[nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives

Tue May 13 04:19:47 UTC 2014

hi,

thought these lists were informational, not argumentative.
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives

> Just because he did not mention it does not mean they don't or that he 
> does
> not plan for them to; people don't always include every detail. He did not
> say that they would be taking the computers to the company either. The
> company does come to their customers. http://www.nerdz.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:47 PM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>
> hi,
>
> he didn't mention the company performing service at his home and said we
> will have them install...
> That hardware is not installed in a desktop computer and that won't be
> possible if he takes the tower to the repair company.
> Bryan Schulz
>
> Comptia A+
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>
>
>> Why do you think that Peter is unaware of what a NAS drive is? He said in
>> house, not off network.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:06 PM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>
>> Pete,
>>
>> It sounds like you are unaware of what a nas drive is.
>> A nas drive is network attached storage connected to your router and
>> configured by navigating a web site based interface instead of being
>> installed in your tower system.
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>> Comptia A+
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>
>>
>> Hello John and everyone,
>>
>>    We got unlucky and got lackey again. Computer Nerdz will love us.
>> They're a local computer instruction and repair company in San Antonio. 
>> We
>> just received word that my brother-in-law will be sending us funds to 
>> help
>> us with various issues including fixing Mary's computer for the second
>> time.
>> We also want to network our computers together so we only need to run 
>> them
>> from a single cable connection. We'll also have them install a NAS drive
>> so
>> we can store all of our datafiles in one location and make them available
>> to
>> all of our machines. Storing them in house will allow us to reduce the 
>> use
>> of an off-site backup service allowing us to tighten our belt and spend
>> money on more important things. Thanks again for the help.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> and
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John HG. eim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>
>>
>> Well, it's possible  that you just got unlucky. Most viruses are written
>> by
>> folks called "script kitties". Even that name gives them more credit than
>> they deserve because most of them couldn't script a for loop to count to
>> ten. They take code that is already out there and use tools to tweak it.
>> Why
>> would someone with the brains to do more than that mess with your
>> computer?
>> Maybe they want to get on your computer but they don't want you to know
>> it.
>> But more likely, they are spending their time trying to get into the
>> credit
>> card database of their favorite retailer. But maybe you just got unlucky.
>>
>> On May 12, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>
>>>   There are only two people that use that computer Mary and myself. 
>>> We've
>>> been using computers for many years and never had problems like this
>>> until
>>
>>> January of this year. All of our machines have anty virus software on
>>> them
>>
>>> that is active at all times. We have Avask on the Windows XP machines 
>>> and
>>> Microsoft Security Essentials on the Windows 7 machine the one with the
>>> virus. Perhaps Avask does a better job of catching trogens and we should
>>> have the repair folks install Avask on that machine as well. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:35 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>> You know that this kind of thing is usually, not always, caused by poor
>>>> internet hygene, right? How sure are you that everyone who uses that
>>>> machine knows how to avoid viruses? No anti-birus package is going to
>>>> keep you safe from viruses if the users are essentially choosing to
>>>> install them.
>>>>
>>>> Honestly, I don't even recall the last time I saw a Windows machine get
>>>> a
>>
>>>> virus where I wasn't able to pin it down to a deliberate action by the
>>>> end-user to install the virus. Of course, they didn't think they were
>>>> installing a virus. We had several people get a virus a while ago
>>>> because
>>
>>>> it came up saying it had detected a virus on their computer, and they
>>>> should click this button to remove it. Of course, if they clicked the
>>>> button it actually installed the virus.
>>>>
>>>> Someone else on this list suggested you review your habits (or more
>>>> likely those of the other users of the computer). My opinion is that
>>>> that
>>
>>>> is the best suggestion you've gotten. Are they installing plugins from
>>>> unreliable sources? Running programs off a borrowed thumb drive? There
>>>> is
>>
>>>> no anti-virus program in the world that can protect you from that kind
>>>> of
>>
>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>> I once put a link on a web page that said, "Click here to install a
>>>> virus
>>
>>>> on your computer." Just to make sure people were appropriately scared, 
>>>> I
>>>> put another link that said, "Click here and I'll show you the files on
>>>> your C: drive." That was just a file link to their C: drive. But it
>>>> should have scared anyone who didn't know how this stuff really works.
>>>> Even so, plenty of people clicked the virus link. Most virusdevelopers
>>>> aren't that obvious. It's possible you've just been unlucky and have
>>>> come
>>
>>>> across some particularly sophisticated virus developers. But most
>>>> likely,
>>
>>>> somebody who uses that computer isn't following good internet hygene
>>>> habits.
>>>>
>>>> On 05/12/14 07:34, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>> Hello Brian and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>    We just reloaded windows on that machine 4 months ago. We will most
>>>>> likely need to reload it again but are not willing to put up with that
