
>
> This morning I would like to introduce you to Gwendolyn Brooks. She
> was
> born
> in Topeka, Kansas? (1917) but grew up in Chicago, Illinois. She is
> generally
> considered an Illinois poet. In her earlier years, prior to 1967,? she
> focused on depicting the characters of her race, to bring them to life
on
> the page.? The local people of her neighborhood were the subject of
her
> poems. She passed away on December 3, 2000.
>
>
>
> I had the privilege of attending a writing workshop for poetry one
> afternoon
> at Slippery Rock University of PA. Gwendolyn was the poet in residence
> that
> day and budding poets could read a poem for her and she would respond
to
> it.
> She was so gentle and kind, and encouraging to the young students who
read
> for her.? When one of them said, with hesitation, that she had self
> published a chap book of her work.? Brooks looked at her and said,
"You do
> not need to feel apologetic about publishing your own book. It is a
book
> after all. You wrote a book. You have a published book. That is
something
> to
> be proud of."
>
>
>
> In 1967 Gwendolyn Brooks'? work changed after she took a workshop at
> Fisk University and met other black poets, such as Amiri Baraka. She
> had a "New Awakening" through this experience. I have always been
> aware that an encounter with one person can change your life forever,
> and this was certainly true for Brooks.
>
>
>
> Brooks' first book was published in 1945. She won a Pulitzer Prize;
> and
> was
> Poet Laureate of Illinois. She succeeded Carl Sandburg in that
position.
>
>
>
> I am posting a link so you can hear her read her poem, "A Song in the
> Front
> Yard."? It is from 1963, one of the earlier poems where she describes
what
> she sees and thinks about the people in her neighborhood.
>
>
>
> As you listen or read this poem you can think about the carefully
> chosen words. This poem is full of symbols - you might try to identify
> some of them and then think about what she is conveying to the reader
> through the symbolism. Her symbols begin before you even start reading
> the poem..look at
> the title of it. Begin there.
>
>
>
> Listen? to Brooks read her poem "A Song in the Front Yard" here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWA6V3OaoR8
>
>
>
> You can read the text copy of this poem by opening up the attachment.
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
>
>
> Lynda Lambert, BFA, MA, MFA
> 104 River Road
> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>
> 724 758 4979
>
> My Blog:? http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
> My Website:? http://lyndalambert.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:07:26 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
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Mary Jo,
I cut the U tube link and pasted it into my search box, and it seems my
computer would not open this. It said I did not have installed what I
needed. I usually get everything else. Do you have to join to get U-tube
stuff?
At any rate, thanks for your comments on the attachments and other
information. It is wonderful to have such a wonderfully responsive
group. Jackie
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Lord
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:43 PM
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Hi Jackie,
I like your take on the form.
I copied We Real Cool from the internet.? Hopefully the line breaks
stayed. Also, here is a youtube link where she reads the poem and gives
an explanation of what made her write it.
We Real Cool
The Pool Players.
Seven at the Golden Shovel.
We real cool. We
Left school. We
Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We
Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We
Jazz June. We
Die soon.
Gwendolyn Brooks
http://192.168.1.1/
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Jacqueline Williams
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
Well, I forgot the attachments. Here goes again. I have put in the two
poems, plus an article about Gwendolyn Brooks.
Jackie
Jackie
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Lambert
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:22 AM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
February is Black History Month. . .
I was initially scheduled to do a lesson on the poetry of African
Americans in December. I have been struggling with health issues, and
been recovering from surgery since the beginning of January. Therefore,
I thought I would bring you some poems of African American poets during
February. I will post some poems by different black poets from time to
time during this month. I think you will really enjoy meeting some poets
you may not be familiar with, and maybe revisit some you already know.
This morning I would like to introduce you to Gwendolyn Brooks. She was
born in Topeka, Kansas? (1917) but grew up in Chicago, Illinois. She is
generally considered an Illinois poet. In her earlier years, prior to
1967,? she focused on depicting the characters of her race, to bring
them to life on the page.? The local people of her neighborhood were the
subject of her poems. She passed away on December 3, 2000.
I had the privilege of attending a writing workshop for poetry one
afternoon at Slippery Rock University of PA. Gwendolyn was the poet in
residence that day and budding poets could read a poem for her and she
would respond to it. She was so gentle and kind, and encouraging to the
young students who read for her.? When one of them said, with
hesitation, that she had self published a chap book of her work.? Brooks
looked at her and said, "You do not need to feel apologetic about
publishing your own book. It is a book after all. You wrote a book. You
have a published book. That is something to be proud of."
In 1967 Gwendolyn Brooks'? work changed after she took a workshop at
Fisk University and met other black poets, such as Amiri Baraka. She had
a "New Awakening" through this experience. I have always been aware that
an encounter with one person can change your life forever, and this was
certainly true for Brooks.
Brooks' first book was published in 1945. She won a Pulitzer Prize; and
was Poet Laureate of Illinois. She succeeded Carl Sandburg in that
position.?
I am posting a link so you can hear her read her poem, "A Song in the
Front Yard."? It is from 1963, one of the earlier poems where she
describes what she sees and thinks about the people in her neighborhood.
As you listen or read this poem you can think about the carefully chosen
words. This poem is full of symbols - you might try to identify some of
them and then think about what she is conveying to the reader through
the symbolism. Her symbols begin before you even start reading the
poem..look at the title of it. Begin there.
Listen? to Brooks read her poem "A Song in the Front Yard" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWA6V3OaoR8
You can read the text copy of this poem by opening up the attachment.
Enjoy!
Lynda Lambert, BFA, MA, MFA
104 River Road
Ellwood City, PA 16117
724 758 4979
My Blog:? http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
My Website:? http://lyndalambert.com
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:33:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Braille
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Bridgit,
I did not know that this neuropathy hit any but the older among us. I
did label all the folders in my file in Braille, but can no longer read
it. I am not only a promoter of Braille for the Blind, I truly feel it
ought to be on the general curriculum. My reasons may appear strange,
but never have I internalized the structure of words as I did when
learning the advanced words. In retrospect, I felt it would have helped
my learning disabled students. When you feel the letters and also
visualize them, it works wonders for memory. I an thing of all of the
prefixes, suffixes, short cuts, etc. There is so much of value.
My grandson, then 5 when I was practicing it, picked it up so fast, and
was so enthusiastic, that I wished it had been something regularly
studied in his "seeing" classroom. They do not publish anything in jumbo
Braille, and I do not know that it is even available on your Braille
readers. Thanks for your response. Jackie
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Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:54 AM
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] Braille
Jackie,
I too have neuropathy and therefore it takes a very long time to read
Braille. This has been very difficult when reading to Declan and Penny.
I will make stories up when it's too tedious to read Braille books to
them, but with Penny, it's getting to that point when this doesn't work
so well anymore, sigh. I'm a huge supporter of Braille education though,
and despite the exceptions like you and me, I encourage all blind
people-- totals and partials-- to learn the system. Despite my
"handicap" with Braille, I still use it for things like labeling and
it's a life-saver, grin.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] CNF/blindness prompt (Aine)
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Ain,
So nice to get your reply. I will make this brief from necessity. I
don't recommend bungee jumping since finding? that the retina can detach
it there is too much of a snap at the bottom of the jump. In fact, the
gentleman who did it said that he would never repeat it. My visual
condition is a mix of dry and wet macular degeneration, and surgery and
poor results from cataract surgery. I have a little peripheral vision in
my left eye. In the right, little flecks of vision that when I scan, I
can pick up information. I could use a CCTV after that surgery, until
they replaced a cataract in an effort to maximize my vision. Thereafter,
the left and right had totally different planes making me unable to
decipher letters. They gave me a pair of glasses which failed to do
anything. I took Braille for about three years, but because of
peripheral neuropathy, it was jumbo Braille, and then still taking 12
minutes for a page that had to written by my instructor, and increasing
numbness, I gave it up. I am still a great supporter of Braille
education.
I am so glad you have at least a little light perception. I count my
blessings every day that I do have that.? Have you ever seen colors?
My son who is fifty-three now still swims at least every other day, and
has taught swimming to many children including his son. He recently had
a melanoma removed, and has to be vigilant now. I know Australia has a
sun like Arizona! I do use JAWS and will soon learn to use an upgraded
system for everything. So I am winding down on e-mails for a time, but
probably will not be able to resist reading? selected ones. I hope the
learning curve does not take too long. My greatest good wishes for both
your music aspirations, and a full life. Jackie
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 19:20:14 -0600
From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net> (by way of David ???
