[stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
Anita Ogletree
yrstrli at gmail.com
Sun Feb 10 02:17:45 UTC 2013
Lynda,
I would feel so embarrassed if the person I am assuming is
someone I knew turned out not to be that person. It would send
me into absolute seclusion. Maybe I'm just too sensitive, eh? I
admire those who have that spunk.
Anita
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:05:51 -0500
>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>You know how it is when you look back on a situation, you can
always thing
>of what you could have done. I do wish I had said something to
her - she was
>seated in the hairdresser's chair when I was leaving. I walked
by him and
>gave him a tip and he always gives me a hug. That would have
been the
>perfect time to just lean over a bit and say "hi" to her - Mrs.
Smugness
>Herself. lol
>Lynda
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>> Lynda,
>> It's weird that she would be like that in front of the other
people in the
>> shop. You'd think she'd want to be seen in a more positive
light. I think
>> we
>> get these expectations of people because we think they'd know
better or
>> they're in similar situations, and then we find out they may be
worse than
>> those who have no reason to know how to act. I don't know, I
just wish
>> you'd
>> said Hi to her. I think that would have thrown her for a loop!
What, you
>> thought I wanted you to do that out of kindness or politeness?
No, it can
>> be
>> a real wake up call and make people feel like crap. Talk about
smug!
>> *grin*
>> Donna
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Lynda
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:08 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>> Donna, I was asked to join the knitting group after I lost my
sight so she
>> knows quite well I cannot see who she is. My friend who is a
physical
>> therapist takes me to the knitting meetings. This was
disappointing to me.
>> I felt as though out in public she did not want to acknowledge
she even
>> knew
>> me. BTW, she has an adult autistic son! And, she works in a
government
>> office that trains low income people for jobs. I think that is
what really
>> stings - she is not a person who is unfamiliar with people who
have
>> disabilities. I think it was smug! Hey, I have not heard or
used that word
>> in my distant memory - smug! What a nasty word that is! It felt
like I
>> was
>> swearing as I wrote it. lol
>> Lynda
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>>> Lynda,
>>> They deserve that little tap. On the other hand, you knew that
woman; she
>>> could just as easily say that you ignored her. I'm sure that
wasn't what
>>> was
>>> actually going on, but just as an idea, why don't you consider
saying
>>> something next time? It could be as inocent as, "Hi, you're Peg
from
>>> knitting aren't you?" Some people are extremely uncomfortable
about
>>> talking
>>> to blind people. She might think you would probably start
crying all over
>>> the place about how you miss knitting so much and wish you could
still do
>>> it. She has prejudices that are not going to help either her or
her loved
>>> ones should any of them lose their sight.
>>> Donna
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Lynda
>>> Lambert
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 10:02 AM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>>> Yes, Bridgit, I had just responded to this topic before I read
your note
>>> here. I spoke of my husband's inability to spell - which he
would not
>>> appreciate me talking about, I am sure. We will be married 52
years in
>>> April,; I guess he would not be surprised that I said this about
him.
>>> Yes, I also have retained my visual way of doing things but have
had to
>>> adapt to make it work because I have to do most things
non-visually these
>>> days. I am on the Krafters-Korner NFB list and have received
many good
>>> tops
>>> there to help me re-learn how to do things I used to do. That
group has
>>> been
>>> wonderful in helping each other through challenges we have in
doing
>>> things
>>> non-visually.
>>> I have never been blind in my dreams - and I dream constantly.
I am never
>>> blind in my own consciousness unless I am faced with an
uncomfortable or
>>> frightening situation and then I find that I become very blind
at times.
>>> Mostly that happens when I am out and come upon someone who
knows me
>>> well,
>>> and they do not know that I can tell they are there - and they
choose to
>>> be
>>> silent and not even acknowlege I am there. This happened
yesterday at the
>>> beauty shop. I was aware that a woman came into the shop as she
passed
>>> by
>>> me. I had a feeling I might know her because my hairdresser
called her
>>> "Peg." That is an unusual name, and I have only known about two
Pegs or
>>> Peggy's in my life. So I was alert, wondering if this was one
that I
>>> know.
>>> Shortly, she was seated in the waiting area and I came in there
to get my
>>> purse to pay for my services. I was only 3 feet from her, and
she was
>>> facing
>>> me. I see shadows, but no details, so I could tell the person
was looking
>>> directly at me. Absolute quiet! Not a hint that she knew me.
As I had
>>> been
>>> listening to her for awhile, I recognized her voice as she spoke
with
>>> others. It was definitely a lady from my knitting group who has
known me
>>> for
>>> a couple of years. I have sat with her in small groups of
knitters at
>>> different homes. I have been in her home on several occasions.
