[Trainer-talk] Trainer-talk Digest, Vol 120, Issue 8

Fri Jul 31 17:58:35 UTC 2015

Suggest you start teaching Apple products accessibility functions are built in they are low cost because they are built them they don't require expensive secondhand software they are seamless and work well with the built-in voice over then speak voice can be added it's time we start teaching old one people Apple products instead of expensive window at office

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>   1. Screen Reader Users Teaching Magnification Software?
>      (Matthew Johnson)
>   2. Re: Screen Reader Users Teaching Magnification    Software?
>      (Laine Amoureux)
>   3. Re: Screen Reader Users Teaching Magnification    Software?
>      (Nimer Jaber)
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:46:18 -0400
> From: Matthew Johnson <matthew.johnson517 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Trainer-talk] Screen Reader Users Teaching Magnification
>    Software?
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> Hello:
> I'm looking for advice from blind screen-reading AT instructors who
> have taught low-vision users of magnification software. In general,
> how difficult is it for a totally blind trainer to teach programs like
> ZoomText or MAGic?
> 
> I've spoken with a couple magnification users who had trouble relating
> to trainers who usually teach and know JAWS, NVDA or who couldn?t see
> the screen. Some of them also feel like the broader assistive
> technology field mostly caters to users of screen readers. How can we
> bridge the gap?
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> Matthew
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:00:11 -0600
> From: Laine Amoureux <laine.amoureux at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Screen Reader Users Teaching Magnification
>    Software?
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> I have never hadtoo much trouble.
> We emphasize the use of keyboard keystrokes over using the mouse anyway, so we take it from a keyboard user standpoint, not necessarily a screen reader standpoint.
> In many ways, the student has learned faster, because they must provide some of the information I would other  Wise gather from my screen reader? This, while not ideal, forces the student into problem-solving mode.
> I also utilize Trainingware, and if I prepare well enough, many times I do not have any difficulty, and can anticipate what is going to happen, or what has happened? Reducing the amount of confusion and frustration? often times I also find screenshots, or descriptions, of how or what things should look like when using this curriculum, and can use those to convey visual information to my low vision student.
> Sometimes the attitude, and difficulty relating, that is often conveyed by higher partials utilizing the magnification software has more to do with where they are in their adjustment phase, and how comfortable they are around people who are blind. 
> We try to meet our students in the middle, and if someone is struggling that much, they will move to work with a cited, or high partial, instructor. 
> If the difficulty relating is in fact a component of the adjustment phase, we don't push it? Too hard at least :-) as the blind instructor, I cannot meet the person struggling with adjustment and their comfort level around people who are blind,halfway if they are not also willing to work on it? That has to come in their  own time. 
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> Laine Amoureux
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>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Matthew Johnson via Trainer-talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hello:
>> I'm looking for advice from blind screen-reading AT instructors who
>> have taught low-vision users of magnification software. In general,
>> how difficult is it for a totally blind trainer to teach programs like
>> ZoomText or MAGic?
>> 
>> I've spoken with a couple magnification users who had trouble relating
>> to trainers who usually teach and know JAWS, NVDA or who couldn?t see
>> the screen. Some of them also feel like the broader assistive
>> technology field mostly caters to users of screen readers. How can we
>> bridge the gap?
>> 
>> Matthew
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:30:31 -0500
> From: Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Trainer-talk] Screen Reader Users Teaching Magnification
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> Hello,
> 
> I teach both types of users and haven't ever ran into any issues... also 
> haven't had users describe what you are describing, either. I know the 
> layout of a screen and can talk about visual aspects and elements, and I 
> can give a general idea of where these things are located on the 
> screen.  I find it much easier actually to teach a visual user Zoomtext 
> than I do to teach a non-visual user.  I am non-visual myself.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>> On 7/30/2015 17:46, Matthew Johnson via Trainer-talk wrote:
>> Hello:
>> I'm looking for advice from blind screen-reading AT instructors who
>> have taught low-vision users of magnification software. In general,
>> how difficult is it for a totally blind trainer to teach programs like
>> ZoomText or MAGic?
>> 
>> I've spoken with a couple magnification users who had trouble relating
>> to trainers who usually teach and know JAWS, NVDA or who couldn?t see
>> the screen. Some of them also feel like the broader assistive
>> technology field mostly caters to users of screen readers. How can we
>> bridge the gap?
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
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