Andrews??? <dandrews at visi.com>)
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] A Couple Free Braille Books
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I have a copy of Bartlett's Familiar Quotations in Braille that I
will happily give to anyone who wants it.? It is in 105 soft-covered
Braille volumes, and I will ship it as Free Matter for the Blind.? I
am also giving away a Braille copy of the University of Chicago
English-Spanish Spanish-English Pocket Dictionary, in 27 soft-covered
volumes.? Both books are available on a first come, first served
basis.? Please contact me at dkent5817 at att.net or 773-203-1394.
Debbie Stein
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 21:15:37 -0600
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
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I recently circulated a message about free Braille books.? If you are
interested, please contact Debbie directly at: dkent5817 at att.net
Thanks!
Dave
At 07:20 PM 2/7/2013, you wrote:
>I have a copy of Bartlett's Familiar Quotations in Braille that I
>will happily give to anyone who wants it.? It is in 105 soft-covered
>Braille volumes, and I will ship it as Free Matter for the Blind.? I
>am also giving away a Braille copy of the University of Chicago
>English-Spanish Spanish-English Pocket Dictionary, in 27
>soft-covered volumes.? Both books are available on a first come,
>first served basis.? Please contact me at dkent5817 at att.net or
773-203-1394.
>
>Debbie Stein
dkent5817 at att.net
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 22:22:08 -0500
From: "Mary-Jo Lord" <mjfingerprints at comcast.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
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Hi Jackie,
I don't think you should have to join to play the link.? Did Linda's
link work for you?
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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jacqueline Williams
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
Mary Jo,
I cut the U tube link and pasted it into my search box, and it seems my
computer would not open this. It said I did not have installed what I
needed. I usually get everything else. Do you have to join to get U-tube
stuff?
At any rate, thanks for your comments on the attachments and other
information. It is wonderful to have such a wonderfully responsive
group. Jackie
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:43 PM
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Hi Jackie,
I like your take on the form.
I copied We Real Cool from the internet.? Hopefully the line breaks
stayed. Also, here is a youtube link where she reads the poem and gives
an explanation of what made her write it.
We Real Cool
The Pool Players.
Seven at the Golden Shovel.
We real cool. We
Left school. We
Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We
Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We
Jazz June. We
Die soon.
Gwendolyn Brooks
http://192.168.1.1/
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Jacqueline Williams
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
Well, I forgot the attachments. Here goes again. I have put in the two
poems, plus an article about Gwendolyn Brooks.
Jackie
Jackie
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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
February is Black History Month. . .
I was initially scheduled to do a lesson on the poetry of African
Americans in December. I have been struggling with health issues, and
been recovering from surgery since the beginning of January. Therefore,
I thought I would bring you some poems of African American poets during
February. I will post some poems by different black poets from time to
time during this month. I think you will really enjoy meeting some poets
you may not be familiar with, and maybe revisit some you already know.
This morning I would like to introduce you to Gwendolyn Brooks. She was
born in Topeka, Kansas? (1917) but grew up in Chicago, Illinois. She is
generally considered an Illinois poet. In her earlier years, prior to
1967,? she focused on depicting the characters of her race, to bring
them to life on the page.? The local people of her neighborhood were the
subject of her poems. She passed away on December 3, 2000.
I had the privilege of attending a writing workshop for poetry one
afternoon at Slippery Rock University of PA. Gwendolyn was the poet in
residence that day and budding poets could read a poem for her and she
would respond to it. She was so gentle and kind, and encouraging to the
young students who read for her.? When one of them said, with
hesitation, that she had self published a chap book of her work.? Brooks
looked at her and said, "You do not need to feel apologetic about
publishing your own book. It is a book after all. You wrote a book. You
have a published book. That is something to be proud of."
In 1967 Gwendolyn Brooks'? work changed after she took a workshop at
Fisk University and met other black poets, such as Amiri Baraka. She had
a "New Awakening" through this experience. I have always been aware that
an encounter with one person can change your life forever, and this was
certainly true for Brooks.
Brooks' first book was published in 1945. She won a Pulitzer Prize; and
was Poet Laureate of Illinois. She succeeded Carl Sandburg in that
position.?
I am posting a link so you can hear her read her poem, "A Song in the
Front Yard."? It is from 1963, one of the earlier poems where she
describes what she sees and thinks about the people in her neighborhood.
As you listen or read this poem you can think about the carefully chosen
words. This poem is full of symbols - you might try to identify some of
them and then think about what she is conveying to the reader through
the symbolism. Her symbols begin before you even start reading the
poem..look at the title of it. Begin there.
Listen? to Brooks read her poem "A Song in the Front Yard" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWA6V3OaoR8
You can read the text copy of this poem by opening up the attachment.
Enjoy!
Lynda Lambert, BFA, MA, MFA
104 River Road
Ellwood City, PA 16117
724 758 4979
My Blog:? http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
My Website:? http://lyndalambert.com
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:03:09 -0600
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
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Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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We were discussing how the impact of what is read is influenced by the
reader, themselves (by what they personally bring to the reading-table).
And here is an interesting thought or outcome that is happening to too
many blind people! First as a baseline thought - the sighted
student/reader who uses print to read literature, educational stuff and
the like - they are reading the words themselves, visually scanning,
actively processing --- while during this process, the student is being
exposed to important "reading related/literacy" features/elements such
as: format, punctuation, spelling, and features like tables, graphs,
pictures, etc. Also, along the same line of literacy, of actively
reading for oneself --- The blind reader who has the skill of Braille
can get the same basic exposure to content, plus all the important
literacy features as - format, punctuation, spelling and the other
stuff. However, in today's world, at least in this country, Braille is
not being taught as a first-line method of reading for the non-print
reader! And yeah, you all have heard this gripe, this warning before.
There again my point today is a bit different: My thought, question is
--- hey --- picture this- if you could not read print, did not know
Braille and could only hear new information, be it a textbook, or poem
or piece of prose --- you were not getting exposed to formatting,
punctuation, or spelling of anything you heard;
And so I ask does this then essentially take the blind person back to
the preprint era, back to learning via the oral tradition? Yeah --- what
are these teachers thinking? (Another bazaar thought - what do you think
these teachers who are doing this to the blind would do --- if they were
to find that in school their very own sighted children would have print
taken away and their child was restricted to only listening to what was
being taught??)
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:31:18 -0500
From: "Chris Kuell" <ckuell at comcast.net>
To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] new writing prompt
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Greetings fellow scribes--
Here in Connecticut we've already got 3 inches of snow, and the
predictions are between 18 and 36 inches by the time the blizzard is
done. Since the house is clean and I'm up to date on my work, I figured
it would be a great time for a new writing prompt. The last two in
December and January didn't get much participation, so let's try one
that might be a little more fun this month.
The prompt is simple. Take a line from a song, any song, and use it as
the first line in a poem, essay or short story. There are no other
limitations, so I hope to see some creative responses. I'd also like to
encourage everyone to give constructive feedback to those who post their
work. I can't reiterate the importance of critiquing other's work
enough. It will help to improve your own writing.
For those interested in even more of a challenge,pick a number between 1
and 10. Turn on your ipod, set it to shuffle, and go forward that number
of songs. You must use a line from the song you? land on.
Looking forward to your responses.
chris
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:29:34 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Braille
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Jackie,
I don't believe jumbo Braille is accessible as regular Braille. I
actually have found jumbo Braille to be even more tedious than regular
Braille. I can feel the raised dots but have problems distinguishing the
characters.
There are different types of neuropathy, and yes, it can affect anyone.
After the unknown viral infection, pneumonia and uraceptis hit me, which
is what caused my blindness, it also affected other areas of my health.
I since have developed neuropathy, tachycardia (which is an accelerated
heart rate) and my already low blood pressure will suffer episodes of
dangerously low numbers. And I'm only 31.
Like you, I find Braille a unique way in which to explore letters and
words. They say you use your visual part of the brain to learn Braille,
and I definitely visualize the letters and characters in my head. When I
was first learning Braille and computer with JAWS, I would have problems
typing quickly since I kept visualizing Braille as opposed to the actual
letters, and for me, this would trip me up, grin.
Braille is a crucial and vital tool for blind people though, and I know
a few people with severe dyslexia who have experimented with learning
Braille, and it seems to help. It's scary to think people, including
blind people, want and believe Braille is becoming obsolete. I know this
is a huge issue that sparks a lot of debates and contraversy , but also
remember that print, to an extent, is in danger of changing as well. My
mom has been a teacher for 16 years, and she says in public schools they
use computers and other screen devices like tablets in which to teach
instead of good old pencil and paper. Kids are learning to read and
write on computers, and you have to wonder what will be the outcome for
removing tactile sensations from society.