Yet, when
>>> she
>>> ran into me at the hair dressers, she chose to be quiet and wait
it out -
>>> not in any way indicating we knew each other. My husband
arrived, and as
>>> we
>>> drove home I told him what has just happened to me. This is the
kind of
>>> thing I mean, when I say at times I feel very blind. This is
the kind of
>>> encounter only a blind person would have - because she has no
idea I can
>>> tell who she is, so she chose to ignore me.
>>> My daughters and grand daughters often tell me how people will
stare at
>>> me
>>> because they see me walking with a long white cane. It amazes
them how a
>>> perfect stranger will stand beside me in line at a restaurant
and
>>> actually
>>> turn around and be looking directly at me because they think I
cannot see
>>> them. But, I can tell they are doing it. It is times like this
when I
>>> "accidently" hit them with my cane as I walk by.
>>> Lynda
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:29 AM
>>> Subject: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>>>> Lynda,
>>>> I agree with you on this topic. Despite my blindness, I'm a
very visual
>>>> person. I lost my sight nine years ago, but I continue to be an
>>>> extremely visual person.
>>>> I have learned Braille though, and studies have shown that when
learning
>>>> Braille, even when not able to see at all, the brain is using
its visual
>>>> aspect.
>>>> Each Braille character represents a letter in the alphabet and
the exact
>>>> punctuation as print. Essentially it's a tactile form of print.
People
>>>> assume it's paramount to a foreign language, but Braille is the
exact
>>>> same language using the same rules for grammar, punctuation and
>>>> spelling, just in a tactile form. Various languages have their
version
>>>> of Braille since many languages have nuances.
>>>> I too have wondered how people who have never been able to see
visualize
>>>> things. I once asked a friend if he "saw" his dreams, and he
said he
>>>> dreams with his other senses, which is very interesting.
>>>> I also met a fellow Federationist who is totally blind and
always been,
>>>> and she was an art major at one of the big universities in
Texas. Of
>>>> course there are blind medical doctors and engineers along with
others
>>>> working in what would seem like very visual fields, and this
doesn't
>>>> cover all the interests and hobbies like crafts, cars and
athletics.
>>>> I think more and more blind people are facing challenges, and
instead of
>>>> thinking about limitations, they are figuring out how to hurdle
that
>>>> obstacle.
>>>> I do agree that I've met several blind people who misspell words
>>>> frequently, but I don't know if this is due to an inability to
spell, if
>>>> they were not taught correctly or if they just don't edit before
sending
>>>> material. I think a lot of people have this problem, blind and
sighted.
>>>> JAWS is great for this because you actually hear the word, that
is if
>>>> you take time to read through what you wrote, grin. But yes, I
think
>>>> people who only know Braille can find difficulties when
switching to
>>>> print on a keyboard. Many choose to use a Braille display
and/or Braille
>>>> keyboard. I' not saying all Braille users are like this, but I
have met
>>>> many who are.
>>>> Ultimately, these things are most likely unique to individuals
and not
>>>> necessarily a result of a disability. If you can't spell when
blind,
>>>> chances are good you couldn't spell if sighted, smile.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world
can
>>>> satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created
for
>>>> another world."
>>>> C. S. Lewis
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:02:00 -0500
>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
>>>> Message-ID: <D52994C7F7964817A957168910B552B3 at Lambert
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>> This is a really good question, Robert.
>>>> I have noticed that so many blind people spell things so wonky,
and
>>>> maybe
>>>> this is why. I always wonder is spelling is really taught and
learned
>>>> visually. I really have no experience with any of the
discussion on
>>>> Braille
>>>> because I do not use it - I do everything with electronics and
some
>>>> things
>>>> with a CCTV. I have only had sight loss for 5 years, so I
really have
>>>> no
>>>> idea how blind children learn things like spelling, grammar,
formatting,
>>>> and
>>>> punctuation. To me, they are all visual, and it is very hard
for me to
>>>> understand it any other way - well, I really don't understand it
any
>>>> other
>>>> way. When I am reading (listening to a voice on a machine) I am
still
>>>> listening visually. I see it in my mind, and if I cannot see it
that
>>>> way,
>>>> it's confusing to me. Auditory skills would rate very low for
me.
>>>> Everyone has strength in certain skills and ways of learning -
and I am
>>>> a
>>>> Visual learner above all else. That did not change - I still
have to be
>>>> able
>>>> to SEE it to remember it - I have to stop and SEE a picture in
my mind
>>>> before it sticks with me.
>>>> Writing and reading, for me, has always been a visual
experience. This
>>>> makes me wonder, can a person who has always been blind be a
Visual
>>>> learner?
>>>> And, then, I wonder, how does a blind person visualize things?
These
>>>> are
>>>> some things I am thinking about and working with a blind painter
friend
>>>> to
>>>> put together an exhibition on how people see and visualize.
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