[nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Tue Jul 12 17:46:42 UTC 2011


Oh my gosh Mike, then they had to look at it as well.
When I go threw the air port, I share rite away I have diabetic items, 
do let me keep them.
They even get to see what kind of lunch I brought to eat smile.
They let me keep this as well.
This helps on the cost of food for me to bring my own lunch.

Original message:
> Brian:

> It's random. I've had my cane set off the alarms in some airports and 
> not others; it isn't even consistent from day to day at a given 
> airport. It just depends on how sensitive the screening devices are set 
> on a given occasion. Heck; I once had a container of glucose tablets 
> set off the alarm at the longworth House Office Building in DC! Go figure.

> Mike

> On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:41, "Brian Miller" <brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu> wrote:

>> Hi Benet,

>> Thanks for sharing your stories, perspective, and wise observations.

>> I'm really curious, though, as like you, I travel a fair bit -- more than
>> most, less than others, and I've always avoided taking my cane through the
>> detectors as I have had it set them off too many times... I have your
>> standard NFB long white cane with a metal tip, and sometimes with a metal
>> chain.

>> You say your cane never, or rarely sets off the machine -- I wonder what
>> others who use the same kind of cane experience?

>> Brian M


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Michael Bullis
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

>> Very well said Ben.  I'm glad to see somebody put this into some
>> perspective.  And, you were nice about it, not questioning the motives and
>> actions of others, not ranting, Etc.  Maybe I'll continue to read this list
>> after all.
>> Mike Bullis


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:49 AM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

>> What we need here is calm.  This is a frustrating issue, that isn't going to
>> foster consensus any time soon, unless we all organize an acceptable
>> response that works for the vast majority of us, and then we all act
>> accordingly.  However, as many different points of view, as there are, and
>> emotions that run through the security checks done by TSA folks, I think we
>> may be trying to herd cats here.

>> My experience with tSA in Florida was that just at the time I was going to
>> go through the metal detector *using my *cane*, one TSA guy said I need to
>> take your cane to x-ray it.  I explained that I understood, and that I would
>> stop on the other side of the machine after walking through with my cane
>> which most likely wouldn't set the machine off, and give it to him to do
>> with whatever he wanted.  He told me to go ahead, I went through without
>> incident, handed him my cane, waited a few seconds, and he gave it back
>> after putting it through the scanner.

>> In other airports, I have had, ..., shall we say, firmer discussions, but
>> none has resulted in more than a few minutes of checking, explaining, then
>> walking through the scanner with my cane in tact.

>> I may have been lucky so far.  but, I do travel more than some, and less
>> than others.  Usually, and I emphasize *usually, I get through security at a
>> comfort level I can tolerate.  Though, all that having been said, I still
>> hate airports, security, airline folks that assume I am not capable of
>> thinking, walking, talking, understanding, etc, just because I don't see.

>> One final story.  A colleague and I were flying back to Seattle after
>> convention.  Everything had gone quite well throughout the day.  In fact,
>> Mike Freeman, his wife, and we had a nice opportunity to kill time in
>> hotels, airports, etc, while waiting for time to fly.  But we got into a
>> short conversation about the frustrations at airports, etc somewhere along
>> the way.  I got to Seattle, and was headed for the baggage claim, and a
>> large gentleman asked me if I needed help getting to baggage claim.  I said
>> something like, just a little direction.  And, of course, he said "oh here,
>> I'll help", and proceeded to wrap a large arm around mine.  And, I guess in
>> frustration, or without thinking, I said, "Hey, don't do that, ..., it just
>> bugs the expletive* out of me."  It surprised me, because I don't even like
>> the expletive I uttered, (which begins with a letter other than S.)  He
>> didn't really run away, or apologize, just said something like he was just
>> trying to help.  I apologized for the language, but tried to explain it was
>> his physical action that got to me.  I also said I appreciated his intent to
>> give me direction though, but by then, he'd left.  I felt bad, because he
>> may not think to assist anyone in the future.  But, don't I have the right
>> to get angry at some point too?

>> Anyway, have a nice day, and hope your travels are rewarding.

>> /s/


>> Bennett
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:29 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

>> So what you're saying, Brian, is that you're willing to be intimidated into
>> giving up your rights, because the big boogeyman TSA agents can do too much
>> to you if you don't do exactly what they say, whether it's illegal or flies
>> in the face of every battle we have fought long and hard for as an
>> organization?

>> Just want to be sure I understand here.  Because the TSA said that of nearly
>> 3,000 blind people going through the airport, I'm the only one who insisted
>> that I had a right NOT to be led around like a child, denied the use of my
>> cane for travel.

>> Joseph


>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 09:07:58PM -0400, Brian Miller wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,

>>> I don't think anyone feels that Joe was treated well, or with the
>>> respect he deserves, but security checks are a serious hassle and a
>>> drag for everyone, and indignities abound.  I think solidarity across
>>> the board, and not just for blind people, is in order.

>>> I merely say that for me using my cane to walk a few feet through the
>>> metal detector is not worth fighting over -- the last thing I need is
>>> to end up on a "no fly" list.  The point is, you are exactly right that
>>> the blind have been fighting, and getting arrested, and going to jail,
>>> for years over our right to have our mobility devices, and we've won
>>> some, and lost many others.  I think we need to figure out where to
>>> focus our energies to maximize independence while recognizing that we
>>> face a very difficult environment in which to make our arguments when it
>> comes to security.

>>> Heck, we still don't, and maybe never will, have the right to sit in
>>> the emergency row -- now that makes me feel more like a child than does
>>> a quick guide through the magnetometer .

>>> Not long ago Dr. Fred Schoeder was denied the right to fly to a meeting
>>> because he was traveling alone... Granted, this was not in the United
>>> States, but that kind of right of freedom of movement, is something I'm
>>> willing to lie down on the tarmac for and go to jail.... Maybe not a
>>> jail in Thailand, though *smile*

>>> In any case, I don't think Alicia, or any of us, are trying to miminize
>>> the fight we all face.

>>> Brian M



>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:30 AM
>>> To: Alicia Richards; NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando

>>> Hello Alicia and everyone,

>>> The next time you pass through a TSA Check point we'll cut both of your
>>> feet off and demand that you walk through like anyone else. Blind
>>> people have fought long and hard to be allowed to keep their canes and
>>> dogs with them at all times while passing through TSA check points and on
>> planes themselves.
>>> Blind people were arrested and went to jail to insure these rights are
>>> protected and we don't need our own people telling us that it's not a
>>> big deal.

>>> Peter Donahue who along with Mary took their last flight ever on a
>>> commercial airliner and can look forward to avoiding TSA screeners in
>>> the future!

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alicia Richards" <alicianfb at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] TSA discrimination in Orlando


>>> I agree with Mike and others here.  Yes, the TSA has been given too
>>> much power.  It's shameful that they can perform such invasive
>>> patdowns, violating one's personal space and dignity.  but as Ryan
>>> said, that's not a blindness issue: they can do that to anyone.  And,
>>> I've never understood people's issue with giving up their cane for 30
>>> seconds, taking someone's hand to walk five steps through the security
>>> check, and then have their cane handed right back to them.  I question
>>> someone's mobility training if they are unable to walk five steps
>>> without their cane, and also can't help but wonder if they're
>>> exhibiting what I believe was once called, "rebellious independence,"
>>> by refusing to take the hand or arm of a TSA official for that very
>>> brief time.  But to each their own.  Joseph, I'll be curious if you get a
>> reply from Scott LaBarre about this?

>>> Alicia


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