Okay, this has turned into a rant, smile.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:33:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Braille
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Bridgit,
I did not know that this neuropathy hit any but the older among us. I
did label all the folders in my file in Braille, but can no longer read
it. I am not only a promoter of Braille for the Blind, I truly feel it
ought to be on the general curriculum. My reasons may appear strange,
but never have I internalized the structure of words as I did when
learning the advanced words. In retrospect, I felt it would have helped
my learning disabled students. When you feel the letters and also
visualize them, it works wonders for memory. I an thing of all of the
prefixes, suffixes, short cuts, etc. There is so much of value.
My grandson, then 5 when I was practicing it, picked it up so fast, and
was so enthusiastic, that I wished it had been something regularly
studied in his "seeing" classroom. They do not publish anything in jumbo
Braille, and I do not know that it is even available on your Braille
readers. Thanks for your response. Jackie
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:41:26 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] The ponder to take to another level
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I think this is a travesty that kids aren't learning exactly what
sighted kids are learning. Clumped together, we all learn at different
paces with different methods, and we all have an individual
comprehension level, but at most sighted kids (and there are exceptions
to this) but in general, sighted kids are learning together at the same
time, receiving the same information with the same material. Blind kids
are often not afforded the opportunity to access said material at the
same time or in the same way. Kids who need Braille but don't receive
instruction or proper instruction, are expected to learn either verbally
or via computer, or perhaps both, but they don't have the opportunity to
pick up information in the same way as their sighted peers. Kids who
have some level of vision are expected to use this vision, and for many
it's difficult and tedious, leading them to develop a learning delay and
worse, giving up. And it's the education system insisting upon this
disgrace. Regardless what people think, this states that blind kids
aren't worth the extra effort, and that they don't qualify for the same
opportunities in life as nondisabled kids. I wrote a paper on this at
university, but it's such a complicated issue that begins to run off in
various directions once you research, but it's a problem that needs
immediate addressing. And of course, education in general needs major
reform and growth.
Going back to a comment of Robert's, I heard once of a student who only
read audio material. He was not aware of punctuation and grammar, and he
thought the phrase, "Once upon a time," was a single word. This just
shouldn't be happening.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
Message: 12
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:03:09 -0600
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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We were discussing how the impact of what is read is influenced by the
reader, themselves (by what they personally bring to the reading-table).
And here is an interesting thought or outcome that is happening to too
many blind people! First as a baseline thought - the sighted
student/reader who uses print to read literature, educational stuff and
the like - they are reading the words themselves, visually scanning,
actively processing --- while during this process, the student is being
exposed to important "reading related/literacy" features/elements such
as: format, punctuation, spelling, and features like tables, graphs,
pictures, etc. Also, along the same line of literacy, of actively
reading for oneself --- The blind reader who has the skill of Braille
can get the same basic exposure to content, plus all the important
literacy features as - format, punctuation, spelling and the other
stuff. However, in today's world, at least in this country, Braille is
not being taught as a first-line method of reading for the non-print
reader! And yeah, you all have heard this gripe, this warning before.
There again my point today is a bit different: My thought, question is
--- hey --- picture this- if you could not read print, did not know
Braille and could only hear new information, be it a textbook, or poem
or piece of prose --- you were not getting exposed to formatting,
punctuation, or spelling of anything you heard;
And so I ask does this then essentially take the blind person back to
the preprint era, back to learning via the oral tradition? Yeah --- what
are these teachers thinking? (Another bazaar thought - what do you think
these teachers who are doing this to the blind would do --- if they were
to find that in school their very own sighted children would have print
taken away and their child was restricted to only listening to what was
being taught??)
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:53:29 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Our new Med Center commercial
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A few years ago, I was a part of a press conference after the NE Med
Center's new diabetes clinic was built. I, along with my endo, were
interviewed. This caught the attention of the Nebraska Medical Center's
marketing department, and they featured me in its 1001 Publication. This
led to participating in one of their advertising campaigns in which I
was picked up in a town car, escorted to a sound studio, sent to hair
and make-up and wardrobe and filmed television and radio commercials.
This is how I gained attention from the Omaha World Herald who hired me
to blog for its Live Well Website, and I have had the opportunity to do
public speaking engagements around Omaha because of this. A couple of
months ago, they asked to do an updated story since I have now had
Declan. We recently were interviewed and filmed at our house about the
experience. I'm posting the You Tube link with the commercial.
Declan is of course the break-out star, grin. There are shots of me
rocking him and Declan and I at his changing table along with the three
of us, Declan, Ross and me, being interviewed. When you hear a talking
device measuring, it's a shot of Ross measuring milk for bottles. And
FYI, Declan is wearing a long-sleeve t-shirt with a penguin and it says
Daddy's Buddy, and he has denim pants on with penguins on the cuffs. You
will hear him talking too, smile. Something he does a lot of these days
along with laughing, grin.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncd4e4ZE2x8
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 23:03:55 +0100
From: Aine Kelly-Costello <ainekc at gmail.com>
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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Here are some perhaps rather jumbled thoughts ...
I learned braille as a very young child. I think I started
pre-braille activities at 3, and I have a few vague memories of
reading a progressive series of books at four (I lived in Ireland
then, where starting school at four is the norm). These books
were progressive in the sense that after I'd mastered grade 1
(letters, punctuation and numbers only), each new one introduced
me to one or two new contractions. I'd say I had a reasonably
good grasp of braille by the time I was six, and would have
finished learning all the contractions around then (for the
non-braille readers, Braille contractions are plentiful ...
there's probably two hundred or so in English). The risk you run
by learning contractions "too soon" is one of not actually being
able to spell the darn words you know contractions for in the
first place. For example, once you know that "receive" is written
rcv, it's very easy to forget whether it's spelled "receive" or
"recieve", seeing as practically everything you read in Braille
will contain the contraction. When I was little, I remember there
being questions raised about which contractions were and were not
legit in spelling tests. In my opinion, set letter combinations
like ar, in, en, ing, com, con etc are okay, but writing rcv for
"receive" or dot 5 q for "question" are obviously not. My point
here is that even if you read Braille, spelling may still be
tricky.
Regarding whether a blind person can learn visually ... That
depends how you define "visual", if you ask me. I've always been
a reasonably accurate speller (the one exception to that being
homophones which I'll talk about below). The few times I've had
to memorize spelling lists, I listen to the word and then an
"image" pops up in my head which "looks" like me feeling the
Braille. Therefore I think I remember the word by remembering how
it looks in grade 2 (contracted) Braille, not letter by letter.
On a side note, I think a knowledge of grade 2 makes it easier
for me to see words in their morphemes or syllables because of
the way contractions go. When I'm doing crosswords with my
family, I am always the quickest to work out how many letters
there are in a long-ish word.
Moving on to screenreaders, here are some thoughts (in no
particular order:
1. There are many different synthesizers out there. Of course
they all have their good points, their differences and their
idiosyncrasies. For example, one might say "tear" as "teer" while
another would say "tare". One calls an acquaintance whose last
name is Mishoe "Misho" while another says "mis-hoe". This trend
is a bit of a pain and doesn't exactly facilitate recognition of
words which are in fact spelled the same but pronounced
differently. It's especially a pain when the screenreader in
question thinks it's reading one language while it's actually
reading another. I'm very used to my BrailleNote's English
Spanish but JAW's is totally different; I find it much trickier
to decipher and have to pay very close attention.
2. A lot of screenreader users, from my experience anyway (and
I'm sure I've done it before), tend to occasionally infer
spelling of words new to them solely from listening, and without
checking on them. I've had various screenreader users e-mail me
with my name, "Aine", spelled "Ain" or "Ane" because according to
JAWS, these three spellings are identical (incidentally, the
BrailleNote's keynote gold synthesizer pronounces "Ain" as
"Ann").
3. Homophones. I have a problem here ... Admit it, we've probably
all written the wrong "there/their/they're" at some point. But
I've taken this case to the extreme: I have in the past mixed up
"role" and "roll", "route" and "root", "jell" and "gel", "sight"
and "site" ... Now of course I know exactly what all these words
mean and which is which (now, at least ...) but I strongly
suspect that my accidental lack of respect for their spelling has
rather a lot to do with reliance on speech for reading. The other
problem, evidently, is when you're proofreading, if you rely
solely on the speech and don't use a braille display (which I
admit I often do with long texts as it's about thrae times
faster) you have no way to "catch" homophones, leaving them to go
unnoticed and for whoever you might be sending your writing to to
see.
