[Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 68, Issue 7

Karen Eichhorn karene_49706 at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 27 12:52:36 UTC 2015


Document this is my first time posting.forgive any errors I make.I am just learning to use an iPad and dictating this message.

Judy Jones you can come to my house anytime. Only thing is I'm in Michigan.just talk to Tatian to figure double tap when finishi'm a blind Senior I have retinitis pigmentosa.not totally blind yet but working on it.I felt that this is a total do it yourself course I'm learning to be blind.when I turn 60 I joined a low vision support group at the local senior center.but like Judy said most people just wanted to talk about their vision loss but no instructions on how to cope with iabout 10 years ago when I contacted the commission for the blind they came out and gave me some magnifying glasses and some other visual tools walk me around the block with the cane



Judy Jones I'd love one if you're cooking classes.

If you ever get to Michigan look me up. Ha ha
Karen in frigid Michigan.

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>   1. Re: Great Call (Judy Mayo)
>   2. Listening to the Recordings of Our Senior Division's    Great
>      Telephone Conferences by Your Home Phone (Robert Newman)
>   3. Re: Great Call (Mike Freeman)
>   4. Re: Listening to the Recordings of Our Senior    Division'sGreat
>      Telephone Conferences by Your Home Phone (Judy Jones)
>   5. Re: Great Call (Judy Jones)
>   6. Volunteers' stories. (Judy Jones)
>   7. Re: Great Call (S L Johnson)
>   8. Re: Great Call (Judy Jones)
>   9. Re: Great Call (Lin H.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:05:28 -0500
> From: Judy Mayo <jhunterm53 at gmail.com>
> To: Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net>,    NFB Senior Division list
>    <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> Message-ID:
>    <CADK+HPPrXFnVnzgG0dEwrFEt9j+Zaf36ZTjbU1-43Xrd5pbXHw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hi Judy Jones,
> My name is Judy also from Pennsylvania. I want to wish you good luck
> on getting seniors to want to learn anything about being visually
> impaired or blind or learning how to use things made for the vlind and
> visually impaired. I used to go to the Center for Vision Loss in
> Allentown, PA. I am a senior and for 2 years tried so hard to get
> other seniors to want to learn about Braille, using the white cane,
> using a computer and even how to use a can opener. I even told one
> senior lady that I would get to her apartment to teach her how to use
> a can opener. She does not talk to me anymore. Most of the seniors in
> the group I was in want to do is complain about how they do not know
> how to do something, but do not want to learn how to do it. MOst of
> the middle age people who used to go stopped going because of the
> complaining seniors. It is a shame. I stopped going also.  Another
> lady who is totally blind wants to learn how to cook and I offered to
> go to her home to teach her basic things. Because the Center staff has
> her convinced that because I am not qualified to teach her, she will
> not call me to set up at time for me to go to her home. I tried so
> hard to talk to the people at this center to get them to want to
> learn, but kept getting the "rug pulled out from under me" so to
> speak. I gave up. I haven't given up on myself though. I am 62 years
> old and still learning.
> I could go on and on, but there is no need to. Good luck goes to you though.
> Judy H Mayo
> 
> 
>> On 2/25/15, Judy Jones via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello again.
>> 
>> My husband, Chris, is president of our local chapter, and I am secretary.,
>> mainly made up of seniors.  The gentleman that started the affiliate was
>> president for a couple years before we joined, and ran it like a senior
>> support group, with really no training of any kind in NFB philosophy or any
>> 
>> attempt at educating in philosophy and encouragement of trying new things.
>> 
>> The people who joined have been friends of his for a long time, are also
>> losing their sight.  All have macular degeneration.
>> 
>> Once we joined we  are attempting to gently introduce concepts, and are
>> trying to help build a foundation.  I believe this may take patient and
>> consistent repetition.
>> 
>> They do not relate to us, as both my husband and I have Retinopathy Of
>> Prematurity.  They believe we don't miss or can never understand what we
>> have never had.  Sight.
>> 
>> We presented all the information on this month's call at our February 9
>> meeting.  Both my husband and I had occasion to check with various ones,
>> reminding them of the call.  No reaction.  When I asked one lady's
>> assistance about helping spread the word about the call, she couldn't
>> understand why seniors would even be interested in anything like cane travel
>> 
>> or braille.  Why should seniors be on a call like this?  I explained again
>> that the call is sponsored by the national senior division, and that the
>> calls are tailored for seniors and their needs.  We will continue to give
>> reminders of the upcoming calls.
>> 
>> My big question is how to excite our seniors to join the call, and more than
>> 
>> that, help them to realize there is learning and tools to be had.  I have
>> made sure they are all receiving the Braille Monitor in the format they
>> requested.  None are reading, nor is there any interest.  Any audio they do
>> 
>> not like as it is not visual, but anything visual we can try to bring in
>> they do not like as they cannot see it.
>> 
>> They really are a nice group of people, and will participate in our annual
>> state Senior Division picnic.  However, there is no interest in state or
>> national convention, no interest in what is going on in the state or
>> nationally
>> 
>> There are many who are sure they can't learn anything else, some who are
>> very nice about it but flat don't want to know anything else, although they
>> 
>> are great people to relate to in other areas..  They are not excited about
>> any possibilities available to them.  They are interested in how much they
>> can still see, the latest medical breakthrough or home remedy.
