[nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the BlindCondemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?
Wm. Ritchhart
william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net
Tue Oct 4 23:30:04 UTC 2011
NFB wouldn't need to go to court if Amazon and companies like would make
their products accessible. Indeed avoiding court is always cheaper than
litigating. When Tar-Get finally lost the law suit that required them to
make their web site accessible, they not only had the rather small expense
of complying with the ruling; they also had legal fees that had to be 10 or
20 times the cost of just doing the right thing to begin with.
Thanks, William
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Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the
BlindCondemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?
Yeah yeah yeah, and if the NFB decided to educate instead of talk too
much and go to court over everything and anything then maybe
organizations such as Amazon would be more willing and receptive to
making their products accessible. Just saying ...
On 04.10.2011, Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR) <Bennett.Prows at hhs.gov> wrote:
> I might jump in here to say, that sometimes when someone like this is
> educated a bit more, he might change his tune. for example, since we know
> that touch-screen technology is now usable by blind persons, (witness
> i-phones, etc), and since other reading devices and software for
downloading
> books is usable by the blind, (witness BLIO software, etc), there is no
> reason why Amazon can't make its device usable. And it does have
> proprietary rights on a lot of written material in electronic format that
> other companies and devices don't have. Also, we have been trying to get
> Amazon, one of the largest purveyors of e-books and devices in the world
to
> comply with laws pertaining to providing devices to blind students,
business
> professionals and other members of the public for a long time, yet that
> company has refused to work with us, etc. Perhaps the tirade would abate
> when he realizes that if we don't do something, we will be left behind in
> the age of rapid technology change, etc. Or, maybe his tirade wouldn't
> change. If not, might as well ignore the source.
>
> Thank God for Doctor Maurer and the NFB to keep fighting for our equal
> access to the technology out there.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:45 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the
> BlindCondemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?
>
> I suspect Dr. Maurer can defend himself if he thinks it's important.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 13:35, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> We wouldn't have had the issue, if the guy didn't insult Dr Maurer.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/4/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
>>> well hum, i think insulting folks just because they disagree with you
>>> doesn't show too much intelligence either, this fellow is entitled to
his
>>> opinion after all and whether you agree with im or not you are entitled
>>> to
>>> your opinion. jeanette
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Why did the National Federation of the
>>> BlindCondemns Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why waste our time with this? Nothing new from the simple minded sapps
>>>> who oppose us surely?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> Facebook:
>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>> Look at what this idiot just sent, to the entire NFB of Arkansas!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: terrysteve at suddenlink.net
>>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:59:48 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Why did the National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of
>>>>> Access to New Kindle Fire?
>>>>> To: tosheeler at cox.net, bkshfreeman at gmail.com, bfreeman0420 at gmail.com,
>>>>> vtscott at cox.net, leaann1967 at gmail.com, j.scholes at sbcglobal.net,
>>>>> bogan1265 at yahoo.com, geofynder at gmail.com, Gogetm00 at aol.com,
>>>>> hayleyksch at gmail.com, dave.mehler at gmail.com, walkercutoff at att.net,
>>>>> Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov, Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov,
>>>>> lyles_j at sbcglobal.net, honestblindman at gmail.com, pat.nfb at att.net,
>>>>> bkkindle at yahoo.com, Teddey3000 at aol.com, james.worley at cox.net,
>>>>> twedwards1111 at gmail.com, anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com, deweycoursey at cox.net,
>>>>> lizngraves at yahoo.com, erp at uark.edu, mika_hooper at yahoo.com,
>>>>> Matteri at cox.net, donbrey at gmail.com, trinitymlovell at gmail.com,
>>>>> clj_smith at yahoo.com, arspurplegirl at cox.net, delreal93 at yahoo.com,
>>>>> ctroby at uark.edu, e.yarberry at gmail.com, jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu,
>>>>> gvwright2 at juno.com, lhwayland at sbcglobal.net, joshcrunkleton at gmail.com,
>>>>> showard826 at gmail.com, jsexson at live.com, sflesher at yahoo.com,
>>>>> diane403bill at suddenlink.net, abhoxeng at yahoo.com, hoxeng at aol.com,
>>>>> barefootinar at yahoo.com, peter-hoffman at att.net, kaylaltodd at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a grip folks! There are many devices designed, manufactured and
>>>>> sold
>>>>> that are not "blind friendly". And rightly so! It was stated that "The
>>>>> feasibility of including accessibility in similar products has been
>>>>> demonstrated." As a result of this statement there must be devices of
>>>>> this
>>>>> nature that are "blind friendly". So the blind apparently do have this
>>>>> technology available to them. And just to put a point on it, the
Kindle
>>>>> Fire
>>>>> is a PERSONAL devise, not a community device. There are dozens of
>>>>> devices
>>>>> that use touch screens. None of these are "blind friendly". I doubt if
>>>>> the
>>>>> technology now exists to make them "blind friendly".