4. Human accents. If you live in Australia or New Zealand, or
even some parts of England, you will know that the words
"flaw"/"floor" and "saw"/"sore" can often sound remarkably alike
in every day speech. So alike, in fact, that people don't always
realize how to spell them. I have seen two e-mails, written in
reasonably formal situations by two different sighted adults,
informing me that such and such was a "very highly sort after"
teacher. This is taken to another level among blind people,
though: I've seen people talk about "Lattern" (Latin) dancing and
"precortions" (precautions) among others. I spent three and a
half years in Canada and have parents with mid-Atlantic accents
so I am happily free from this problem. I do remember my brother
arriving home from his first day of school in New Zealand though
(he was five, and we'd just recently moved there), claiming they
were being taught the letter w with a song that went "wheat and
windy, wih, wih, wih". And so, he was introduced to the strong
"ehh" sound in the New Zealand accent ...
Now on to the advantages of braille. Screenreaders, as some have
mentioned already, are a pain when it comes to understanding form
and recognizing pudctuation. Sure they can read you the
punctuation, but being told there's a comma and actually reading
that comma for yourself are in my opinion too different things).
This is especially true of poetry. The first few times I read any
poem, it is ALWAYS by hand. I have a BrailleNote with a braille
display, and this is one of its many uses. To be honest, though,
if a blind person really wants to see form clearly, you can't
beat hard-copy Braille in my opinion. For example, I remember
having to multiply matrices in my year 11 Maths exam. This was
quite literally done with one hand on one matrix reading
horizontally and the other hand on the other one reading
vertically. If I had tried to do that with a screen reader I
think my brain might have overloaded ...
Beyond seeing form and punctuation, there are obviously more
advantages of being able to read Braille. Braille Music, for
instance. I'd never have been able to join orchestras and be
where I am at the moment music-wise without it. What about
learning a new language? I like to be able to read books in
Spanish by hand because, it not being nearly as strong as my
English, I still miss detail when using speech. It's also great
for giving speeches and debates. I would not be at all amused if
I had to speak in an impromptu debate without being able to read
my notes in Braille. Being able to participate in class when
people are reading out, say, lines from different characters in a
play, is definitely nice. Moreover, I know I'd really have
struggled to do well in Maths without Braille, and I'm not just
talking about the matrices. I don't know how you could proofread
long, complicated calculus with a screenreader in an exam, it'd
surely be slow at best.
Anyway, there are my musings on the topic ...
Aine
---- Original Message ------
From: "Aine Kelly-Costello" <ainekc at gmail.com
Subject: Fw: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level Date
sent: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 07:21:12 +1300
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
This is a really good question, Robert.
I have noticed that so many blind people spell things so wonky,
and maybe
this is why. I always wonder is spelling is really taught and
learned
visually. I really have no experience with any of the discussion
on
Braille because I do not use it - I do everything with
electronics and
some things with a CCTV. I have only had sight loss for 5
years, so I
really have no idea how blind children learn things like
spelling,
grammar, formatting, and punctuation. To me, they are all
visual, and it
is very hard for me to understand it any other way - well, I
really don't
understand it any other way. When I am reading (listening to a
voice on a
machine) I am still listening visually. I see it in my mind, and
if I
cannot see it that way, it's confusing to me. Auditory skills
would rate
very low for me. Everyone has strength in certain skills and
ways of
learning - and I am a Visual learner above all else. That did
not change -
I still have to be able to SEE it to remember it - I have to
stop and SEE
a picture in my mind before it sticks with me.
Writing and reading, for me, has always been a visual
experience. This
makes me wonder, can a person who has always been blind be a
Visual
learner? And, then, I wonder, how does a blind person visualize
things?
These are some things I am thinking about and working with a
blind painter
friend to put together an exhibition on how people see and
visualize.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:03 AM
Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
We were discussing how the impact of what is read is influenced
by the
reader, themselves (by what they personally bring to the
reading-table).
And here is an interesting thought or outcome that is happening
to too
many
blind people! First as a baseline thought - the sighted
student/reader
who
uses print to read literature, educational stuff and the like -
they are
reading the words themselves, visually scanning, actively
processing ---
while during this process, the student is being exposed to
important
"reading related/literacy" features/elements such as: format,
punctuation, spelling, and features like tables, graphs, pictures, etc.
Also,
along
the
same line of literacy, of actively reading for oneself --- The
blind
reader
who has the skill of Braille can get the same basic exposure to
content,
plus all the important literacy features as - format,
punctuation,
spelling
and the other stuff. However, in today's world, at least in this
country,
Braille is not being taught as a first-line method of reading
for the
non-print reader! And yeah, you all have heard this gripe, this
warning
before. There again my point today is a bit different: My
thought,
question
is --- hey --- picture this- if you could not read print, did
not know
Braille and could only hear new information, be it a textbook,
or poem or
piece of prose --- you were not getting exposed to formatting,
punctuation, or spelling of anything you heard; And so I ask does this
then essentially take the blind person
back to the
preprint era, back to learning via the oral tradition? Yeah ---
what are
these teachers thinking? (Another bazaar thought - what do you
think
these
teachers who are doing this to the blind would do --- if they
were to
find
that in school their very own sighted children would have print
taken
away
and their child was restricted to only listening to what was
being
taught??)
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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:07:14 -0600
From: Myrna Badgerow <kajuncutie926 at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Our new Med Center commercial
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This was such a beautiful video! That is one handsome little guy. Thank
you so much for not only your story but also sharing your beautiful
family with us.
Myrna
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 8, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> A few years ago, I was a part of a press conference after the NE Med
> Center's new diabetes clinic was built. I, along with my endo, were
> interviewed. This caught the attention of the Nebraska Medical
> Center's marketing department, and they featured me in its 1001
> Publication. This led to participating in one of their advertising
> campaigns in which I was picked up in a town car, escorted to a sound
> studio, sent to hair and make-up and wardrobe and filmed television
> and radio commercials. This is how I gained attention from the Omaha
> World Herald who hired me to blog for its Live Well Website, and I
> have had the opportunity to do public speaking engagements around
> Omaha because of this. A couple of months ago, they asked to do an
> updated story since I have now had Declan. We recently were
> interviewed and filmed at our house about the experience. I'm posting
> the You Tube link with the commercial.
>
> Declan is of course the break-out star, grin. There are shots of me
> rocking him and Declan and I at his changing table along with the
> three of us, Declan, Ross and me, being interviewed. When you hear a
> talking device measuring, it's a shot of Ross measuring milk for
> bottles. And FYI, Declan is wearing a long-sleeve t-shirt with a
> penguin and it says Daddy's Buddy, and he has denim pants on with
> penguins on the cuffs. You will hear him talking too, smile. Something
> he does a lot of these days along with laughing, grin.
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncd4e4ZE2x8
>
> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
> Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
> satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
> another world." C. S. Lewis
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:49:06 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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Amen to this, Robert. Another way of looking at it is asking the teacher
how they would feel if their child came home saying, "Hey, Mom, I don't
have to learn to read! My teachers says I'm such a good listener, that I
can just have audio books!"
They know it isn't equivalent to print literacy, but audio is cheaper by
a country mile. I like how the law says that Braille is to be assumed
the reading method of choice, but the regs effectively vanquish that
little clause. Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Leslie Newman
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:03 AM
To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
We were discussing how the impact of what is read is influenced by the
reader, themselves (by what they personally bring to the reading-table).
And here is an interesting thought or outcome that is happening to too
many blind people! First as a baseline thought - the sighted
student/reader who uses print to read literature, educational stuff and
the like - they are reading the words themselves, visually scanning,
actively processing --- while during this process, the student is being
exposed to important "reading related/literacy" features/elements such
as: format, punctuation, spelling, and features like tables, graphs,
pictures, etc. Also, along the same line of literacy, of actively
reading for oneself --- The blind reader who has the skill of Braille
can get the same basic exposure to content, plus all the important
literacy features as - format, punctuation, spelling and the other
stuff. However, in today's world, at least in this country, Braille is
not being taught as a first-line method of reading for the non-print
reader! And yeah, you all have heard this gripe, this warning before.
There again my point today is a bit different: My thought, question is
--- hey --- picture this- if you could not read print, did not know
Braille and could only hear new information, be it a textbook, or poem
or piece of prose --- you were not getting exposed to formatting,
punctuation, or spelling of anything you heard; And so I ask does this
then essentially take the blind person back to the preprint era, back to
learning via the oral tradition? Yeah --- what are these teachers
thinking? (Another bazaar thought - what do you think these teachers who
are doing this to the blind would do --- if they were to find that in
school their very own sighted children would have print taken away and
their child was restricted to only listening to what was being taught??)