>> 
>> We did have a great Christmas party everyone thoroughly enjoyed, but there
>> is no interest in anything blindness-related or the the possibility of
>> different thought processes.
>> 
>> One idea Chris and I have had we want to implement is conducting phone
>> interviews during the meeting of persons who have lost their sight later in
>> 
>> life and overcome barriers to live an active life.  We are looking for
>> volunteers to do this, in hopes that someone's story will help someone in
>> our group turn that mental corner from just coping, to embracing what is
>> available for them.
>> 
>> I apologize for rambling on and hope II have not come across as a whiner.
>> (smiles), but joined this list for support, ideas, and in hopes of helping
>> someone else.   We truly do want to reach these precious people.
>> 
>> BTW, my husband, Chris, also just joined the list, so you may also see his
>> posts.  Thanks in advance to all who will be reading this post.
>> 
>> Judy
> 
> 
> --
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:52:07 -0600
> From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: <christine at in-sightful.com>,    "'NFB Senior Division list'"
>    <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Listening to the Recordings of Our Senior
>    Division's    Great Telephone Conferences by Your Home Phone
> Message-ID: <011301d0520e$77b7ac10$67270430$@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi you all
> 
> It is possible to use your telephone to dial into where recorded copies of
> our phone conferences are stored upon the Internet. Below, find a brief set
> of instructions, followed by the information you need to listen to all our
> conference recordings.
> 
> Dial: (712) 432-1202. You will reach, "Free Conference Call Dot Com." At the
> prompt, punch in the following access code- 7859633. You will next be asked
> for the reference number for the recording you wish to listen to. Below are
> the reference numbers for each of our recorded calls:
> 
> .Cane Travel, February 24th 2015- Hosted by Jeff Altman, and Maurice Peret:
> When asked for the reference code, press 7, followed by the Pound Key.
> 
> .Cooking by Touch, June 4th 2014- Hosted by Jennifer. Wenzel: When asked for
> the reference code, press 4, followed by the Pound Key.
> 
> .Blindness, A Family Dynamic, May 8th 2014- Hosted by Fatos Floyd: When
> asked for the reference code, press 3, followed by the Pound Key.
> 
> .Financial Management After Blindness, May 1st 2014- Hosted by Bob Burns:
> When asked for the reference code, press 2, followed by the Pound Key.
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> Robert Leslie Newman
> President, NFB of Nebraska Senior Division 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:52:59 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Judy Mayo'" <jhunterm53 at gmail.com>,    "'NFB Senior Division list'"
>    <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> Message-ID: <001c01d05216$f8536f00$e8fa4d00$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Judy:
> 
> I am a senior citizen (sixty-six years young) though seldom take any senior
> discounts, believing that society has absolutely no reason to compensate me
> for "moldering away" -- tongue in cheek, of course.
> 
> But I concur (sadly) in your observations. I have had more than one senior
> citizen tell me outright that they don't want to learn alternative
> techniques or learn to use adaptive devices. All they want is the one thing
> they can't have and that we cannot give them -- their sight back. This seems
> to me extremely short-sighted (no pun intended). It shows how deeply
> ingrained in all of us are societies negative and limiting attitudes about
> blindness and, to some extent, how easy it is to have one's own pity party
> rather than taking the bull by the horns and saying: OK; now what?
> 
> I'm in the same boat as Judy Jones, having had little sight almost all my
> sentient life. This discounts me I suppose in the eyes of most seniors. What
> I don't get is how often this then is interpreted as being that I have
> nothing to help them cope. One would think that we who have been blind a
> long time would have *more* to teach, or, at any rate, quite a bit to teach.
> But I suppose the main rub is that we are not taking part in the pity party.
> 
> All we can do is keep at it, help those whom we can and find more seniors
> who "get" it and who can confront the pity-partiers and say: NONSENSE!
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
> Mayo via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: Judy Jones; NFB Senior Division list
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Hi Judy Jones,
> My name is Judy also from Pennsylvania. I want to wish you good luck on
> getting seniors to want to learn anything about being visually impaired or
> blind or learning how to use things made for the vlind and visually
> impaired. I used to go to the Center for Vision Loss in Allentown, PA. I am
> a senior and for 2 years tried so hard to get other seniors to want to learn
> about Braille, using the white cane, using a computer and even how to use a
> can opener. I even told one senior lady that I would get to her apartment to
> teach her how to use a can opener. She does not talk to me anymore. Most of
> the seniors in the group I was in want to do is complain about how they do
> not know how to do something, but do not want to learn how to do it. MOst of
> the middle age people who used to go stopped going because of the
> complaining seniors. It is a shame. I stopped going also.  Another lady who
> is totally blind wants to learn how to cook and I offered to go to her home
> to teach her basic things. Because the Center staff has her convinced that
> because I am not qualified to teach her, she will not call me to set up at
> time for me to go to her home. I tried so hard to talk to the people at this
> center to get them to want to learn, but kept getting the "rug pulled out
> from under me" so to speak. I gave up. I haven't given up on myself though.
> I am 62 years old and still learning.
> I could go on and on, but there is no need to. Good luck goes to you though.
> Judy H Mayo
> 
> 
>> On 2/25/15, Judy Jones via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello again.
>> 
>> My husband, Chris, is president of our local chapter, and I am 
>> secretary., mainly made up of seniors.  The gentleman that started the 
>> affiliate was president for a couple years before we joined, and ran 
>> it like a senior support group, with really no training of any kind in 
>> NFB philosophy or any
>> 
>> attempt at educating in philosophy and encouragement of trying new things.
