[Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak transition or's

Tue Sep 15 03:29:38 UTC 2015

Nancy, does she know how to write braille?  Why are you recommending a
note taker of any type?  Why not look at some of the iPad type devices
out there?

On 9/14/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> At this point, I am recommending a note taker without a braille display. She
> has minimal braille reading skills. I hesitate to buy notetakers for people
> to "" learn braille
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Marianne Denning via Trainer-Talk
>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> If you are speaking of a little 12 cell braille display I would not
>> recommend that for any serious braille reading.  I think it works very
>> well for short reading in conjunction with an iPhone or Android.  I
>> think an 18 cell braille display is the smallest you would want for
>> significant reading.  Can the individual use a smart phone
>> successfully?  What is she trying to accomplish?  If the agency is
>> trying to save money, then your goals and the goals of the student may
>> be in conflict.
>>
>>> On 9/13/15, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Thank you.  One of the challenges I find with a lot of people, including
>>> this client, is that Braille skills are poor and they think they need a
>>> display to increase their speed.  Our agency doesn't encourage purchase
>>> of a
>>> display for people to practice Braille.  We expect a literate level of
>>> reading and writing ability.  Has anyone tried the Braille Pen?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:07 PM
>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin speak
>>> transition or's
>>>
>>> I think Laine provides good suggesttions, however you may not be able to
>>> purchase the BRAILLE Plus from aph because they've halted development, so
>>> you'd have to find one used. I've also heard several stories from people
>>> saying their Braille Plus's were constantly having problems and being
>>> sent
>>> in for repairs.
>>>
>>> Jeff Young
>>>
>>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Laine Amoureux via Trainer-Talk
>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What about the BraillePlus from AFB?
>>>> While I agree with everyone, who has said that theBrailleSense product
>>>> line probably has the most going for it, when talking about dedicated
>>>> notetakers… And that the combination of a Bluetooth keyboard or braille
>>>> display, and iOS device… Is definitely the least expensive… I just can't
>>>> help but wonder… Where is she… What does she want to use it for? How
>>>> much
>>>> time and energy does she have, or want to put into, learning something
>>>> new? Most of the people I have had switching from theBNS have been
>>>> intimidated by newer technology, had no desire to spend the time
>>>> necessary
>>>> to learn to use newer technology, no desire to get on Facebook, use
>>>> dropbox, to access twitter etc. etc.
>>>> Do you have the resources to trial different devices with the client?
>>>> That
>>>> may also determine which device is the most usable for her...
>>>> I have had some people try the U2 & the Apex, and they seem to be at the
>>>> same level, as far as technology experience and desire… Yep one seems to
>>>> be able to just pick up and use the Apex, while the other seems to just
>>>> be
>>>> able to pick up and use theU2, just like I have seen some people who
>>>> seem
>>>> to be at the same technology level, as far as experience, pick different
>>>> mobile platforms…...
>>>> If were talking about the most inexpensive option, it would be an
>>>> android
>>>> device with Bluetooth keyboard… But :-) is that what we're looking for?
>>>> Many of these newer devices just have too many options for people who
>>>> would be switching from a device like this one… I really like the idea
>>>> of
>>>> something like the braille edge, that has the basic text editor, basic
>>>> calculator at Cetera etc.… Fewer options, easier navigation etc.
>>>> OK, finished with my rambling thoughts for the evening :-) etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Laine Amoureux M.S. ATHS
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> She uses braille poorly. She has never had a display.she uses it mostly
>>>>> for notetaking. With it being a Braelin speak, I am sure she doesn't do
>>>>> anything to exotic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Scott Davert via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Nancy.
>>>>>> A couple more questions which can help us get a better picture and
>>>>>> perhaps provide more helpful info. how well does she read braille? Is
>>>>>> she very tech savvy? Does she just want the device to do things like
>>>>>> read books and take notes? I will not even assume she is or is not
>>>>>> tech
>>>>>> savvy, as I consider myself an advanced user, but I used a Braille
>>>>>> Lite
>>>>>> for basic notaking until just a few years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Jeffrey Young via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we're talking speech only, then probably IOS and a blutooth
>>>>>>> keyboard. IOS keyboard support is suppose to be improving with the
>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>> update.
>>>>>>> As far as note takers, I believe they still have their place, and the
>>>>>>> Hims line is, in my opinion, by far superior to the Humanware line,
>>>>>>> especially when it comes to software capabilities. The DropBox client
>>>>>>> alone makes them much more viable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Young
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Jorge A. Paez via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>> <trainer-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would agree that Hims has the best lineup as far as notetakers.
>>>>>>>> As far as braille displays, the Focus line seems to me the best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/9/2015 10:12 PM, Fred Wurtzel via Trainer-Talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Nancy,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, I believe she would be best served by An Apple device with
>>>>>>>>> a Bluetooth keyboard.  With the Dream Writer or the Access Note
>>>>>>>>> apps there are many ways to work on documents.  The price is so
>>>>>>>>> much lower and the flexibility and versatility is so much more.
>>>>>>>>> I have used most kinds of accessible devices and, to me, there is
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> reason to get stuck with a notetaker.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems, though, if a notetaker is the only option the HIMS
>>>>>>>>> lineup looks the best.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, to me, the iOS options are the best coupled with a
>>>>>>>>> bluetooth keyboard or Braille device such as the Beatle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Trainer-Talk [mailto:trainer-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via Trainer-Talk
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:57 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: List for teachers and trainers of adaptive technology
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Trainer-Talk] What are you recommending for Braelin
>>>>>>>>> speak transition or's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a client who has been using a braille and speak and is
>>>>>>>>> needing to choose a different note taker. What would you
>>>>>>>>> recommend? I do not believe she reads braille tactilely. Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nancy Coffman
>>>>>>>>> Program specialist for technology services Nebraska commission
>>>>>>>>> for the blind and visually impaired
>>>>>>>>>
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