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:57:04 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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Lynda,
The truth is that blind kids don't learn either spelling or sentence
structure unless they read Braille. They may pick up a bit if they think
to use their screen reader's ability to read letter by letter, but none
of us think to check all the things we really need. After all, you might
hear, "Smith" but the spelling is with a y. Studies show that non
Braille users have not only poor spelling and punctuation, but poor
abilities to construct their ideas into words. Who cares, though? After
all, their blind, what can they be expected to do anyway?
The other thing is that the kids who have some reading vision and are
forced to spend their time laboring over large print and CCTVs learn to
hate reading. As for visualizing, I am a very visual Braille reader, and
having once been able to see print, I visualize both the Braille and
print letters. Studies show that when congenitally blind people read
Braille, they are activating the visual cortex. Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
Lambert
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:02 PM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
This is a really good question, Robert.
I have noticed that so many blind people spell things so wonky, and
maybe this is why. I always wonder is spelling is really taught and
learned visually. I really have no experience with any of the discussion
on Braille because I do not use it - I do everything with electronics
and some things
with a CCTV. I have only had sight loss for 5 years, so I really have
no
idea how blind children learn things like spelling, grammar, formatting,
and punctuation. To me, they are all visual, and it is very hard for me
to understand it any other way - well, I really don't understand it any
other way. When I am reading (listening to a voice on a machine) I am
still listening visually. I see it in my mind, and if I cannot see it
that way, it's confusing to me. Auditory skills would rate very low
for me.
Everyone has strength in certain skills and ways of learning - and I am
a Visual learner above all else. That did not change - I still have to
be able to SEE it to remember it - I have to stop and SEE a picture in
my mind before it sticks with me. Writing and reading, for me, has
always been a visual experience. This makes me wonder, can a person who
has always been blind be a Visual learner?
And, then, I wonder, how does a blind person visualize things? These
are some things I am thinking about and working with a blind painter
friend to put together an exhibition on how people see and visualize.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:03 AM
Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
> We were discussing how the impact of what is read is influenced by the
> reader, themselves (by what they personally bring to the
> reading-table). And here is an interesting thought or outcome that is
> happening to too many blind people! First as a baseline thought - the
> sighted student/reader who uses print to read literature, educational
> stuff and the like - they are reading the words themselves, visually
> scanning, actively processing --- while during this process, the
> student is being exposed to important "reading related/literacy"
> features/elements such as: format, punctuation, spelling, and features
> like tables, graphs, pictures, etc. Also, along the same line of
> literacy, of actively reading for oneself --- The blind reader
> who has the skill of Braille can get the same basic exposure to
content,
> plus all the important literacy features as - format, punctuation,
> spelling
> and the other stuff. However, in today's world, at least in this
country,
> Braille is not being taught as a first-line method of reading for the
> non-print reader! And yeah, you all have heard this gripe, this
warning
> before. There again my point today is a bit different: My thought,
> question
> is --- hey --- picture this- if you could not read print, did not know
> Braille and could only hear new information, be it a textbook, or poem
or
> piece of prose --- you were not getting exposed to formatting,
> punctuation,
> or spelling of anything you heard;
> And so I ask does this then essentially take the blind person back to
the
> preprint era, back to learning via the oral tradition? Yeah --- what
are
> these teachers thinking? (Another bazaar thought - what do you think
these
> teachers who are doing this to the blind would do --- if they were to
find
> that in school their very own sighted children would have print taken
away
> and their child was restricted to only listening to what was being
> taught??)
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:03:00 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Braille
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Erica,
I didn't learn Braille till after I graduated from college, and I didn't
study formally. Nevertheless, the fact that I did know something allowed
me to live independently for 20 years, before getting married. I'm
better than I was, but my hands have a lot of numbness from carpal
tunnel. I wish they had taught it to me as a child, but I had a little
reading vision. Even though I was legally blind, they didn't want me to
"look blind." What a joke that is! Imagine the difference between the
look on the face of a totally blind child who has been reading Braille
from the start and a kid who is crumpled over a book they can barely
see. Who looks blind? My classmates knew, but the system bows to the
idol of eyesight. Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
babslady79 at bellsouth.net (Erica Turner)
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:18 PM
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [stylist] Braille
Bridget,
?
I agree with you in that learning as sometimes using braille can be a
bit tedious, however, I am committed to learning every aspect of it I
can. With the knowledge of braille that I have so far, I have brailled
things in my home that I use on a daily basis and I even braille my
son's weekly vocabulary? words. I too am committed to spreading the word
about braille literacy and strongly encourage those who are advanced as
well as those that are new to braille to continue to use your skills and
help those who are struggling with grasping the system.
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own
understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy
paths." --Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
Erica Turner
Home: 904-284-4511
Cell: 904-881-1168
E-mail: babslady79 at bellsouth.net
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 13:38:35 -0500
From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
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Aine, this is perfect! What a great connection you have made here. Lynda
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
> this reminds me of a W. H. Auden poem I studied last year called 'In
> Memory of W. B. Yeats". The relevant stanza goes:
>
>
> Now he is scattered among a hundred cities
> And wholly given over to unfamiliar affections;
> To find his happiness in another kind of wood
> And be punished under a foreign code of conscience.
> The words of a dead man
> Are modified in the guts of the living.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>
>
>>I think it is impossible that a reader cannot bring their "stuff" to
>>the
>>work. We create it, and then it is sent out into the world. And, god
knows
>>what happens to it after that!? lol???We all bring our own history to
>>everything we see, hear, touch, smell, etc.? That is why contemporary
art
>>and writing is such a barrier to the reader - it takes a lot of
knowledge
>>and "history" to even begin to work through the difficult things.
>> Lynda
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynda ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>
>>
>>> Bridgit,
>>> Is he saying that the illusion is the writer's belief that they are
>>> communicating "x" and that the reader, bringing to each work their
>>> own life experiences, gleens "y?" I think that's true, but I still
>>> believe in trying
>>> to communicate precisely whatever I'm trying to get across, but I
enjoy
>>> the
>>> fact that readers get things out of it that I didn't think I was
>>> communicating -- hopefully tangential and not diametrically
opposite.
>>> *grin*
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:13 PM
>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>>
>>> Thought I'd post another quote to spark some discussion. This comes
>>> from
>>> one
>>> of the writers I featured in the creative nonfiction lesson.
>>>
>>> "Writing gives you the illusion of control, and then you realize its
>>> just an
>>> illusion, that people are going to bring their own stuff into it."
>>> David Sedaris
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style Read my blog at:
>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>
>>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
>>> satisfy,
>>> we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for another
world."
>>> C. S. Lewis
>>>
>>>
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:53:51 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
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Subject: [stylist] Braille
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Jackie,
I too have neuropathy and therefore it takes a very long time to read
Braille. This has been very difficult when reading to Declan and Penny.
I will make stories up when it's too tedious to read Braille books to
them, but with Penny, it's getting to that point when this doesn't work
so well anymore, sigh. I'm a huge supporter of Braille education though,
and despite the exceptions like you and me, I encourage all blind
people-- totals and partials-- to learn the system. Despite my
"handicap" with Braille, I still use it for things like labeling and
it's a life-saver, grin.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] CNF/blindness prompt (Aine)
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Ain,
So nice to get your reply. I will make this brief from necessity. I
don't recommend bungee jumping since finding? that the retina can detach
it there is too much of a snap at the bottom of the jump. In fact, the
gentleman who did it said that he would never repeat it. My visual
condition is a mix of dry and wet macular degeneration, and surgery and
poor results from cataract surgery. I have a little peripheral vision in
my left eye. In the right, little flecks of vision that when I scan, I
can pick up information. I could use a CCTV after that surgery, until
they replaced a cataract in an effort to maximize my vision. Thereafter,
the left and right had totally different planes making me unable to
decipher letters. They gave me a pair of glasses which failed to do
anything. I took Braille for about three years, but because of
peripheral neuropathy, it was jumbo Braille, and then still taking 12
minutes for a page that had to written by my instructor, and increasing
numbness, I gave it up. I am still a great supporter of Braille
education.
I am so glad you have at least a little light perception. I count my
blessings every day that I do have that.? Have you ever seen colors?