>> 
>> The people who joined have been friends of his for a long time, are 
>> also losing their sight.  All have macular degeneration.
>> 
>> Once we joined we  are attempting to gently introduce concepts, and 
>> are trying to help build a foundation.  I believe this may take 
>> patient and consistent repetition.
>> 
>> They do not relate to us, as both my husband and I have Retinopathy Of 
>> Prematurity.  They believe we don't miss or can never understand what 
>> we have never had.  Sight.
>> 
>> We presented all the information on this month's call at our February 
>> 9 meeting.  Both my husband and I had occasion to check with various 
>> ones, reminding them of the call.  No reaction.  When I asked one 
>> lady's assistance about helping spread the word about the call, she 
>> couldn't understand why seniors would even be interested in anything 
>> like cane travel
>> 
>> or braille.  Why should seniors be on a call like this?  I explained 
>> again that the call is sponsored by the national senior division, and 
>> that the calls are tailored for seniors and their needs.  We will 
>> continue to give reminders of the upcoming calls.
>> 
>> My big question is how to excite our seniors to join the call, and 
>> more than
>> 
>> that, help them to realize there is learning and tools to be had.  I 
>> have made sure they are all receiving the Braille Monitor in the 
>> format they requested.  None are reading, nor is there any interest.  
>> Any audio they do
>> 
>> not like as it is not visual, but anything visual we can try to bring 
>> in they do not like as they cannot see it.
>> 
>> They really are a nice group of people, and will participate in our 
>> annual state Senior Division picnic.  However, there is no interest in 
>> state or national convention, no interest in what is going on in the 
>> state or nationally
>> 
>> There are many who are sure they can't learn anything else, some who 
>> are very nice about it but flat don't want to know anything else, 
>> although they
>> 
>> are great people to relate to in other areas..  They are not excited 
>> about any possibilities available to them.  They are interested in how 
>> much they can still see, the latest medical breakthrough or home remedy.
>> 
>> We did have a great Christmas party everyone thoroughly enjoyed, but 
>> there is no interest in anything blindness-related or the the 
>> possibility of different thought processes.
>> 
>> One idea Chris and I have had we want to implement is conducting phone 
>> interviews during the meeting of persons who have lost their sight 
>> later in
>> 
>> life and overcome barriers to live an active life.  We are looking for 
>> volunteers to do this, in hopes that someone's story will help someone 
>> in our group turn that mental corner from just coping, to embracing 
>> what is available for them.
>> 
>> I apologize for rambling on and hope II have not come across as a whiner.
>> (smiles), but joined this list for support, ideas, and in hopes of helping
>> someone else.   We truly do want to reach these precious people.
>> 
>> BTW, my husband, Chris, also just joined the list, so you may also see 
>> his posts.  Thanks in advance to all who will be reading this post.
>> 
>> Judy
> 
> 
> --
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:17:02 -0700
> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>,    "NFB Senior Division list"
>    <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Listening to the Recordings of Our Senior
>    Division'sGreat Telephone Conferences by Your Home Phone
> Message-ID: <981291366C0A4FA49E677DA42FB569BF at Owner>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Thank you very much for this valuable information.
> 
> Judy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Robert Newman via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:52 PM
> To: christine at in-sightful.com ; 'NFB Senior Division list'
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Listening to the Recordings of Our Senior 
> Division'sGreat Telephone Conferences by Your Home Phone
> 
> Hi you all
> 
> It is possible to use your telephone to dial into where recorded copies of
> our phone conferences are stored upon the Internet. Below, find a brief set
> of instructions, followed by the information you need to listen to all our
> conference recordings.
> 
> Dial: (712) 432-1202. You will reach, "Free Conference Call Dot Com." At the
> prompt, punch in the following access code- 7859633. You will next be asked
> for the reference number for the recording you wish to listen to. Below are
> the reference numbers for each of our recorded calls:
> 
> .Cane Travel, February 24th 2015- Hosted by Jeff Altman, and Maurice Peret:
> When asked for the reference code, press 7, followed by the Pound Key.
> 
> .Cooking by Touch, June 4th 2014- Hosted by Jennifer. Wenzel: When asked for
> the reference code, press 4, followed by the Pound Key.
> 
> .Blindness, A Family Dynamic, May 8th 2014- Hosted by Fatos Floyd: When
> asked for the reference code, press 3, followed by the Pound Key.
> 
> .Financial Management After Blindness, May 1st 2014- Hosted by Bob Burns:
> When asked for the reference code, press 2, followed by the Pound Key.
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> Robert Leslie Newman
> President, NFB of Nebraska Senior Division
> 
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:21:40 -0700
> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>,    "NFB Senior Division list"
>    <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> Message-ID: <99C5028B3C8144C598A238248193413C at Owner>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Yep, that's what Chris and I are coming away with, too.
> 
> We have a great senior division in the state, which is a good thing, and 
> will continue to work with them.
> 
> Judy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Mike Freeman via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:52 PM
> To: 'Judy Mayo' ; 'NFB Senior Division list'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Judy:
> 
> I am a senior citizen (sixty-six years young) though seldom take any senior
> discounts, believing that society has absolutely no reason to compensate me
> for "moldering away" -- tongue in cheek, of course.
