[stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
Lynda Lambert
llambert at zoominternet.net
Sun Feb 10 13:10:48 UTC 2013
Yes, Anita, that is the other concern that I always have.
I actually did that at the gym one morning. I thought the man who was
working out near me was my neighbor, and I asked him if he had seen my cat
since I could not find him. He sounded very perplexed, and it turns out he
was someone I did not know - we did have a good laugh over that. I know that
anyone who would see me working out would never suspect I cannot see them
well enough to know who they are - but in general most people will greet me
and if necessary they say who they are so I know who I am talking to.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Ogletree" <yrstrli at gmail.com>
To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
> Lynda,
> I would feel so embarrassed if the person I am assuming is someone I knew
> turned out not to be that person. It would send me into absolute
> seclusion. Maybe I'm just too sensitive, eh? I admire those who have that
> spunk.
> Anita
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net
>>To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:05:51 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>
>>You know how it is when you look back on a situation, you can
> always thing
>>of what you could have done. I do wish I had said something to
> her - she was
>>seated in the hairdresser's chair when I was leaving. I walked
> by him and
>>gave him a tip and he always gives me a hug. That would have
> been the
>>perfect time to just lean over a bit and say "hi" to her - Mrs.
> Smugness
>>Herself. lol
>
>>Lynda
>
>
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net
>>To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>
>
>>> Lynda,
>>> It's weird that she would be like that in front of the other
> people in the
>>> shop. You'd think she'd want to be seen in a more positive
> light. I think
>>> we
>>> get these expectations of people because we think they'd know
> better or
>>> they're in similar situations, and then we find out they may be
> worse than
>>> those who have no reason to know how to act. I don't know, I
> just wish
>>> you'd
>>> said Hi to her. I think that would have thrown her for a loop!
> What, you
>>> thought I wanted you to do that out of kindness or politeness?
> No, it can
>>> be
>>> a real wake up call and make people feel like crap. Talk about
> smug!
>>> *grin*
>>> Donna
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Lynda
>>> Lambert
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:08 PM
>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>
>>> Donna, I was asked to join the knitting group after I lost my
> sight so she
>>> knows quite well I cannot see who she is. My friend who is a
> physical
>>> therapist takes me to the knitting meetings. This was
> disappointing to me.
>>> I felt as though out in public she did not want to acknowledge
> she even
>>> knew
>>> me. BTW, she has an adult autistic son! And, she works in a
> government
>>> office that trains low income people for jobs. I think that is
> what really
>>> stings - she is not a person who is unfamiliar with people who
> have
>>> disabilities. I think it was smug! Hey, I have not heard or
> used that word
>>> in my distant memory - smug! What a nasty word that is! It felt
> like I
>>> was
>>> swearing as I wrote it. lol
>
>
>
>>> Lynda
>
>
>
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Donna Hill" <penatwork at epix.net
>>> To: "'Writer's Division Mailing List'" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>
>
>>>> Lynda,
>>>> They deserve that little tap. On the other hand, you knew that
> woman; she
>>>> could just as easily say that you ignored her. I'm sure that
> wasn't what
>>>> was
>>>> actually going on, but just as an idea, why don't you consider
> saying
>>>> something next time? It could be as inocent as, "Hi, you're Peg
> from
>>>> knitting aren't you?" Some people are extremely uncomfortable
> about
>>>> talking
>>>> to blind people. She might think you would probably start
> crying all over
>>>> the place about how you miss knitting so much and wish you could
> still do
>>>> it. She has prejudices that are not going to help either her or
> her loved
>>>> ones should any of them lose their sight.
>>>> Donna
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: stylist [mailto:stylist-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Lynda
>>>> Lambert
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 10:02 AM
>>>> To: Writer's Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>
>>>> Yes, Bridgit, I had just responded to this topic before I read
> your note
>>>> here. I spoke of my husband's inability to spell - which he
> would not
>>>> appreciate me talking about, I am sure. We will be married 52
> years in
>>>> April,; I guess he would not be surprised that I said this about
> him.
>
>>>> Yes, I also have retained my visual way of doing things but have
> had to
>>>> adapt to make it work because I have to do most things
> non-visually these
>>>> days. I am on the Krafters-Korner NFB list and have received
> many good
>>>> tops
>>>> there to help me re-learn how to do things I used to do. That
> group has
>>>> been
>>>> wonderful in helping each other through challenges we have in
> doing
>>>> things
>>>> non-visually.
>
>>>> I have never been blind in my dreams - and I dream constantly.
> I am never
>>>> blind in my own consciousness unless I am faced with an
> uncomfortable or
>>>> frightening situation and then I find that I become very blind
> at times.
>>>> Mostly that happens when I am out and come upon someone who
> knows me
>>>> well,
>>>> and they do not know that I can tell they are there - and they
> choose to
>>>> be
>>>> silent and not even acknowlege I am there. This happened
> yesterday at the
>>>> beauty shop. I was aware that a woman came into the shop as she
> passed
>>>> by
>>>> me. I had a feeling I might know her because my hairdresser
> called her
>>>> "Peg." That is an unusual name, and I have only known about two
> Pegs or
>>>> Peggy's in my life. So I was alert, wondering if this was one
> that I
>>>> know.
>>>> Shortly, she was seated in the waiting area and I came in there
> to get my
>>>> purse to pay for my services. I was only 3 feet from her, and
> she was
>>>> facing
>>>> me. I see shadows, but no details, so I could tell the person
> was looking
>>>> directly at me. Absolute quiet! Not a hint that she knew me.
> As I had
>>>> been
>>>> listening to her for awhile, I recognized her voice as she spoke
> with
>>>> others. It was definitely a lady from my knitting group who has
> known me
>>>> for
>>>> a couple of years. I have sat with her in small groups of
> knitters at
>>>> different homes. I have been in her home on several occasions.
