[stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

Sun Feb 10 02:17:45 UTC 2013

Lynda,
I would feel so embarrassed if the person I am assuming is 
someone I knew turned out not to be that person.  It would send 
me into absolute seclusion.  Maybe I'm just too sensitive, eh? I 
admire those who have that spunk.
Anita

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net
>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:05:51 -0500
>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>You know how it is when you look back on a situation, you can 
always thing
>of what you could have done.  I do wish I had said something to 
her - she was
>seated in the hairdresser's chair when I was leaving.  I walked 
by him and
>gave him a tip and he always gives me a hug.  That would have 
been the
>perfect time to just lean over a bit and say "hi" to her - Mrs.  
Smugness
>Herself.  lol

>Lynda

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net
>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>> Lynda,
>> It's weird that she would be like that in front of the other 
people in the
>> shop.  You'd think she'd want to be seen in a more positive 
light.  I think
>> we
>> get these expectations of people because we think they'd know 
better or
>> they're in similar situations, and then we find out they may be 
worse than
>> those who have no reason to know how to act.  I don't know, I 
just wish
>> you'd
>> said Hi to her.  I think that would have thrown her for a loop! 
What, you
>> thought I wanted you to do that out of kindness or politeness? 
No, it can
>> be
>> a real wake up call and make people feel like crap.  Talk about 
smug!
>> *grin*
>> Donna

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Lynda
>> Lambert
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:08 PM
>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>> Donna, I was asked to join the knitting group after I lost my 
sight so she
>> knows quite well I cannot see who she is.  My friend who is a 
physical
>> therapist takes me to the knitting meetings.  This was 
disappointing to me.
>> I felt as though out in public she did not want to acknowledge 
she even
>> knew
>> me.  BTW, she has an adult autistic son! And, she works in a 
government
>> office that trains low income people for jobs.  I think that is 
what really
>> stings - she is not a person who is unfamiliar with people who 
have
>> disabilities.  I think it was smug! Hey, I have not heard or 
used that word
>> in my distant memory - smug!  What a nasty word that is! It felt 
like I
>> was
>> swearing as I wrote it.  lol

>> Lynda

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net
>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>>> Lynda,
>>> They deserve that little tap.  On the other hand, you knew that 
woman; she
>>> could just as easily say that you ignored her.  I'm sure that 
wasn't what
>>> was
>>> actually going on, but just as an idea, why don't you consider 
saying
>>> something next time? It could be as inocent as, "Hi, you're Peg 
from
>>> knitting aren't you?" Some people are extremely uncomfortable 
about
>>> talking
>>> to blind people.  She might think you would probably start 
crying all over
>>> the place about how you miss knitting so much and wish you could 
still do
>>> it.  She has prejudices that are not going to help either her or 
her loved
>>> ones should any of them lose their sight.
>>> Donna
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Lynda
>>> Lambert
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 10:02 AM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>>> Yes, Bridgit, I had just responded to this topic before I read 
your note
>>> here.  I spoke of my husband's inability to spell - which he 
would not
>>> appreciate me talking about, I am sure.  We will be  married 52 
years in
>>> April,; I guess he would not be surprised that I said this about 
him.

>>> Yes, I also have retained my visual way of doing things but have 
had to
>>> adapt to make it work because I have to do most things 
non-visually these
>>> days.  I am on the Krafters-Korner NFB list and have received 
many good
>>> tops
>>> there to help me re-learn how to do things I used to do.  That 
group has
>>> been
>>> wonderful in helping each other through challenges we have in 
doing
>>> things
>>> non-visually.

>>> I have never been blind in my dreams - and I dream constantly.  
I am never
>>> blind in my own consciousness unless I am faced with an 
uncomfortable or
>>> frightening situation and then I find that I become very blind 
at times.
>>> Mostly that happens when I am out and come upon someone who 
knows me
>>> well,
>>> and they do not know that I can tell they are there - and they 
choose to
>>> be
>>> silent and not even acknowlege I am there.  This happened 
yesterday at the
>>> beauty shop.  I was aware that a woman came into the shop as she 
passed
>>> by
>>> me.  I had a feeling I might know her because my hairdresser 
called her
>>> "Peg." That is an unusual name, and I have only known about two 
Pegs or
>>> Peggy's in my life.  So I was alert, wondering if this was one 
that I
>>> know.
>>> Shortly, she was seated in the waiting area and I came in there 
to get my
>>> purse to pay for my services.  I was only 3 feet from her, and 
she was
>>> facing
>>> me.  I see shadows, but no details, so I could tell the person 
was looking
>>> directly at me.  Absolute quiet! Not a hint that she knew me.  
As I had
>>> been
>>> listening to her for awhile, I recognized her voice as she spoke 
with
>>> others.  It was definitely a lady from my knitting group who has 
known me
>>> for
>>> a couple of years.  I have sat with her in small groups of 
knitters at
>>> different homes.  I have been in her home on several occasions.  
Yet, when
>>> she
>>> ran into me at the hair dressers, she chose to be quiet and wait 
it out -
>>> not in any way indicating we knew each other.  My husband 
arrived, and as
>>> we
>>> drove home I told him what has just happened to me.  This is the 
kind of
>>> thing I mean, when I say at times I feel very blind.  This is 
the kind of
>>> encounter only a blind person would have - because she has no 
idea I can
>>> tell who she is, so she chose to ignore me.