> 
> But I concur (sadly) in your observations. I have had more than one senior
> citizen tell me outright that they don't want to learn alternative
> techniques or learn to use adaptive devices. All they want is the one thing
> they can't have and that we cannot give them -- their sight back. This seems
> to me extremely short-sighted (no pun intended). It shows how deeply
> ingrained in all of us are societies negative and limiting attitudes about
> blindness and, to some extent, how easy it is to have one's own pity party
> rather than taking the bull by the horns and saying: OK; now what?
> 
> I'm in the same boat as Judy Jones, having had little sight almost all my
> sentient life. This discounts me I suppose in the eyes of most seniors. What
> I don't get is how often this then is interpreted as being that I have
> nothing to help them cope. One would think that we who have been blind a
> long time would have *more* to teach, or, at any rate, quite a bit to teach.
> But I suppose the main rub is that we are not taking part in the pity party.
> 
> All we can do is keep at it, help those whom we can and find more seniors
> who "get" it and who can confront the pity-partiers and say: NONSENSE!
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
> Mayo via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: Judy Jones; NFB Senior Division list
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Hi Judy Jones,
> My name is Judy also from Pennsylvania. I want to wish you good luck on
> getting seniors to want to learn anything about being visually impaired or
> blind or learning how to use things made for the vlind and visually
> impaired. I used to go to the Center for Vision Loss in Allentown, PA. I am
> a senior and for 2 years tried so hard to get other seniors to want to learn
> about Braille, using the white cane, using a computer and even how to use a
> can opener. I even told one senior lady that I would get to her apartment to
> teach her how to use a can opener. She does not talk to me anymore. Most of
> the seniors in the group I was in want to do is complain about how they do
> not know how to do something, but do not want to learn how to do it. MOst of
> the middle age people who used to go stopped going because of the
> complaining seniors. It is a shame. I stopped going also.  Another lady who
> is totally blind wants to learn how to cook and I offered to go to her home
> to teach her basic things. Because the Center staff has her convinced that
> because I am not qualified to teach her, she will not call me to set up at
> time for me to go to her home. I tried so hard to talk to the people at this
> center to get them to want to learn, but kept getting the "rug pulled out
> from under me" so to speak. I gave up. I haven't given up on myself though.
> I am 62 years old and still learning.
> I could go on and on, but there is no need to. Good luck goes to you though.
> Judy H Mayo
> 
> 
>> On 2/25/15, Judy Jones via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello again.
>> 
>> My husband, Chris, is president of our local chapter, and I am
>> secretary., mainly made up of seniors.  The gentleman that started the
>> affiliate was president for a couple years before we joined, and ran
>> it like a senior support group, with really no training of any kind in
>> NFB philosophy or any
>> 
>> attempt at educating in philosophy and encouragement of trying new things.
>> 
>> The people who joined have been friends of his for a long time, are
>> also losing their sight.  All have macular degeneration.
>> 
>> Once we joined we  are attempting to gently introduce concepts, and
>> are trying to help build a foundation.  I believe this may take
>> patient and consistent repetition.
>> 
>> They do not relate to us, as both my husband and I have Retinopathy Of
>> Prematurity.  They believe we don't miss or can never understand what
>> we have never had.  Sight.
>> 
>> We presented all the information on this month's call at our February
>> 9 meeting.  Both my husband and I had occasion to check with various
>> ones, reminding them of the call.  No reaction.  When I asked one
>> lady's assistance about helping spread the word about the call, she
>> couldn't understand why seniors would even be interested in anything
>> like cane travel
>> 
>> or braille.  Why should seniors be on a call like this?  I explained
>> again that the call is sponsored by the national senior division, and
>> that the calls are tailored for seniors and their needs.  We will
>> continue to give reminders of the upcoming calls.
>> 
>> My big question is how to excite our seniors to join the call, and
>> more than
>> 
>> that, help them to realize there is learning and tools to be had.  I
>> have made sure they are all receiving the Braille Monitor in the
>> format they requested.  None are reading, nor is there any interest.
>> Any audio they do
>> 
>> not like as it is not visual, but anything visual we can try to bring
>> in they do not like as they cannot see it.
>> 
>> They really are a nice group of people, and will participate in our
>> annual state Senior Division picnic.  However, there is no interest in
>> state or national convention, no interest in what is going on in the
>> state or nationally
>> 
>> There are many who are sure they can't learn anything else, some who
>> are very nice about it but flat don't want to know anything else,
>> although they
>> 
>> are great people to relate to in other areas..  They are not excited
>> about any possibilities available to them.  They are interested in how
>> much they can still see, the latest medical breakthrough or home remedy.
>> 
>> We did have a great Christmas party everyone thoroughly enjoyed, but
>> there is no interest in anything blindness-related or the the
>> possibility of different thought processes.
>> 
>> One idea Chris and I have had we want to implement is conducting phone
>> interviews during the meeting of persons who have lost their sight
>> later in
>> 
>> life and overcome barriers to live an active life.  We are looking for
>> volunteers to do this, in hopes that someone's story will help someone
>> in our group turn that mental corner from just coping, to embracing
>> what is available for them.
>> 
>> I apologize for rambling on and hope II have not come across as a whiner.
>> (smiles), but joined this list for support, ideas, and in hopes of helping
>> someone else.   We truly do want to reach these precious people.