>>>>>
>>>>> This tirade by Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation
of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Blind, is typical of individuals that get so fanatical about an issue
>>>>> they
>>>>> have loose touch with the reality of the real world in their
>>>>> unrealistic
>>>>> search for and unworldly and unobtainable utopia. I have books on my
>>>>> shelf
>>>>> that the blind cannot read; must all my books be audio? I have clocks
>>>>> in
>>>>> my
>>>>> home that the blind cannot use to tell the time; must all my clocks be
>>>>> talking. I drive a car that the blind cannot drive. This is not me
>>>>> being
>>>>> unsympathetic to the blind or to the cause of the blind, it is me
being
>>>>> realistic in my reality. There is technology that the blind cannot use
>>>>> because they are blind. Sorry, FACT! There is technology that cannot
be
>>>>> made
>>>>> available to the blind due to our level of technology at this time.
>>>>> Touch
>>>>> screens in use by many devices again come to mind. Can't we focus on
>>>>> what
>>>>> can be done and what needs to be done. Not on minor issues as that
>>>>> below?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Maurer should rethink his position regarding Amazon, waste not his
>>>>> energy on such nonsense and concentrate on those things which actually
>>>>> help
>>>>> our cause. Senselessly attacking anything that is not "blind friendly"
>>>>> actually hurts the cause. Using some common sense in choosing the
>>>>> issues
>>>>> to
>>>>> tackle is important to our cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets tone down the rhetoric and concentrate on issues that help our
>>>>> blind
>>>>> friends and make the public aware of their real needs and not insist
on
>>>>> unnecessary requirements that turn the public against us and out cause
>>>>> and
>>>>> make us look like foolish fanatics. Stop hurting our cause with self
>>>>> serving
>>>>> rhetoric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Terry
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>>> To: <bkshfreeman at gmail.com>; <bfreeman0420 at gmail.com>;
>>>>> <vtscott at cox.net>;
>>>>> <leaann1967 at gmail.com>; <j.scholes at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>>> <bogan1265 at yahoo.com>;
>>>>> <geofynder at gmail.com>; <Gogetm00 at aol.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
>>>>> <dave.mehler at gmail.com>; <walkercutoff at att.net>;
>>>>> <Donna.Walker at arkansas.gov>; <Matt.Lyles at arkansas.gov>;
>>>>> <lyles_j at sbcglobal.net>; <honestblindman at gmail.com>;
<pat.nfb at att.net>;
>>>>> <bkkindle at yahoo.com>; <Teddey3000 at aol.com>; <james.worley at cox.net>;
>>>>> <twedwards1111 at gmail.com>; <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>;
>>>>> <deweycoursey at cox.net>;
>>>>> <lizngraves at yahoo.com>; <erp at uark.edu>; <mika_hooper at yahoo.com>;
>>>>> <Matteri at cox.net>; <donbrey at gmail.com>; <trinitymlovell at gmail.com>;
>>>>> <clj_smith at yahoo.com>; <hayleyksch at gmail.com>;
<arspurplegirl at cox.net>;
>>>>> <delreal93 at yahoo.com>; <ctroby at uark.edu>; <e.yarberry at gmail.com>;
>>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <gvwright2 at juno.com>;
>>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>; <lhwayland at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>>> <joshcrunkleton at gmail.com>; <showard826 at gmail.com>;
<jsexson at live.com>;
>>>>> <sflesher at yahoo.com>; <diane403bill at suddenlink.net>;
>>>>> <abhoxeng at yahoo.com>;
>>>>> <hoxeng at aol.com>; <barefootinar at yahoo.com>;
>>>>> <Terrysteve at suddenlink.net>;
>>>>> <peter-hoffman at att.net>; <kaylaltodd at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access
>>>>> to
>>>>> New Kindle Fire
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Freeh, Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org>
>>>>>> To: Alpidio Rolon <arguza at attglobal.net>, Amy Buresh
>>>>>> <amy.buresh74 at gmail.com>,
>>>>> Art Schreiber <blindart at samobile.net>, Beth Rival
<erival at comcast.net>,
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> Packee <alaskanfb at yahoo.com>, Bob Kresmer <krezguy at cox.net>, Carl
>>>>> Jacobsen
>>>>> <office at nfbny.org>, Cassandra McNabb <cemcnabb21 at yahoo.com>, Cathy
>>>>> Jackson
>>>>> <cathyj at iglou.com>, Charlene Smyth <cs.nfbwv at verizon.net>, "Christine
>>>>> G.