My son who is fifty-three now still swims at least every other day, and
has taught swimming to many children including his son. He recently had
a melanoma removed, and has to be vigilant now. I know Australia has a
sun like Arizona! I do use JAWS and will soon learn to use an upgraded
system for everything. So I am winding down on e-mails for a time, but
probably will not be able to resist reading? selected ones. I hope the
learning curve does not take too long. My greatest good wishes for both
your music aspirations, and a full life. Jackie
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 13:04:29 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder
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Donna,
It's up to the individual to interpret what they believe this quote is,
though I would agree with your assessment.
Sedaris is not necessarily saying to not be precise and concise with
what you write, but rather, he's noting how people not only will
interpret material based on their individual experiences and knowledge,
but that readers are the ones who ultimately determine if what we write
is worth writing. I may have a story to tell, but if no one else finds
it interesting, I must either find a way in which to make it
interesting, or I must consider a new story. This is the process and
goal for all writers.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
Message: 11
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:47:47 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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Bridgit,
Is he saying that the illusion is the writer's belief that they are
communicating "x" and that the reader, bringing to each work their own
life experiences, gleens "y?" I think that's true, but I still believe
in trying to communicate precisely whatever I'm trying to get across,
but I enjoy the fact that readers get things out of it that I didn't
think I was communicating -- hopefully tangential and not diametrically
opposite. *grin* Donna?
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:43:15 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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Ooo! That's great. It reminds me of another quote I actually use in my
book. The kids are on a virtual tour of Westminster Abbey: "This is
good," said Tommy looking at the epitaph on T.S. Eliot's memorial, "'the
communication of the dead is tongued with fire beyond the language of
the living.'"? ?
Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aine
Kelly-Costello
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:57 AM
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this reminds me of a W. H. Auden poem I studied last year called 'In
Memory of W. B. Yeats". The relevant stanza goes:
Now he is scattered among a hundred cities
And wholly given over to unfamiliar affections;
To find his happiness in another kind of wood
And be punished under a foreign code of conscience.
The words of a dead man
Are modified in the guts of the living.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:33 AM
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>I think it is impossible that a reader cannot bring their "stuff" to
>the
>work. We create it, and then it is sent out into the world. And, god
knows
>what happens to it after that!? lol???We all bring our own history to
>everything we see, hear, touch, smell, etc.? That is why contemporary
art
>and writing is such a barrier to the reader - it takes a lot of
knowledge
>and "history" to even begin to work through the difficult things.
> Lynda
>
>
>
> Lynda ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>
>
>> Bridgit,
>> Is he saying that the illusion is the writer's belief that they are
>> communicating "x" and that the reader, bringing to each work their
>> own life experiences, gleens "y?" I think that's true, but I still
>> believe in trying
>> to communicate precisely whatever I'm trying to get across, but I
enjoy
>> the
>> fact that readers get things out of it that I didn't think I was
>> communicating -- hopefully tangential and not diametrically opposite.
>> *grin*
>> Donna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:13 PM
>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>
>> Thought I'd post another quote to spark some discussion. This comes
>> from
>> one
>> of the writers I featured in the creative nonfiction lesson.
>>
>> "Writing gives you the illusion of control, and then you realize its
>> just
>> an
>> illusion, that people are going to bring their own stuff into it."
>> David Sedaris
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style Read my blog at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>
>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
>> satisfy,
>> we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for another
world."
>> C. S. Lewis
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:49:26 +1300
From: "Aine Kelly-Costello" <ainekc at gmail.com>
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:) I like it, that is food for thought, all right
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
> Ooo! That's great. It reminds me of another quote I actually use in my
> book.
> The kids are on a virtual tour of Westminster Abbey:
> "This is good," said Tommy looking at the epitaph on T.S. Eliot's
> memorial,
> "'the communication of the dead is tongued with fire beyond the
language
> of
> the living.'"
> Donna
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aine
> Kelly-Costello
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:57 AM
> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>
> this reminds me of a W. H. Auden poem I studied last year called 'In
> Memory
> of W. B. Yeats". The relevant stanza goes:
>
>
> Now he is scattered among a hundred cities
> And wholly given over to unfamiliar affections;
> To find his happiness in another kind of wood
> And be punished under a foreign code of conscience.
> The words of a dead man
> Are modified in the guts of the living.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>
>
>>I think it is impossible that a reader cannot bring their "stuff" to
>>the work. We create it, and then it is sent out into the world. And,
>>god knows what happens to it after that!? lol???We all bring our own
>>history to everything we see, hear, touch, smell, etc.? That is why
>>contemporary art and writing is such a barrier to the reader - it
>>takes a lot of knowledge and "history" to even begin to work through
>>the difficult things. Lynda
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynda ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>
>>
>>> Bridgit,
>>> Is he saying that the illusion is the writer's belief that they are
>>> communicating "x" and that the reader, bringing to each work their
>>> own life experiences, gleens "y?" I think that's true, but I still
>>> believe in trying
>>> to communicate precisely whatever I'm trying to get across, but I
enjoy
>>> the
>>> fact that readers get things out of it that I didn't think I was
>>> communicating -- hopefully tangential and not diametrically
opposite.
>>> *grin*
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:13 PM
>>> To: stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder
>>>
>>> Thought I'd post another quote to spark some discussion. This comes
>>> from one of the writers I featured in the creative nonfiction
>>> lesson.
>>>
>>> "Writing gives you the illusion of control, and then you realize its
>>> just
>
>>> an
>>> illusion, that people are going to bring their own stuff into it."
>>> David Sedaris
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style Read my blog at:
>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>
>>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
>>> satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
>>> another world." C. S. Lewis
>>>
>>>
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:02:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
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Lynda,
Thanks so much for your comments, time, and more insights into your past
work, also. Jackie
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Lambert
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:30 AM
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Morning Jackie,
I am sharing some poets and a poem throughout the month of February as a
way
of celebrating this special month. There is no assignment intended, but
just
the joy of reading the work, and a few questions to help the readers
begin
to think about or discover what is there in the poem. I am trying to
choose
poems that are reflective of the poet's "voice."
Thanks for taking the time to send your reflections, the piece by Patty
Smith, and the poems. I really enjoyed reading this all today.
"We Real Cool"???is the poem Brooks is most famous for writing as it was
always published over the years in all the anthologies that included
her. It
is the one I was going to post, too. But, on reflection, I decided to go
with a differnt sort of poem that would not be as familiar.
What you are working on is so humorous and it is so clear who you are
responding to. Yes, deciding to put "We" at the end of each line is
distinctly Brook's trademark piece. Does anyone know of any other poem
that
does this? Off hand, I don't.
I just loved the piece by Patty Smith - I was right there with her in
this
piece. But we were not in Chicago, we were in New York City, and it was
not
poets, it was visual artists. This is how I experienced the introduction
to
a new book that had just been released - it was at a book store in NYC -
and
all around me, were the faces of so many of the visual artists I had
always
loved.
I sat next to Howardena Pindell. Later we would become acquainted, and
when
my book (Concerti: Psalms for the Pilgrimage)? came out it was Pindell
who
wrote the back cover commentary on it.? It turns out we were born the
same
year, and both experienced what it was like to have our father's taken
away
to fight in Europe for the first couple years of our lives.
It was Pindell's art that I researched and did programs on throughout
the
state of Pennsylvania for the Pennsylvania Humanities Council.? I spent
a
couple years lecturing all over the US on African American Art and
Literature, at academic conferences.
And, when one of my research papers was published in the Book, "Blacks
and
Whites Meeting in America"? by Terry White, it was Pindell's art that
was in
color on the cover of the book. I shared the same kind of feelings as
Smith
did, when in the center of a world populated by creative genius.
The quote that struck me this morning is this:
(Block Quote)
"The corner of her mouth twitched, then spread into one of those
indulgent
smiles that knots you up a little inside. It's the smile a teacher gives
you
before handing back a test paper with a grade lower than either of you
expected.
Without looking directly at me, Gwendolyn said, "Your problem should be
finding time for anything else." (End Block Quote)
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> Well, I forgot the attachments. Here goes again. I have put in the two
> poems, plus an article about Gwendolyn Brooks. Jackie
> Jackie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:22 AM
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> Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
>
> February is Black History Month. . .
>
> I was initially scheduled to do a lesson on the poetry of African
> Americans
> in December. I have been struggling with health issues, and been
> recovering
> from surgery since the beginning of January. Therefore, I thought I
would
> bring you some poems of African American poets during February. I will
> post
> some poems by different black poets from time to time during this
month. I
> think you will really enjoy meeting some poets you may not be familiar
> with,
> and maybe revisit some you already know.