>> 
>> BTW, my husband, Chris, also just joined the list, so you may also see
>> his posts.  Thanks in advance to all who will be reading this post.
>> 
>> Judy
> 
> 
> --
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:38:20 -0700
> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "NFB Senior Division list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Volunteers' stories.
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> Hello, Listers,
> 
> As I mentioned before in my initial rambling post, one thing we are going to try is holding a speaker phone interview during one of our meetings with someone who has lost their sight later in life and overcome obstacles in getting back their life. we have  availability to hook up to a Boze speaker, so the person on the other end of the line will be easily heard in the banquet room where our meetings are held..
> 
> If anyone on this list has such a story, please write me off-list.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:06:58 -0500
> From: "S L Johnson" <sljohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "'Mike Freeman'" <k7uij at panix.com>,    "'NFB Senior Division list'"
>    <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
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> 
> Hello:
> 
> I am also a senior, soon to turn sixty in April.  I've been totally blind
> since 1972.  I live in a senior housing development.  When neighbors see me
> out walking with my guide dog, they say they cannot understand how I can
> live alone without somebody to take care of me.  I've tried to offer my
> assistance when I learned of seniors who have lost some vision.  I feel I
> could offer helpful suggestions and be a positive role model.  However, they
> never call me and I've heard that they think I could not possibly help them
> because I don't have any sight at all.  It just means, that our work to
> educate about blindness is never done.  We have to get people to understand
> that a blind person can be an active and productive member of society.  
> 
> Sandra
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:53 PM
> To: 'Judy Mayo'; 'NFB Senior Division list'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Judy:
> 
> I am a senior citizen (sixty-six years young) though seldom take any senior
> discounts, believing that society has absolutely no reason to compensate me
> for "moldering away" -- tongue in cheek, of course.
> 
> But I concur (sadly) in your observations. I have had more than one senior
> citizen tell me outright that they don't want to learn alternative
> techniques or learn to use adaptive devices. All they want is the one thing
> they can't have and that we cannot give them -- their sight back. This seems
> to me extremely short-sighted (no pun intended). It shows how deeply
> ingrained in all of us are societies negative and limiting attitudes about
> blindness and, to some extent, how easy it is to have one's own pity party
> rather than taking the bull by the horns and saying: OK; now what?
> 
> I'm in the same boat as Judy Jones, having had little sight almost all my
> sentient life. This discounts me I suppose in the eyes of most seniors. What
> I don't get is how often this then is interpreted as being that I have
> nothing to help them cope. One would think that we who have been blind a
> long time would have *more* to teach, or, at any rate, quite a bit to teach.
> But I suppose the main rub is that we are not taking part in the pity party.
> 
> All we can do is keep at it, help those whom we can and find more seniors
> who "get" it and who can confront the pity-partiers and say: NONSENSE!
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
> Mayo via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: Judy Jones; NFB Senior Division list
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Hi Judy Jones,
> My name is Judy also from Pennsylvania. I want to wish you good luck on
> getting seniors to want to learn anything about being visually impaired or
> blind or learning how to use things made for the vlind and visually
> impaired. I used to go to the Center for Vision Loss in Allentown, PA. I am
> a senior and for 2 years tried so hard to get other seniors to want to learn
> about Braille, using the white cane, using a computer and even how to use a
> can opener. I even told one senior lady that I would get to her apartment to
> teach her how to use a can opener. She does not talk to me anymore. Most of
> the seniors in the group I was in want to do is complain about how they do
> not know how to do something, but do not want to learn how to do it. MOst of
> the middle age people who used to go stopped going because of the
> complaining seniors. It is a shame. I stopped going also.  Another lady who
> is totally blind wants to learn how to cook and I offered to go to her home
> to teach her basic things. Because the Center staff has her convinced that
> because I am not qualified to teach her, she will not call me to set up at
> time for me to go to her home. I tried so hard to talk to the people at this
> center to get them to want to learn, but kept getting the "rug pulled out
> from under me" so to speak. I gave up. I haven't given up on myself though.
> I am 62 years old and still learning.
> I could go on and on, but there is no need to. Good luck goes to you though.
> Judy H Mayo
> 
> 
>> On 2/25/15, Judy Jones via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello again.
>> 
>> My husband, Chris, is president of our local chapter, and I am 
>> secretary., mainly made up of seniors.  The gentleman that started the 
>> affiliate was president for a couple years before we joined, and ran 
>> it like a senior support group, with really no training of any kind in 
>> NFB philosophy or any
>> 
>> attempt at educating in philosophy and encouragement of trying new things.
>> 
>> The people who joined have been friends of his for a long time, are 
>> also losing their sight.  All have macular degeneration.
>> 
>> Once we joined we  are attempting to gently introduce concepts, and 
>> are trying to help build a foundation.  I believe this may take 
>> patient and consistent repetition.
>> 
>> They do not relate to us, as both my husband and I have Retinopathy Of 
>> Prematurity.  They believe we don't miss or can never understand what 
>> we have never had.  Sight.
>> 
>> We presented all the information on this month's call at our February
>> 9 meeting.  Both my husband and I had occasion to check with various 
>> ones, reminding them of the call.  No reaction.  When I asked one 
>> lady's assistance about helping spread the word about the call, she 
>> couldn't understand why seniors would even be interested in anything 
>> like cane travel
>> 
>> or braille.  Why should seniors be on a call like this?  I explained 
>> again that the call is sponsored by the national senior division, and 
>> that the calls are tailored for seniors and their needs.  We will 
>> continue to give reminders of the upcoming calls.