>>> My daughters and grand daughters often tell me how people will 
stare at
>>> me
>>> because they see me walking with a long white cane.  It amazes 
them how a
>>> perfect stranger will stand beside me in line at a restaurant 
and
>>> actually
>>> turn around and be looking directly at me because they think I 
cannot see
>>> them.  But, I can tell they are doing it.  It is times like this 
when I
>>> "accidently" hit them with my cane as I walk by.

>>> Lynda

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:29 AM
>>> Subject: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level

>>>> Lynda,

>>>> I agree with you on this topic.  Despite my blindness, I'm a 
very visual
>>>> person.  I lost my sight nine years ago, but I continue to be an
>>>> extremely visual person.

>>>> I have learned Braille though, and studies have shown that when 
learning
>>>> Braille, even when not able to see at all, the brain is using 
its visual
>>>> aspect.

>>>> Each Braille character represents a letter in the alphabet and 
the exact
>>>> punctuation as print.  Essentially it's a tactile form of print.  
People
>>>> assume it's paramount to a foreign language, but Braille is the 
exact
>>>> same language using the same rules for grammar, punctuation and
>>>> spelling, just in a tactile form.  Various languages have their 
version
>>>> of Braille since many languages have nuances.

>>>> I too have wondered how people who have never been able to see 
visualize
>>>> things.  I once asked a friend if he "saw" his dreams, and he 
said he
>>>> dreams with his other senses, which is very interesting.

>>>> I also met a fellow Federationist who is totally blind and 
always been,
>>>> and she was an art major at one of the big universities in 
Texas.  Of
>>>> course there are blind medical doctors and engineers along with 
others
>>>> working in what would seem like very visual fields, and this 
doesn't
>>>> cover all the interests and hobbies like crafts, cars and 
athletics.

>>>> I think more and more blind people are facing challenges, and 
instead of
>>>> thinking about limitations, they are figuring out how to hurdle 
that
>>>> obstacle.

>>>> I do agree that I've met several blind people who misspell words
>>>> frequently, but I don't know if this is due to an inability to 
spell, if
>>>> they were not taught correctly or if they just don't edit before 
sending
>>>> material.  I think a lot of people have this problem, blind and 
sighted.
>>>> JAWS is great for this because you actually hear the word, that 
is if
>>>> you take time to read through what you wrote, grin.  But yes, I 
think
>>>> people who only know Braille can find difficulties when 
switching to
>>>> print on a keyboard.  Many choose to use a Braille display 
and/or Braille
>>>> keyboard.  I' not saying all Braille users are like this, but I 
have met
>>>> many who are.

>>>> Ultimately, these things are most likely unique to individuals 
and not
>>>> necessarily a result of a disability.  If you can't spell when 
blind,
>>>> chances are good you couldn't spell if sighted, smile.

>>>> Sincerely,

>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

>>>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world 
can
>>>> satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created 
for
>>>> another world."
>>>> C.  S.  Lewis

>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:02:00 -0500
>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net
>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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>>>> This is a really good question, Robert.
>>>> I have noticed that so many blind people spell things so wonky, 
and
>>>> maybe
>>>> this is why.  I always wonder is spelling is  really taught and 
learned
>>>> visually.  I really have no experience with any of the 
discussion on
>>>> Braille
>>>> because I do not use it - I do everything with electronics and 
some
>>>> things
>>>> with a CCTV.   I have only had sight loss for 5 years, so I 
really have
>>>> no
>>>> idea how blind children learn things like spelling, grammar, 
formatting,
>>>> and
>>>> punctuation.  To me, they are all visual, and it is very hard 
for me to
>>>> understand it any other way - well, I really don't understand it 
any
>>>> other
>>>> way.  When I am reading (listening to a voice on a machine) I am 
still
>>>> listening visually.  I see it in my mind, and if I cannot see it 
that
>>>> way,
>>>> it's confusing to me.  Auditory skills  would rate very low  for 
me.
>>>> Everyone has strength in certain skills and ways of learning - 
and I am
>>>> a
>>>> Visual learner above all else.  That did not change - I still 
have to be
>>>> able
>>>> to SEE it to remember it - I have to stop and SEE a picture in 
my mind
>>>> before it sticks with me.
>>>> Writing and reading, for me, has always been a visual 
experience.  This
>>>> makes me wonder, can a person who has always been blind be a 
Visual
>>>> learner?
>>>> And, then, I wonder, how does a blind person visualize things?  
These
>>>> are
>>>> some things I am thinking about and working with a blind painter 
friend
>>>> to
>>>> put together an exhibition on how people  see and visualize.

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