[NFBCS] Weird JAWS Problem on Windows 10 with Text Editor

[Glen Gordon]

Hi, Nicole,

I just installed TeXnicCenter and am delighted to find that it uses Scintilla as it's editing component. This is the same component used by Notepad++ and for which we added custom JAWS support  late in the 2019 release cycle. I think with the June or July update. With that and on later versions, the OSM and display drivers aren't involved, JAWS goes directly to Scintilla to get the text.
Assuming that you're running at least the last update of JAWS 2019 or something newer on a machine that fails and one that works, if you go into the editor and press Alt+Delete twice in rapid succession,  do you hear something about FSDomEdit cursor in both cases?

Thanks

--Glen

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Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Weird JAWS Problem on Windows 10 with Text Editor

I wonder if the EdSharp problem is caused by it trying to change the line endings between LF and CRLF. There may be a setting for that; I haven't used that editor though.

Regarding the problems reading the TeX editor: When the JAWS cursor finds no text, this usually means that either the video driver is not installed or is having problems, the legacy accessibility driver is turned off and the
newer technology does not work with this application, or the off-screen model (OSM) is empty or incomplete for some other, usually transitory reason. The first two of those cases should be easy enough to diagnose, but the
last is not so simple and is probably what you're dealing with given that your results were inconsistent across multiple JAWS installs.

A few suggestions:

1. Make sure nothing is opening over the top of your editor, such as an always-on-top dialog, system tray alert, security popup, etc. The Insert+F10 JAWS Task List may be useful here.

2. Use Windows+M to minimize all apps to the desktop, then see if the JAWS cursor finds any text at all. If not, your OSM is probably not going to work on this machine. As I said though, the result of this sort of test may
not be consistent from one try to the next.

3. See if maximizing the editor window helps.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 12:28:53PM -0700, NFBCS mailing list wrote:
            I sometimes use a text editor called TeXnicCenter. It is made
for editing LaTeX, but I find it useful for other tasks. I have it installed
on multiple Windows 10 machines, all 64 bit, but JAWS only works with it on
one. On the other machines, JAWS will read the menus, etc., but it does not
recognize the main edit window as editable. If I select what I have written,
JAWS will read the selection, and the content is sometimes displayed on the
Braille display. This seems to be a problem in general with some part of the
display or something because I have noticed problems in other applications,
such as the JAWS cursor not reading anything. On the one laptop for which
JAWS does work, I had to uninstall and reinstall JAWS several times before
it worked properly. I tried that once on the other machines, but it did not
help, and I don't have time to keep trying something that is not helping.
Does anyone have any idea what is going on? If not, does anyone have
recommendations for other text editors? I tried EdSharp, but, when I run a
code diff with the revision software, it seems that EdSharp has modified the
entire file instead of just the lines that I changed. Also, I tried using
NVDA with TeXnicCenter, but NVDA does not work with the Focus 80.



Nicole and my misbehaving technology


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