>> 
>> My big question is how to excite our seniors to join the call, and 
>> more than
>> 
>> that, help them to realize there is learning and tools to be had.  I 
>> have made sure they are all receiving the Braille Monitor in the 
>> format they requested.  None are reading, nor is there any interest.
>> Any audio they do
>> 
>> not like as it is not visual, but anything visual we can try to bring 
>> in they do not like as they cannot see it.
>> 
>> They really are a nice group of people, and will participate in our 
>> annual state Senior Division picnic.  However, there is no interest in 
>> state or national convention, no interest in what is going on in the 
>> state or nationally
>> 
>> There are many who are sure they can't learn anything else, some who 
>> are very nice about it but flat don't want to know anything else, 
>> although they
>> 
>> are great people to relate to in other areas..  They are not excited 
>> about any possibilities available to them.  They are interested in how 
>> much they can still see, the latest medical breakthrough or home remedy.
>> 
>> We did have a great Christmas party everyone thoroughly enjoyed, but 
>> there is no interest in anything blindness-related or the 
>> possibility of different thought processes.
>> 
>> One idea Chris and I have had we want to implement is conducting phone 
>> interviews during the meeting of persons who have lost their sight 
>> later in
>> 
>> life and overcome barriers to live an active life.  We are looking for 
>> volunteers to do this, in hopes that someone's story will help someone 
>> in our group turn that mental corner from just coping, to embracing 
>> what is available for them.
>> 
>> I apologize for rambling on and hope II have not come across as a whiner.
>> (smiles), but joined this list for support, ideas, and in hopes of helping
>> someone else.   We truly do want to reach these precious people.
>> 
>> BTW, my husband, Chris, also just joined the list, so you may also see 
>> his posts.  Thanks in advance to all who will be reading this post.
>> 
>> Judy
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:40:22 -0700
> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "S L Johnson" <sljohnson25 at comcast.net>,    "NFB Senior Division
>    list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
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> 
> Hi, Sandra,
> 
> It sounds like you could do so much for those around you.  The hard truth is 
> that, unfortunately, there are those that just don't want to deal, feel that 
> they don't have to, and get that idea fed by their so-called support system.
> 
> There are those rare individuals who will challenge their family members, 
> but I don't know that there are that many.
> Judy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: S L Johnson via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:06 PM
> To: 'Mike Freeman' ; 'NFB Senior Division list'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I am also a senior, soon to turn sixty in April.  I've been totally blind
> since 1972.  I live in a senior housing development.  When neighbors see me
> out walking with my guide dog, they say they cannot understand how I can
> live alone without somebody to take care of me.  I've tried to offer my
> assistance when I learned of seniors who have lost some vision.  I feel I
> could offer helpful suggestions and be a positive role model.  However, they
> never call me and I've heard that they think I could not possibly help them
> because I don't have any sight at all.  It just means, that our work to
> educate about blindness is never done.  We have to get people to understand
> that a blind person can be an active and productive member of society.
> 
> Sandra
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:53 PM
> To: 'Judy Mayo'; 'NFB Senior Division list'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Judy:
> 
> I am a senior citizen (sixty-six years young) though seldom take any senior
> discounts, believing that society has absolutely no reason to compensate me
> for "moldering away" -- tongue in cheek, of course.
> 
> But I concur (sadly) in your observations. I have had more than one senior
> citizen tell me outright that they don't want to learn alternative
> techniques or learn to use adaptive devices. All they want is the one thing
> they can't have and that we cannot give them -- their sight back. This seems
> to me extremely short-sighted (no pun intended). It shows how deeply
> ingrained in all of us are societies negative and limiting attitudes about
> blindness and, to some extent, how easy it is to have one's own pity party
> rather than taking the bull by the horns and saying: OK; now what?
> 
> I'm in the same boat as Judy Jones, having had little sight almost all my
> sentient life. This discounts me I suppose in the eyes of most seniors. What
> I don't get is how often this then is interpreted as being that I have
> nothing to help them cope. One would think that we who have been blind a
> long time would have *more* to teach, or, at any rate, quite a bit to teach.
> But I suppose the main rub is that we are not taking part in the pity party.
> 
> All we can do is keep at it, help those whom we can and find more seniors
> who "get" it and who can confront the pity-partiers and say: NONSENSE!
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
> Mayo via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: Judy Jones; NFB Senior Division list
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Hi Judy Jones,
> My name is Judy also from Pennsylvania. I want to wish you good luck on
> getting seniors to want to learn anything about being visually impaired or
> blind or learning how to use things made for the vlind and visually
> impaired. I used to go to the Center for Vision Loss in Allentown, PA. I am
> a senior and for 2 years tried so hard to get other seniors to want to learn
> about Braille, using the white cane, using a computer and even how to use a
> can opener. I even told one senior lady that I would get to her apartment to
> teach her how to use a can opener. She does not talk to me anymore. Most of
> the seniors in the group I was in want to do is complain about how they do
> not know how to do something, but do not want to learn how to do it. MOst of
> the middle age people who used to go stopped going because of the
> complaining seniors. It is a shame. I stopped going also.  Another lady who
> is totally blind wants to learn how to cook and I offered to go to her home
> to teach her basic things. Because the Center staff has her convinced that
> because I am not qualified to teach her, she will not call me to set up at
> time for me to go to her home. I tried so hard to talk to the people at this
> center to get them to want to learn, but kept getting the "rug pulled out
> from under me" so to speak. I gave up. I haven't given up on myself though.