>
>
>
> This morning I would like to introduce you to Gwendolyn Brooks. She
> was
> born
> in Topeka, Kansas? (1917) but grew up in Chicago, Illinois. She is
> generally
> considered an Illinois poet. In her earlier years, prior to 1967,? she
> focused on depicting the characters of her race, to bring them to life
on
> the page.? The local people of her neighborhood were the subject of
her
> poems. She passed away on December 3, 2000.
>
>
>
> I had the privilege of attending a writing workshop for poetry one
> afternoon
> at Slippery Rock University of PA. Gwendolyn was the poet in residence
> that
> day and budding poets could read a poem for her and she would respond
to
> it.
> She was so gentle and kind, and encouraging to the young students who
read
> for her.? When one of them said, with hesitation, that she had self
> published a chap book of her work.? Brooks looked at her and said,
"You do
> not need to feel apologetic about publishing your own book. It is a
book
> after all. You wrote a book. You have a published book. That is
something
> to
> be proud of."
>
>
>
> In 1967 Gwendolyn Brooks'? work changed after she took a workshop at
> Fisk University and met other black poets, such as Amiri Baraka. She
> had a "New Awakening" through this experience. I have always been
> aware that an encounter with one person can change your life forever,
> and this was certainly true for Brooks.
>
>
>
> Brooks' first book was published in 1945. She won a Pulitzer Prize;
> and
> was
> Poet Laureate of Illinois. She succeeded Carl Sandburg in that
position.
>
>
>
> I am posting a link so you can hear her read her poem, "A Song in the
> Front
> Yard."? It is from 1963, one of the earlier poems where she describes
what
> she sees and thinks about the people in her neighborhood.
>
>
>
> As you listen or read this poem you can think about the carefully
> chosen words. This poem is full of symbols - you might try to identify
> some of them and then think about what she is conveying to the reader
> through the symbolism. Her symbols begin before you even start reading
> the poem..look at
> the title of it. Begin there.
>
>
>
> Listen? to Brooks read her poem "A Song in the Front Yard" here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWA6V3OaoR8
>
>
>
> You can read the text copy of this poem by opening up the attachment.
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
>
>
> Lynda Lambert, BFA, MA, MFA
> 104 River Road
> Ellwood City, PA 16117
>
> 724 758 4979
>
> My Blog:? http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
> My Website:? http://lyndalambert.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:07:26 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
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Mary Jo,
I cut the U tube link and pasted it into my search box, and it seems my
computer would not open this. It said I did not have installed what I
needed. I usually get everything else. Do you have to join to get U-tube
stuff?
At any rate, thanks for your comments on the attachments and other
information. It is wonderful to have such a wonderfully responsive
group. Jackie
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Lord
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
Hi Jackie,
I like your take on the form.
I copied We Real Cool from the internet.? Hopefully the line breaks
stayed. Also, here is a youtube link where she reads the poem and gives
an explanation of what made her write it.
We Real Cool
The Pool Players.
Seven at the Golden Shovel.
We real cool. We
Left school. We
Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We
Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We
Jazz June. We
Die soon.
Gwendolyn Brooks
http://192.168.1.1/
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Jacqueline Williams
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:17 PM
To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
Well, I forgot the attachments. Here goes again. I have put in the two
poems, plus an article about Gwendolyn Brooks.
Jackie
Jackie
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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
Lambert
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:22 AM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
February is Black History Month. . .
I was initially scheduled to do a lesson on the poetry of African
Americans in December. I have been struggling with health issues, and
been recovering from surgery since the beginning of January. Therefore,
I thought I would bring you some poems of African American poets during
February. I will post some poems by different black poets from time to
time during this month. I think you will really enjoy meeting some poets
you may not be familiar with, and maybe revisit some you already know.
This morning I would like to introduce you to Gwendolyn Brooks. She was
born in Topeka, Kansas? (1917) but grew up in Chicago, Illinois. She is
generally considered an Illinois poet. In her earlier years, prior to
1967,? she focused on depicting the characters of her race, to bring
them to life on the page.? The local people of her neighborhood were the
subject of her poems. She passed away on December 3, 2000.
I had the privilege of attending a writing workshop for poetry one
afternoon at Slippery Rock University of PA. Gwendolyn was the poet in
residence that day and budding poets could read a poem for her and she
would respond to it. She was so gentle and kind, and encouraging to the
young students who read for her.? When one of them said, with
hesitation, that she had self published a chap book of her work.? Brooks
looked at her and said, "You do not need to feel apologetic about
publishing your own book. It is a book after all. You wrote a book. You
have a published book. That is something to be proud of."
In 1967 Gwendolyn Brooks'? work changed after she took a workshop at
Fisk University and met other black poets, such as Amiri Baraka. She had
a "New Awakening" through this experience. I have always been aware that
an encounter with one person can change your life forever, and this was
certainly true for Brooks.
Brooks' first book was published in 1945. She won a Pulitzer Prize; and
was Poet Laureate of Illinois. She succeeded Carl Sandburg in that
position.?
I am posting a link so you can hear her read her poem, "A Song in the
Front Yard."? It is from 1963, one of the earlier poems where she
describes what she sees and thinks about the people in her neighborhood.
As you listen or read this poem you can think about the carefully chosen
words. This poem is full of symbols - you might try to identify some of
them and then think about what she is conveying to the reader through
the symbolism. Her symbols begin before you even start reading the
poem..look at the title of it. Begin there.
Listen? to Brooks read her poem "A Song in the Front Yard" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWA6V3OaoR8
You can read the text copy of this poem by opening up the attachment.
Enjoy!
Lynda Lambert, BFA, MA, MFA
104 River Road
Ellwood City, PA 16117
724 758 4979
My Blog:? http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
My Website:? http://lyndalambert.com
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:33:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] Braille
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Bridgit,
I did not know that this neuropathy hit any but the older among us. I
did label all the folders in my file in Braille, but can no longer read
it. I am not only a promoter of Braille for the Blind, I truly feel it
ought to be on the general curriculum. My reasons may appear strange,
but never have I internalized the structure of words as I did when
learning the advanced words. In retrospect, I felt it would have helped
my learning disabled students. When you feel the letters and also
visualize them, it works wonders for memory. I an thing of all of the
prefixes, suffixes, short cuts, etc. There is so much of value.
My grandson, then 5 when I was practicing it, picked it up so fast, and
was so enthusiastic, that I wished it had been something regularly
studied in his "seeing" classroom. They do not publish anything in jumbo
Braille, and I do not know that it is even available on your Braille
readers. Thanks for your response. Jackie
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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit
Pollpeter
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:54 AM
To: stylist at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] Braille
Jackie,
I too have neuropathy and therefore it takes a very long time to read
Braille. This has been very difficult when reading to Declan and Penny.
I will make stories up when it's too tedious to read Braille books to
them, but with Penny, it's getting to that point when this doesn't work
so well anymore, sigh. I'm a huge supporter of Braille education though,
and despite the exceptions like you and me, I encourage all blind
people-- totals and partials-- to learn the system. Despite my
"handicap" with Braille, I still use it for things like labeling and
it's a life-saver, grin.
Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
"If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world can
satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created for
another world." C. S. Lewis
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:19:28 -0700
From: "Jacqueline Williams" <jackieleepoet at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] CNF/blindness prompt (Aine)
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Ain,
So nice to get your reply. I will make this brief from necessity. I
don't recommend bungee jumping since finding? that the retina can detach
it there is too much of a snap at the bottom of the jump. In fact, the
gentleman who did it said that he would never repeat it. My visual
condition is a mix of dry and wet macular degeneration, and surgery and
poor results from cataract surgery. I have a little peripheral vision in
my left eye. In the right, little flecks of vision that when I scan, I
can pick up information. I could use a CCTV after that surgery, until
they replaced a cataract in an effort to maximize my vision. Thereafter,
the left and right had totally different planes making me unable to
decipher letters. They gave me a pair of glasses which failed to do
anything. I took Braille for about three years, but because of
peripheral neuropathy, it was jumbo Braille, and then still taking 12
minutes for a page that had to written by my instructor, and increasing
numbness, I gave it up. I am still a great supporter of Braille
education.
I am so glad you have at least a little light perception. I count my
blessings every day that I do have that.? Have you ever seen colors?
My son who is fifty-three now still swims at least every other day, and
has taught swimming to many children including his son. He recently had
a melanoma removed, and has to be vigilant now. I know Australia has a
sun like Arizona! I do use JAWS and will soon learn to use an upgraded
system for everything. So I am winding down on e-mails for a time, but
probably will not be able to resist reading? selected ones. I hope the
learning curve does not take too long. My greatest good wishes for both
your music aspirations, and a full life. Jackie
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 19:20:14 -0600
From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net> (by way of David ???