>>>>> machine being attacked and needing a complete system reload every time
>>>>> we turn around. This wasn't a problem until January of this year. 
>>>>> We'll
>>>>> need both a system reload and whatever software or patch Microsoft 
>>>>> will
>>>>> have available to prevent "Computer" from being knocked out by trogens
>>>>> in the future. We have far more important things to spend our money on
>>>>> besides having to hire someone to reload computers attacked by viruses
>>>>> and having to restore the data each time this happens. All the best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz"
>>>>> <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 3:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have used a version of avg for years and never had an attack or
>>>>>> virus.
>>>>>> it would be cheaper to hire a neighbor to read the screens and 
>>>>>> install
>>>>>> windows yourself.
>>>>>> you should be able to recognize a tech that wants to gouge you.
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue"
>>>>>> <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 6:36 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Before I head out of town for the weekend I want to find out which
>>>>>>> file management  alternatives to Windows Explorer/My
>>>>>>> Computer/Computer that are accessible with screen reading systems.
>>>>>>> Back in January Mary's computer which runs Windows 7 was infected by
>>>>>>> a trogen that took out "Computer." The infection was so bad that the
>>>>>>> entire machine needed to be reloaded. I find it hard to believe that
>>>>>>> Microsoft would not be a ware of this trogen vulnerability and would
>>>>>>> have released a patch to correct the problem. The company that
>>>>>>> reloaded the computer installed Microsoft Security Essentials on it
>>>>>>> I'm not sure if this package will scan and remove trogens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   It has been four months since the last infection and it's
>>>>>>> happening again. It looks like we're in for another system reload to
>>>>>>> get rid of this one and will most likely be set back another 
>>>>>>> $500.00.
>>>>>>> We can't keep going through this every so often. There are two
>>>>>>> questions we have for you all. 1. Which antivirus package is the 
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> at protecting one's machine from trogen infections particularly 
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> that attack the OS. 2. In the event this should happen again we want
>>>>>>> to know if there are file management alternatives to My
>>>>>>> Computer/Windows Explorer that will run under Windows 7 we could
>>>>>>> install as a backup program should another infection occur?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Your suggestions for a permanent fix will be very much
>>>>>>> appreciated. I'll also be in touch with Microsoft next week so they
>>>>>>> can remote on to that machine to see for themselves what's going on
>>>>>>> in the hopes they can fix it without having to reload the entire
>>>>>>> thing again. As if we have tons of bucks to spend on computer 
>>>>>>> repairs
>>>>>>> every time we turn around. Sorry for this tone but this is really
>>>>>>> annoying when you have other issues to address such as a guide dog
>>>>>>> being over-due for routine veterinary care and help isn't
>>>>>>> fourth-coming not even from the guide dog school. Otherwise Mary's
>>>>>>> computer is usable. We've discovered some work-arounds to deal with
>>>>>>> file management issues until this situation can be remedied 
>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>> permanently. Interestingly enough we have not had this trouble with
>>>>>>> our Windows XP machines. Go figure Microsoft!All the best. I'm off 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Camp Tejas for the weekend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
>>>>>>> protection is active.
>>>>>>> http://www.avast.com
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nfbcs mailing list
>>>>>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nfbcs:
>>>>>>>
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nfbcs mailing list
>>>>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nfbcs:
>>>>>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
>>>>> protection is active.
>>>>> http://www.avast.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nfbcs mailing list
>>>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nfbcs:
>>>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jheim%40math.wisc.edu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> ---
>>>> John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim at math.wisc.edu
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nfbcs mailing list
>>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nfbcs:
>>>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
>>> protection is active.
>>> http://www.avast.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nfbcs mailing list
>>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nfbcs:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/jheim%40math.wisc.edu
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nfbcs mailing list
>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nfbcs:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
>> protection is active.
>> http://www.avast.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nfbcs mailing list
>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nfbcs:
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nfbcs mailing list
>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nfbcs:
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.co
>> m
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nfbcs mailing list
>> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nfbcs:
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nfbcs mailing list
> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nfbcs:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.co
> m
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nfbcs mailing list
> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nfbcs:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net 