[nagdu] rejected by the lions club?

Thu May 6 14:06:03 UTC 2010

Thank you. This is very interesting.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Julie J
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:02 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?

I suppose individual owner trainers will have different experiences in
the 
realm of self discovery, but here you go.

There is no one to defer to or come to help you.  It is all you all the 
time.  I learned to be more self reliant than I thought I could.

When you trust your dog, you are really trusting yourself. Learning to
have 
110% confidence in your ability to be a capable trainer is tough, but 
extremely rewarding.  I remember chanting, "trust your dog, trust your
dog." 
while I allowed Monty to truly guide for the first time.  It's like you
know 
in your head that the dog knows what to do, but you haven't absorbed it
in 
your soul yet.  that is a tough place to be and it stretches you a lot.

There will be days that you will lose all hope.  You'll think you are
making 
amazing progress and then you'll look at what's left to do.  Or your dog

will be doing great work and then do something stupid that will shake
your 
confidence.  Learning to pick yourself up, dust off and keep on keeping
on 
takes courage I never knew I had.

Dealing with all the negativity is also pretty wearing.  It gets old 
defending your right to choose to owner train.  I have learned patience.

Some at least, still have a ways to go yet.

On the flip side of the negativity is the "superblind" stereotype, *cape
not 
included* that I also get.  I am asked to train other people's dogs 
frequently.  When I tell people that dog training isn't magical, its
just 
hard work and consistency...well, the responses usually indicate the
person 
thinks I'm lying.

Probably the most difficult thing for me that I am still working on, is
my 
serious issue with perfectionism.  I put an incredible amount of
pressure on 
myself to have a perfect dog, be a perfect handler, never make a
mistake, 
never look stupid and on and on.  Learning to ease up on myself has been

very hard.  I don't know if I could have learned about my tendency for 
perfection in the same way through other means.

----- JMHO
Julie

From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?

> How? How will owner training stretch a person in ways they never
dreamed
> of?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Julie J
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:09 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?
>
> Jessica,
>
> I want you to understand that I only want the best for you and that I
> will
> help you out in any way that I can.
>
> You have to be your best advocate.  That is just as important as the
> training of your puppy.  When you choose to owner train its all you
all
> the
> time.  The people on this list, including me, can't be there to walk
you
>
> through the challenges that will come.  We will offer support,
> encouragement, training ideas, even help with access challenge issues,
> but
> in the end it is you that must do the hard work.
>
> If you feel that the Boy Scouts or high school volunteers would be
> helpful
> make some phone calls and make those connections.  I don't want to
come
> across as harsh or uncaring and I think I'm doing just that, but I
> cannot
> stress enough that owner training is much, much more than just
training
> a
> dog.  It will stretch you in ways you never dreamt of.
>
> All my best,
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?
>
>
>>I have no idea nor how to find out.
>>
>> On 5/2/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Just an idea, but are there any groups locally--scouts, Honor
> Society,
>>> etc--that have teenagers that may be able to help you in some way?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] rejected by the lions club?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Go for it. For me so far the costs have been shipping for the dog,
>>>> equipment, food, soon I will be paying vet care, training, etc. I
> was
>>>> just asking for a little help whether it be money or time, even if
>>>> they'd just help us go for walks, take us places for soialization
> etc.
>>>> Jessica
>>>>
>>>> On 5/2/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>>>> Well, first we have someone who understands some of what goes into
> some
>>>>> people's choices  in their options for mobility. We also have
> another
>>>>> misinformed individual who knows nothing of the handlers who
prefer
> to
>>>>> owner
>>>>> train their dogs. We also have a person who has a strong
> affiliation
>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> school that the Lion's Club committed raises funds for. So,
perhaps
>
>>>>> there
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> an opportunity to educate miss rosemary on the fact that some
> people
>>>>> are
>>>>> very adept at training their dogs and that as a president of a
> chapter
>>>>> she
>>>>> needs to be better informed before she offers advice or as I have
>>>>> interpreted the tone, condemnation for those who choose to owner
> train.
>>>>> I
>>>>> would be happy to suggest forwarding this email to our lion's list
>>>>> serve
>>>>> and
>>>>> ask them their opinion, and I would even offer to write her, for I
>>>>> myself
>>>>>
>>>>> am
>>>>> a lion and would welcome the opportunity of opening her eyes to
the
>>>>> truths
>>>>> about guides and options with everything that is Lionism. She is
> just
>>>>> unaware and ignorant of what is possible in this regard, and may
>>>>> obviously
>>>>> be getting her skewed  opinion  from the organization  which she
> and
>>>>> her
>>>>> club give so much money to and get so much publicity from for
doing
> so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>> New York, New York  10004
>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the
one
> who
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jessica Pitzer
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:53 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] rejected by teh lions club?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> following is an email I received in response to an email I sent to
> my
>>>>> local lions club about asking for help with some of the costs of
> owner
>>>>> training. I'm.. not quite sure how to feel right now except
baffled
> as
>>>>> we have some many owner trainers and I just embarked on this
> journey
>>>>> myself.
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> On 5/2/10, Rosemary Richert <rosemary at richertnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is highly unusual, and questionably irresponsible, for someone
> to
>>>>>> train
>>>>>> their own guide dog.  The state only recognizes service animals
> which
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been professionally trained.  Any other such dogs may be banned
> from
>>>>> places
>>>>>> which would otherwise allow access to service animals.  Necessary
>>>>>> training
>>>>>> of the dog is very comprehensive and time consuming.  And,
>>>>>> subsequently,
>>>>>> training of the blind person with the dog is, also, very
> comprehensive
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> time consuming.  For the person's training, alone, three weeks of
>>>>>> on-site
>>>>>> training with the animal determined best suited to their needs is
>>>>> required.
>>>>>> The blind person needs to prove their orientation and mobility
> skills
>>>>> before
>>>>>> even being accepted into a training program.  Without proof of
the
>>>>> adequacy
>>>>>> of those skills, they will not be accepted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I served on the Board of Directors of Leader Dogs for the Blind
> for
>>>>>> four
>>>>>> years, and am the person who convinced the facility to become
> trainers
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the blind/deaf community...to the best of my knowledge, it
remains
> the
>>>>> only
>>>>>> facility with qualified instructors of deaf/blind individuals.  I
> tell
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> this, so that you may understand that I have a credible
background
> in
>>>>> these
>>>>>> matters, and know whereof I speak.  I would strongly caution your
>>>>>> Lions
>>>>>> club, or any other Lions club, about considering involvement with
> a
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> who thinks they can train a guide dog for the blind on their own.
>>>>>> Involvement under such circumstances could come back to haunt an
>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>> well-meaning club.  It would make much more sense for this person
> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> screened as to qualifications; and, if qualified, be sponsored to
> a
>>>>>> recognized service do training program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your kind consideration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> God bless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Lionism at Heart, C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PDG Rosemary
>>>>>
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