> I am 62 years old and still learning.
> I could go on and on, but there is no need to. Good luck goes to you though.
> Judy H Mayo
> 
> 
>> On 2/25/15, Judy Jones via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello again.
>> 
>> My husband, Chris, is president of our local chapter, and I am
>> secretary., mainly made up of seniors.  The gentleman that started the
>> affiliate was president for a couple years before we joined, and ran
>> it like a senior support group, with really no training of any kind in
>> NFB philosophy or any
>> 
>> attempt at educating in philosophy and encouragement of trying new things.
>> 
>> The people who joined have been friends of his for a long time, are
>> also losing their sight.  All have macular degeneration.
>> 
>> Once we joined we  are attempting to gently introduce concepts, and
>> are trying to help build a foundation.  I believe this may take
>> patient and consistent repetition.
>> 
>> They do not relate to us, as both my husband and I have Retinopathy Of
>> Prematurity.  They believe we don't miss or can never understand what
>> we have never had.  Sight.
>> 
>> We presented all the information on this month's call at our February
>> 9 meeting.  Both my husband and I had occasion to check with various
>> ones, reminding them of the call.  No reaction.  When I asked one
>> lady's assistance about helping spread the word about the call, she
>> couldn't understand why seniors would even be interested in anything
>> like cane travel
>> 
>> or braille.  Why should seniors be on a call like this?  I explained
>> again that the call is sponsored by the national senior division, and
>> that the calls are tailored for seniors and their needs.  We will
>> continue to give reminders of the upcoming calls.
>> 
>> My big question is how to excite our seniors to join the call, and
>> more than
>> 
>> that, help them to realize there is learning and tools to be had.  I
>> have made sure they are all receiving the Braille Monitor in the
>> format they requested.  None are reading, nor is there any interest.
>> Any audio they do
>> 
>> not like as it is not visual, but anything visual we can try to bring
>> in they do not like as they cannot see it.
>> 
>> They really are a nice group of people, and will participate in our
>> annual state Senior Division picnic.  However, there is no interest in
>> state or national convention, no interest in what is going on in the
>> state or nationally
>> 
>> There are many who are sure they can't learn anything else, some who
>> are very nice about it but flat don't want to know anything else,
>> although they
>> 
>> are great people to relate to in other areas..  They are not excited
>> about any possibilities available to them.  They are interested in how
>> much they can still see, the latest medical breakthrough or home remedy.
>> 
>> We did have a great Christmas party everyone thoroughly enjoyed, but
>> there is no interest in anything blindness-related or the
>> possibility of different thought processes.
>> 
>> One idea Chris and I have had we want to implement is conducting phone
>> interviews during the meeting of persons who have lost their sight
>> later in
>> 
>> life and overcome barriers to live an active life.  We are looking for
>> volunteers to do this, in hopes that someone's story will help someone
>> in our group turn that mental corner from just coping, to embracing
>> what is available for them.
>> 
>> I apologize for rambling on and hope II have not come across as a whiner.
>> (smiles), but joined this list for support, ideas, and in hopes of helping
>> someone else.   We truly do want to reach these precious people.
>> 
>> BTW, my husband, Chris, also just joined the list, so you may also see
>> his posts.  Thanks in advance to all who will be reading this post.
>> 
>> Judy
> 
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:30:35 -0600
> From: "Lin H." <iwannacu2 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "S L Johnson" <sljohnson25 at comcast.net>,    "NFB Senior Division
>    list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
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> 
> Hi Sandra!  I'm not far from 60 myself, and I lost my sight 11 years ago! 
> I've learned Braille, got some mobility training, so I can walk around my 
> neighborhood and met many influencial inspirational people from the NFB in 
> Illinois!      I have a friend that has been Blind all her life and can do 
> many things as a blind person!  She even has a sighted son, and is doing a 
> great job with him!  But, she even says many times that sighted people just 
> don't get it!  They don't understand, like you said, that we, as blind 
> people can be productive and do things on our own!  I hope others will give 
> you a chance to help them!    Sincerely, Linda
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: S L Johnson via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:06 PM
> To: 'Mike Freeman' ; 'NFB Senior Division list'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I am also a senior, soon to turn sixty in April.  I've been totally blind
> since 1972.  I live in a senior housing development.  When neighbors see me
> out walking with my guide dog, they say they cannot understand how I can
> live alone without somebody to take care of me.  I've tried to offer my
> assistance when I learned of seniors who have lost some vision.  I feel I
> could offer helpful suggestions and be a positive role model.  However, they
> never call me and I've heard that they think I could not possibly help them
> because I don't have any sight at all.  It just means, that our work to
> educate about blindness is never done.  We have to get people to understand
> that a blind person can be an active and productive member of society.
> 
> Sandra
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:53 PM
> To: 'Judy Mayo'; 'NFB Senior Division list'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Judy:
> 
> I am a senior citizen (sixty-six years young) though seldom take any senior
> discounts, believing that society has absolutely no reason to compensate me
> for "moldering away" -- tongue in cheek, of course.