> Yet, when
>>>> she
>>>> ran into me at the hair dressers, she chose to be quiet and wait
> it out -
>>>> not in any way indicating we knew each other. My husband
> arrived, and as
>>>> we
>>>> drove home I told him what has just happened to me. This is the
> kind of
>>>> thing I mean, when I say at times I feel very blind. This is
> the kind of
>>>> encounter only a blind person would have - because she has no
> idea I can
>>>> tell who she is, so she chose to ignore me.
>
>>>> My daughters and grand daughters often tell me how people will
> stare at
>>>> me
>>>> because they see me walking with a long white cane. It amazes
> them how a
>>>> perfect stranger will stand beside me in line at a restaurant
> and
>>>> actually
>>>> turn around and be looking directly at me because they think I
> cannot see
>>>> them. But, I can tell they are doing it. It is times like this
> when I
>>>> "accidently" hit them with my cane as I walk by.
>
>
>>>> Lynda
>
>
>
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
>>>> To: <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:29 AM
>>>> Subject: [stylist] To ponder- taken to another level
>
>
>>>>> Lynda,
>
>>>>> I agree with you on this topic. Despite my blindness, I'm a
> very visual
>>>>> person. I lost my sight nine years ago, but I continue to be an
>>>>> extremely visual person.
>
>>>>> I have learned Braille though, and studies have shown that when
> learning
>>>>> Braille, even when not able to see at all, the brain is using
> its visual
>>>>> aspect.
>
>>>>> Each Braille character represents a letter in the alphabet and
> the exact
>>>>> punctuation as print. Essentially it's a tactile form of print.
> People
>>>>> assume it's paramount to a foreign language, but Braille is the
> exact
>>>>> same language using the same rules for grammar, punctuation and
>>>>> spelling, just in a tactile form. Various languages have their
> version
>>>>> of Braille since many languages have nuances.
>
>>>>> I too have wondered how people who have never been able to see
> visualize
>>>>> things. I once asked a friend if he "saw" his dreams, and he
> said he
>>>>> dreams with his other senses, which is very interesting.
>
>>>>> I also met a fellow Federationist who is totally blind and
> always been,
>>>>> and she was an art major at one of the big universities in
> Texas. Of
>>>>> course there are blind medical doctors and engineers along with
> others
>>>>> working in what would seem like very visual fields, and this
> doesn't
>>>>> cover all the interests and hobbies like crafts, cars and
> athletics.
>
>>>>> I think more and more blind people are facing challenges, and
> instead of
>>>>> thinking about limitations, they are figuring out how to hurdle
> that
>>>>> obstacle.
>
>>>>> I do agree that I've met several blind people who misspell words
>>>>> frequently, but I don't know if this is due to an inability to
> spell, if
>>>>> they were not taught correctly or if they just don't edit before
> sending
>>>>> material. I think a lot of people have this problem, blind and
> sighted.
>>>>> JAWS is great for this because you actually hear the word, that
> is if
>>>>> you take time to read through what you wrote, grin. But yes, I
> think
>>>>> people who only know Braille can find difficulties when
> switching to
>>>>> print on a keyboard. Many choose to use a Braille display
> and/or Braille
>>>>> keyboard. I' not saying all Braille users are like this, but I
> have met
>>>>> many who are.
>
>>>>> Ultimately, these things are most likely unique to individuals
> and not
>>>>> necessarily a result of a disability. If you can't spell when
> blind,
>>>>> chances are good you couldn't spell if sighted, smile.
>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>
>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter, editor, Slate & Style
>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
>>>>> "If we discover a desire within us that nothing in this world
> can
>>>>> satisfy, we should begin to wonder if perhaps we were created
> for
>>>>> another world."
>>>>> C. S. Lewis
>
>
>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:02:00 -0500
>>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net
>>>>> To: "Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] Quote to ponder - taken to another level
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>>>>> reply-type=original
>
>>>>> This is a really good question, Robert.
>>>>> I have noticed that so many blind people spell things so wonky,
> and
>>>>> maybe
>>>>> this is why. I always wonder is spelling is really taught and
> learned
>>>>> visually. I really have no experience with any of the
> discussion on
>>>>> Braille
>>>>> because I do not use it - I do everything with electronics and
> some
>>>>> things
>>>>> with a CCTV. I have only had sight loss for 5 years, so I
> really have
>>>>> no
>>>>> idea how blind children learn things like spelling, grammar,
> formatting,
>>>>> and
>>>>> punctuation. To me, they are all visual, and it is very hard
> for me to
>>>>> understand it any other way - well, I really don't understand it
> any
>>>>> other
>>>>> way. When I am reading (listening to a voice on a machine) I am
> still
>>>>> listening visually. I see it in my mind, and if I cannot see it
> that
>>>>> way,
>>>>> it's confusing to me. Auditory skills would rate very low for
> me.
>>>>> Everyone has strength in certain skills and ways of learning -
> and I am
>>>>> a
>>>>> Visual learner above all else. That did not change - I still
> have to be
>>>>> able
>>>>> to SEE it to remember it - I have to stop and SEE a picture in
> my mind
>>>>> before it sticks with me.
>>>>> Writing and reading, for me, has always been a visual
> experience. This
>>>>> makes me wonder, can a person who has always been blind be a
> Visual
>>>>> learner?
>>>>> And, then, I wonder, how does a blind person visualize things?
> These
>>>>> are
>>>>> some things I am thinking about and working with a blind painter
> friend
>>>>> to
>>>>> put together an exhibition on how people see and visualize.
>
>
>
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