Andrews??? <dandrews at visi.com>)
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [stylist] A Couple Free Braille Books
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I have a copy of Bartlett's Familiar Quotations in Braille that I
will happily give to anyone who wants it.? It is in 105 soft-covered
Braille volumes, and I will ship it as Free Matter for the Blind.? I
am also giving away a Braille copy of the University of Chicago
English-Spanish Spanish-English Pocket Dictionary, in 27 soft-covered
volumes.? Both books are available on a first come, first served
basis.? Please contact me at dkent5817 at att.net or 773-203-1394.
Debbie Stein
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 21:15:37 -0600
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
??? <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] [nabs-l] A Couple Free Braille Books
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I recently circulated a message about free Braille books.? If you are
interested, please contact Debbie directly at: dkent5817 at att.net
Thanks!
Dave
At 07:20 PM 2/7/2013, you wrote:
>I have a copy of Bartlett's Familiar Quotations in Braille that I
>will happily give to anyone who wants it.? It is in 105 soft-covered
>Braille volumes, and I will ship it as Free Matter for the Blind.? I
>am also giving away a Braille copy of the University of Chicago
>English-Spanish Spanish-English Pocket Dictionary, in 27
>soft-covered volumes.? Both books are available on a first come,
>first served basis.? Please contact me at dkent5817 at att.net or
773-203-1394.
>
>Debbie Stein
dkent5817 at att.net
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 22:22:08 -0500
From: "Mary-Jo Lord" <mjfingerprints at comcast.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
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Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"
Hi Jackie,
I don't think you should have to join to play the link.? Did Linda's
link work for you?
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From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jacqueline Williams
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:07 PM
To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
Mary Jo,
I cut the U tube link and pasted it into my search box, and it seems my
computer would not open this. It said I did not have installed what I
needed. I usually get everything else. Do you have to join to get U-tube
stuff?
At any rate, thanks for your comments on the attachments and other
information. It is wonderful to have such a wonderfully responsive
group. Jackie
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary-Jo
Lord
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:43 PM
To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
Hi Jackie,
I like your take on the form.
I copied We Real Cool from the internet.? Hopefully the line breaks
stayed. Also, here is a youtube link where she reads the poem and gives
an explanation of what made her write it.
We Real Cool
The Pool Players.
Seven at the Golden Shovel.
We real cool. We
Left school. We
Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We
Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We
Jazz June. We
Die soon.
Gwendolyn Brooks
http://192.168.1.1/
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Jacqueline Williams
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:17 PM
To: 'Writer's Division Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
Well, I forgot the attachments. Here goes again. I have put in the two
poems, plus an article about Gwendolyn Brooks.
Jackie
Jackie
-----Original Message-----
From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lynda
Lambert
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:22 AM
To: Writer's Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [stylist] Black History Month - a Poem
February is Black History Month. . .
I was initially scheduled to do a lesson on the poetry of African
Americans in December. I have been struggling with health issues, and
been recovering from surgery since the beginning of January. Therefore,
I thought I would bring you some poems of African American poets during
February. I will post some poems by different black poets from time to
time during this month. I think you will really enjoy meeting some poets
you may not be familiar with, and maybe revisit some you already know.
This morning I would like to introduce you to Gwendolyn Brooks. She was
born in Topeka, Kansas? (1917) but grew up in Chicago, Illinois. She is
generally considered an Illinois poet. In her earlier years, prior to
1967,? she focused on depicting the characters of her race, to bring
them to life on the page.? The local people of her neighborhood were the
subject of her poems. She passed away on December 3, 2000.
I had the privilege of attending a writing workshop for poetry one
afternoon at Slippery Rock University of PA. Gwendolyn was the poet in
residence that day and budding poets could read a poem for her and she
would respond to it. She was so gentle and kind, and encouraging to the
young students who read for her.? When one of them said, with
hesitation, that she had self published a chap book of her work.? Brooks
looked at her and said, "You do not need to feel apologetic about
publishing your own book. It is a book after all. You wrote a book. You
have a published book. That is something to be proud of."
In 1967 Gwendolyn Brooks'? work changed after she took a workshop at
Fisk University and met other black poets, such as Amiri Baraka. She had
a "New Awakening" through this experience. I have always been aware that
an encounter with one person can change your life forever, and this was
certainly true for Brooks.
Brooks' first book was published in 1945. She won a Pulitzer Prize; and
was Poet Laureate of Illinois. She succeeded Carl Sandburg in that
position.?
I am posting a link so you can hear her read her poem, "A Song in the
Front Yard."? It is from 1963, one of the earlier poems where she
describes what she sees and thinks about the people in her neighborhood.
As you listen or read this poem you can think about the carefully chosen
words. This poem is full of symbols - you might try to identify some of
them and then think about what she is conveying to the reader through
the symbolism. Her symbols begin before you even start reading the
poem..look at the title of it. Begin there.
Listen? to Brooks read her poem "A Song in the Front Yard" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWA6V3OaoR8
You can read the text copy of this poem by opening up the attachment.
Enjoy!
Lynda Lambert, BFA, MA, MFA
104 River Road
Ellwood City, PA 16117
724 758 4979
My Blog:? http://www.walkingbyinnervision.blogspot.com
My Website:? http://lyndalambert.com
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:03:09 -0600
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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We were discussing how the impact of what is read is influenced by the
reader, themselves (by what they personally bring to the reading-table).
And here is an interesting thought or outcome that is happening to too
many blind people! First as a baseline thought - the sighted
student/reader who uses print to read literature, educational stuff and
the like - they are reading the words themselves, visually scanning,
actively processing --- while during this process, the student is being
exposed to important "reading related/literacy" features/elements such
as: format, punctuation, spelling, and features like tables, graphs,
pictures, etc. Also, along the same line of literacy, of actively
reading for oneself --- The blind reader who has the skill of Braille
can get the same basic exposure to content, plus all the important
literacy features as - format, punctuation, spelling and the other
stuff. However, in today's world, at least in this country, Braille is
not being taught as a first-line method of reading for the non-print
reader! And yeah, you all have heard this gripe, this warning before.
There again my point today is a bit different: My thought, question is
--- hey --- picture this- if you could not read print, did not know
Braille and could only hear new information, be it a textbook, or poem
or piece of prose --- you were not getting exposed to formatting,
punctuation, or spelling of anything you heard;
And so I ask does this then essentially take the blind person back to
the preprint era, back to learning via the oral tradition? Yeah --- what
are these teachers thinking? (Another bazaar thought - what do you think
these teachers who are doing this to the blind would do --- if they were
to find that in school their very own sighted children would have print
taken away and their child was restricted to only listening to what was
being taught??)
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:31:18 -0500
From: "Chris Kuell" <ckuell at comcast.net>
To: "Stylist" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [stylist] new writing prompt
Message-ID: <76AC9597DE744F5D9691211B942FBB4D at ChrisPC>
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Greetings fellow scribes--
Here in Connecticut we've already got 3 inches of snow, and the
predictions are between 18 and 36 inches by the time the blizzard is
done. Since the house is clean and I'm up to date on my work, I figured
it would be a great time for a new writing prompt. The last two in
December and January didn't get much participation, so let's try one
that might be a little more fun this month.
The prompt is simple. Take a line from a song, any song, and use it as
the first line in a poem, essay or short story. There are no other
limitations, so I hope to see some creative responses. I'd also like to
encourage everyone to give constructive feedback to those who post their
work. I can't reiterate the importance of critiquing other's work
enough. It will help to improve your own writing.
For those interested in even more of a challenge,pick a number between 1
and 10. Turn on your ipod, set it to shuffle, and go forward that number
of songs. You must use a line from the song you? land on.
Looking forward to your responses.
chris
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:10:08 -0500
From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net>
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Subject: Re: [stylist] The ponder to take to another level
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Bridgit,
The other thing is that when a sighted kid has a learning deficit, they
look all over the place to see what the problem is. Is the child
suffering from a learning disability? Are there circumstances at home
that are holding the child back? Is the child dealing with a physical or
psychological condition that hasn't been diagnosed?
When a blind child falls behind, it's because the child is blind. They
don't look any further than that. If a sighted person can't find their
keys, they're not paying attention, or they just forgot, no big deal. If
I can't find my keys, it's because I can't see them. We can't have one
deficit or problem that can't be explained away by the fact that we're
blind. It burns me up. It would be one thing if it were just me; after
all, that was 50 years ago. But, it persists today in a state that is
little altered despite laws, technology and the extraordinary
achievements of some blind individuals. Donna
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