> 
> But I concur (sadly) in your observations. I have had more than one senior
> citizen tell me outright that they don't want to learn alternative
> techniques or learn to use adaptive devices. All they want is the one thing
> they can't have and that we cannot give them -- their sight back. This seems
> to me extremely short-sighted (no pun intended). It shows how deeply
> ingrained in all of us are societies negative and limiting attitudes about
> blindness and, to some extent, how easy it is to have one's own pity party
> rather than taking the bull by the horns and saying: OK; now what?
> 
> I'm in the same boat as Judy Jones, having had little sight almost all my
> sentient life. This discounts me I suppose in the eyes of most seniors. What
> I don't get is how often this then is interpreted as being that I have
> nothing to help them cope. One would think that we who have been blind a
> long time would have *more* to teach, or, at any rate, quite a bit to teach.
> But I suppose the main rub is that we are not taking part in the pity party.
> 
> All we can do is keep at it, help those whom we can and find more seniors
> who "get" it and who can confront the pity-partiers and say: NONSENSE!
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
> Mayo via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: Judy Jones; NFB Senior Division list
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Great Call
> 
> Hi Judy Jones,
> My name is Judy also from Pennsylvania. I want to wish you good luck on
> getting seniors to want to learn anything about being visually impaired or
> blind or learning how to use things made for the vlind and visually
> impaired. I used to go to the Center for Vision Loss in Allentown, PA. I am
> a senior and for 2 years tried so hard to get other seniors to want to learn
> about Braille, using the white cane, using a computer and even how to use a
> can opener. I even told one senior lady that I would get to her apartment to
> teach her how to use a can opener. She does not talk to me anymore. Most of
> the seniors in the group I was in want to do is complain about how they do
> not know how to do something, but do not want to learn how to do it. MOst of
> the middle age people who used to go stopped going because of the
> complaining seniors. It is a shame. I stopped going also.  Another lady who
> is totally blind wants to learn how to cook and I offered to go to her home
> to teach her basic things. Because the Center staff has her convinced that
> because I am not qualified to teach her, she will not call me to set up at
> time for me to go to her home. I tried so hard to talk to the people at this
> center to get them to want to learn, but kept getting the "rug pulled out
> from under me" so to speak. I gave up. I haven't given up on myself though.
> I am 62 years old and still learning.
> I could go on and on, but there is no need to. Good luck goes to you though.
> Judy H Mayo
> 
> 
>> On 2/25/15, Judy Jones via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello again.
>> 
>> My husband, Chris, is president of our local chapter, and I am
>> secretary., mainly made up of seniors.  The gentleman that started the
>> affiliate was president for a couple years before we joined, and ran
>> it like a senior support group, with really no training of any kind in
>> NFB philosophy or any
>> 
>> attempt at educating in philosophy and encouragement of trying new things.
>> 
>> The people who joined have been friends of his for a long time, are
>> also losing their sight.  All have macular degeneration.
>> 
>> Once we joined we  are attempting to gently introduce concepts, and
>> are trying to help build a foundation.  I believe this may take
>> patient and consistent repetition.
>> 
>> They do not relate to us, as both my husband and I have Retinopathy Of
>> Prematurity.  They believe we don't miss or can never understand what
>> we have never had.  Sight.
>> 
>> We presented all the information on this month's call at our February
>> 9 meeting.  Both my husband and I had occasion to check with various
>> ones, reminding them of the call.  No reaction.  When I asked one
>> lady's assistance about helping spread the word about the call, she
>> couldn't understand why seniors would even be interested in anything
>> like cane travel
>> 
>> or braille.  Why should seniors be on a call like this?  I explained
>> again that the call is sponsored by the national senior division, and
>> that the calls are tailored for seniors and their needs.  We will
>> continue to give reminders of the upcoming calls.
>> 
>> My big question is how to excite our seniors to join the call, and
>> more than
>> 
>> that, help them to realize there is learning and tools to be had.  I
>> have made sure they are all receiving the Braille Monitor in the
>> format they requested.  None are reading, nor is there any interest.
>> Any audio they do
>> 
>> not like as it is not visual, but anything visual we can try to bring
>> in they do not like as they cannot see it.
>> 
>> They really are a nice group of people, and will participate in our
>> annual state Senior Division picnic.  However, there is no interest in
>> state or national convention, no interest in what is going on in the
>> state or nationally
>> 
>> There are many who are sure they can't learn anything else, some who
>> are very nice about it but flat don't want to know anything else,
>> although they
>> 
>> are great people to relate to in other areas..  They are not excited
>> about any possibilities available to them.  They are interested in how
>> much they can still see, the latest medical breakthrough or home remedy.
>> 
>> We did have a great Christmas party everyone thoroughly enjoyed, but
>> there is no interest in anything blindness-related or the
>> possibility of different thought processes.
>> 
>> One idea Chris and I have had we want to implement is conducting phone
>> interviews during the meeting of persons who have lost their sight
>> later in
>> 
>> life and overcome barriers to live an active life.  We are looking for
>> volunteers to do this, in hopes that someone's story will help someone
>> in our group turn that mental corner from just coping, to embracing
>> what is available for them.
>> 
>> I apologize for rambling on and hope II have not come across as a whiner.
>> (smiles), but joined this list for support, ideas, and in hopes of helping
>> someone else.   We truly do want to reach these precious people.
>> 
>> BTW, my husband, Chris, also just joined the list, so you may also see
>> his posts.  Thanks in advance to all who will be reading this post.
>> 
>> Judy
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