[nfbcs] SharePoint

Sat Aug 9 15:32:04 UTC 2014

Cathy,

There is some hope, therefore, that it can be used, although that doesn't mean it can be used easily.  I would first try using it with your JFW virtual cursor turned off.  I am a Window-Eyes user so I don't know 
JFW keystrokes real well, but I believe it is INSERT+Z that turns the virtual cursor on and off.  Don't just tab around, try the ARROW keys as well.  I would also try using NVDA with it just to see if it reveals more 
than JFW.  This could be a case where exploring and experimenting may take some time but you may be able to use it pretty well once you have become familiar with it.  Please note I'm not saying whether this 
should have to be done, that's another issue, I'm just outlining approaches that might get you to the point where it works.  It might be worth sitting down with a sighted user with your screen reader running and 
learning how they use the software.  You probably will need to turn off the virtual cursor then, too.  With the virtual cursor on, JFW is using the arrow keys similar to what it does with the JAWS cursor, and some 
of these newer web applications make use of the arrow keys.  For example, you can sometimes arrow down through lists sort of like you do with a combo box, but they are not seen as combos by screen readers.  

Of course, I have no way of knowing for certain that you will be able to use this, but it is worth trying.  I've had a few cases on my job now where I have had to follow the above steps and found that I could use a 
web app well enough to get by that I didn't think I could use at first.  While some of this could be a Microsoft issue, some of these newer apps are just not supported real well by screen readers yet.  This gap 
makes it difficult to know, sometimes, what is accessible and what truly is not.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 18:42:32 +0000, Schroeder, Cathy via nfbcs wrote:

>It is in .NET.  It is a microsoft web application.

>Cathy Schroeder

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>From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Louis Maher via nfbcs
>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 6:03 PM
>To: 'Steve Jacobson'; 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] SharePoint

>Cathy,

>It would be interesting to know if your timesheet application is written in
>Java.

>Regards
>Louis Maher
>Phone 713-444-7838
>E-mail ljmaher at swbell.net

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>via nfbcs
>Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:16 AM
>To: Schroeder, Cathy via nfbcs
>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] SharePoint

>Cathy,

>What are your time sheet screens like?  By that I mean are they web pages or
>is it a stand-alone application?  If they are web pages, have you
>experimented with the JFW Virtual Cursor turned off?  Some modern pages
>provide information that does not get picked up by the virtual cursor or the
>Window-Eyes Browse Mode very well.  In some cases, there are items on a page
>that are not identified as links that nevertheless do react when you press
>ENTER.  
>In some cases, NVDA does a better job than either JFW or Window-Eyes with
>some modern pages.  Also, if it is a SharePoint page, sometimes pressing
>ENTER will open up additional choices just after the link but our screen
>readers don't give us any indication that something has changed.  Many
>SharePoint pages have a link that says something like "More Accessible View"
>and this might change how things are displayed, but in my experience I never
>understood what the link changed.  

>It would be very useful to know if what you are using is within the
>SharePoint environment.  I think we are going to need to help one another
>with SharePoint as it seems to be really taking off.

>There is a package as some of you know called Discover 508 that makes
>SharePoint more accessible.  While it may be a solution in some cases, it is
>very expensive and it runs on the SharePoint server, not on a local machine.
>I also believe that we really do not know yet to what degree SharePoint is a
>problem for those of us who are experienced computer users.  Both Louis and
>I have been using it successfully, but I know that in my case I have not
>used all of its capabilities yet.  There have also been cases reported where
>the built-in SharePoint viewers are not accessible.  I have always been able
>to download files without checking them out and viewed them locally, but I
>have heard that the ability to actually download a file can be turned off.

>Let's keep sharing information on this.

>Best regards,

>Steve Jacobson

>On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:17:13 +0000, Schroeder, Cathy via nfbcs wrote:

>>A related question:

>>We use a time sheet application from Share Point that I cannot read at 
>>all.  Do you know if the issues I might be
>having are Share Point or not.  The screens used to enter my time are
>totally inaccessible.  Don't know if this is enough info to answer the
>question but just thought I would ask.

>>Cathy Schroeder
>>ATPCO - Applications Production Support 
>>Office: (703) 471-7510 Extension 1231
>>Email: cschroeder at atpco.net
>>www.atpco.net

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>via nfbcs
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 8:37 AM
>>To: Louis Maher; NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] SharePoint

>>Thanks Louis.  That's a weight off my mind.  I've saved your message for 
>>future reference.
>>Tracy

>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Louis Maher via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>To: "'Tracy Carcione'" <carcione at access.net>; "'NFB in Computer Science 
>>Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 6:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] SharePoint

>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>
>>> SharePoint is not that bad.  From the webpage, you can choose a view that
>>> makes the document library appear as a windows explorer list view 
>>> structure
>>> which allows you to access and cut and paste files easily.
>>>
>>> You can also map your SharePoint to a disk drive to make the entire 
>>> library
>>> be a windows explorer view as follows:
>>>
>>> Map a SharePoint Website to a Disk Drive
>>>
>>> To establish a link to a SharePoint site through Windows Explorer, go to 
>>> the
>>> SharePoint website, hit alt+d for the address field, hit control + c to 
>>> copy
>>> the address into your clipboard, hit Windows + e to go to Windows 
>>> Explorer,
>>> hit shift + tab to  bring you to the left side of the screen (in tree 
>>> view)
>>> and land on computer (which is my  PC in Windows 8), click the right
>mouse
>>> button, arrow down to Map Network drive, hit enter,  paste the SharePoint
>>> shortcut name into the folder field, hit shift + tab and select a  drive,
>>> tab to "reconnect at startup and check it, tab to finish.
>>>
>>> Now when you want to read or add documents to your SharePoint site, hit
>>> Windows + r for the run dialog, enter your SharePoint disk letter, and 
>>> your
>>> SharePoint documentation will appear in a Windows Explorer dialog.  You 
>>> can
>>> open, copy, and delete files just like any Windows Explorer dialog.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Louis Maher
>>> Phone 713-444-7838
>>> E-mail ljmaher at swbell.net
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> via nfbcs
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:28 AM
>>> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Sharepoint
>>>
>>> When my department starts implementing a new system later this year, we 
>>> will
>>> be using Sharepoint to coordinate documentation, they say.  I gather
>there
>>> are problems with Sharepoint accessibility?  How hard is it work around 
>>> the
>>> problems, using the latest version of Jaws?  Is it likely to be a little
>>> hard, a pain in the neck, or a complete access disaster?
>>> The older I get, the more I understand why so many blind people just
>throw
>>> up their hands and give up. We've had a stretch where access was pretty
>>> good, but now things are getting harder again.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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