>>>>> Hall" <c.tessa4 at comcast.net>, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com>, Daniel
>>>>> Burke
>>>>> <burke.dall at gmail.com>, Don Galloway <dgalloway627 at gmail.com>, Donna
>>>>> Wood
>>>>> <donnajwood at cox.net>, Duane Iverson <diverson at samobile.net>, Elsie
>>>>> Dickerson
>>>>> <elsiedickerson at ymail.com>, Frank Lee <francois57 at comcast.net>,
>>>>> Franklin
>>>>> Shiner <fshiner at myfairpoint.net>, Fred Schroeder <fschroeder at sks.com>,
>>>>> Garrick Scott <gscott at nfbga.org>, Gary Ray <ghraynfbofnc at charter.net>,
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>, Grace Pires <silvara at cox.net>, "J.W.
>>>>> Smith"
>>>>> <jwsmithnfb at verizon.net>, James Antonacci <president at nfbp.org>,
Jeannie
>>>>> Massay <Jmassay1 at cox.net>, Jennifer Dunnam
>>>>> <jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com>,
>>>>> Joe Ruffalo <nfbnj at yahoo.com>, John Batron <jbatron at maine.rr.com>,
John
>>>>> Fritz
>>>>> <johnfritz at centurytel.net>, Joy Harris <joy.harris at dwx.com>, Joyce
>>>>> Scanlan
>>>>> <joyce.scanlan at earthlink.net>, Ken Rollman <gatorbumps at rushmore.com>,
>>>>> Kim
>>>>> Williams <rkvend at aol.com>, Kimberly Flores <kflores at nfb-texas.org>,
>>>>> Larry
>>>>> Posont <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>, Lynn Majewski
<majla at verizon.net>,
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> Willows <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>, Melissa Riccobono
>>>>> <melissa at riccobono.us>,
>>>>> Michael Barber <michael.NFBI at gmail.com>, Michael Freeman
>>>>> <k7uij at panix.com>,
>>>>> Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>, Nani Fife <nanifife at aol.com>, Pam
>>>>> Allen
>>>>> <pallen at lcb-ruston.com>, Parnell Diggs <parnell at sccoast.net>, Patti
>>>>> Chang
>>>>> <pattichang at att.net>, Rena Smith <realhappygirl1 at gmail.com>, Ron Brown
>>>>> <rb15 at iquest.net>, "Gardner, Ron" <RGardner at nfb.org>, Sam Gleese
>>>>> <SGleese at city.jackson.ms.us>, Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>,
>>>>> Terry
>>>>> Sheeler <tosheeler at cox.net>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:08 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to
>>>>>> New
>>>>> Kindle Fire
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CONTACT:
>>>>>> Chris Danielsen
>>>>>> Director of Public Relations
>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>>>>>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
>>>>>> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Condemns
>>>>>> Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Baltimore, Maryland (September 29, 2011): The National Federation of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Blind commented today on the release of Amazon's new Kindle Fire,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> cannot be used by people who are blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>>> said:
>>>>>> "Blind Americans have repeatedly asked Amazon to include
accessibility
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the blind in its Kindle product line. The feasibility of including
>>>>>> accessibility in similar products has been demonstrated. The
>>>>>> Department
>>>>>> of Education and the Department of Justice have made it clear that
>>>>>> Kindle
>>>>>> devices cannot be purchased by educational institutions, libraries,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> other entities covered by this country's disability laws unless the
>>>>>> devices are fully accessible. Despite all this, Amazon has released
a
>>>>>> brand new Kindle device, the Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> who are blind. Enough! We condemn this latest action by Amazon and
>>>>>> reiterate that we will not tolerate technological discrimination.
The
>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind seeks nothing less than equal access
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> all technology for blind people. It is one of the most critical
civil
>>>>>> rights issues facing blind Americans in the twenty-first century, and
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> will do everything in our power to see that this right is secured."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ###
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind
is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> largest and most influential membership organization of blind people
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through
>>>>>> advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
>>>>>> independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the
>>>>>> blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In
January
>>>>>> 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
>>>>>> Institute, the first research and training center in the United
States
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the blind led by the blind.
>>>>>>
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