[nagdu] rejected by teh lions club?

Mon May 3 19:19:23 UTC 2010

Do you plan to use clicker training?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by teh lions club?

> He's fabulous. When he got here, he had no idea even what a leash was.
> Over the weekend he has learned to sit, down, heel(this still needs
> work) and he's had no accidents. He's very calm and laid back, and
> totally ignores our cats. He's already bonded very closely with me.
> When I first put the leash on, he bit it, chased it, batted at it,
> jumped on it, and so many other things, so I rubbed bitter apple stuff
> on his end, and he stopped /lol/. Then he wouldn't walk, he'd just sit
> their so I  got my treat bag out, after carrying him for a day and
> pulling a muscle in my shoulder, and sat him on one side of the room,
> then I backed up 2 steps and called him to me and when he walked, I
> gave him the treat, we did that with bigger distances to the other
> side of the room, then we turned around and walked back across with no
> treats, he has walked every since. My weekend has been exhausting but
> I feel wonderful, I feel better physically than I have in a long long
> time. Our schedule so far is:
> 7 AM wake up, go out, feed, water, go out.
> 7 30 AM small obedience session
> 7:40 AM to 8:30 play time
> 8:30 go out
> 8:45 to 10 nap
> 10 go out and for a walk
> 10:45 go out
> 11:00 to 11:50 small nap
> 12:00 lunch time
> 12:30 go out
> 1:00 to 2:00 nap
> 2:00 go out, and then for another walk
> 3:00 go out when we get back
> 3:15 to 4 obedience and play time
> 4:00 to 6:00 nap time
> 6:00 eat water, go out
> 6 to 7 kinda down time with the family but still on leash practing our
> down stay with our toys ot keep us busy
> 7 go out
> 7 to 9 in crate play time
> 9 go out for last time and then I fall into bed
> I've been getting up to take him out around once per night, when he
> wimpers and this has wroked, he's a very healthy happy boy but he's
> not at all hyper.
> I am very very pleased.
> Jessica
>
> On 5/3/10, Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Jessica,
>>
>> Holey moley!  My first thoughts cannot be repeated.  My second 
>> thoughts...
>> Er...  Fill in the bleeps to your satisfaction.  Good grief.
>>
>> Oh, I have heard the same thing when requesting assistance -- even when 
>> that
>> was the answer to a simple question -- of experts and others who are 
>> there
>> to help.  Complete with the God Bless type bit after the long-winded,
>> bizarre and factually untrue insults.
>>
>> My conclusion based on my past 4 years dealing with people who are 
>> dedicated
>> to helping blind people live independent lives:  They are adamantly --
>> sometimes even violently -- opposed to signs of independence in blind
>> people!  Why this is, or what psychology is going on there to lead so 
>> many
>> of such people into the positions they're in, I have not begun to fathom.
>>
>> Well, sorry you got such a brutal slapping around instead of information 
>> and
>> referral to possible resources even if the Lion's Club chose not to be
>> involved.
>>
>> As far as possible resource assistance goes, my early investigations 
>> brought
>> pretty much the same result you just got.  Sorry I don't have better 
>> news.
>>
>> How's your kiddo?  I thought of you this weekend, but was scrambling 
>> around
>> and didn't get a chance to e-mail you.  I bet you were doing a lot of
>> scrambling around with your pup.  /grin/
>>
>> Hang in there!
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Jessica Pitzer
>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:53 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] rejected by teh lions club?
>>
>> Hi all,
>> following is an email I received in response to an email I sent to my
>> local lions club about asking for help with some of the costs of owner
>> training. I'm.. not quite sure how to feel right now except baffled as
>> we have some many owner trainers and I just embarked on this journey
>> myself.
>> Thoughts?
>> On 5/2/10, Rosemary Richert <rosemary at richertnet.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Bert,
>>>
>>> It is highly unusual, and questionably irresponsible, for someone to 
>>> train
>>> their own guide dog.  The state only recognizes service animals which 
>>> have
>>> been professionally trained.  Any other such dogs may be banned from
>> places
>>> which would otherwise allow access to service animals.  Necessary 
>>> training
>>> of the dog is very comprehensive and time consuming.  And, subsequently,
>>> training of the blind person with the dog is, also, very comprehensive 
>>> and
>>> time consuming.  For the person's training, alone, three weeks of 
>>> on-site
>>> training with the animal determined best suited to their needs is
>> required.
>>> The blind person needs to prove their orientation and mobility skills
>> before
>>> even being accepted into a training program.  Without proof of the
>> adequacy
>>> of those skills, they will not be accepted.
>>>
>>> I served on the Board of Directors of Leader Dogs for the Blind for four
>>> years, and am the person who convinced the facility to become trainers 
>>> for
>>> the blind/deaf community...to the best of my knowledge, it remains the
>> only
>>> facility with qualified instructors of deaf/blind individuals.  I tell 
>>> you
>>> this, so that you may understand that I have a credible background in
>> these
>>> matters, and know whereof I speak.  I would strongly caution your Lions
>>> club, or any other Lions club, about considering involvement with a 
>>> person
>>> who thinks they can train a guide dog for the blind on their own.
>>> Involvement under such circumstances could come back to haunt an 
>>> otherwise
>>> well-meaning club.  It would make much more sense for this person to be
>>> screened as to qualifications; and, if qualified, be sponsored to a
>>> recognized service do training program.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your kind consideration.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> God bless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With Lionism at Heart, C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PDG Rosemary
>>
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