[Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach akindergartenerBraille?

Mon Mar 9 20:13:57 UTC 2009

Thank you Kristin, for both of your really quite excellent posts and
feedback-and I am way behind on thanking you for the encouragement you sent
me a week (or two likely now!) ago. I've been so busy eating bon bons and
polishing my jewels! 

You know I love ya. I appreciate it.

Carrie Gilmer, President

National Organization of Parents of Blind Children

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

NFB National Center: 410-659-9314

Home Phone: 763-784-8590

carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

www.nfb.org/nopbc

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From: pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kristen J Sims
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:22 AM
To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach
akindergartenerBraille?

We do have a few exercises where our little ones use crayons to mark answers
but we have them do it non-visually. Since our little kids cant fit into
sleepshades (blindfolds) we will find cute little sunshades in the $1 bin
and color or paint them to block out vision. Little ones who do have usable
vision are usually a hard sell when it comes to non-visual learning but the
sunshades help but if it is going to be a fight I don't worry about it.
(Braille should be fun not fighting!) At times after the lesson is over I
will let the student practice reading a page or two without the glasses,
because this is how they will do it in the reg classroom. Often the child
with usable vision will use his/her vision; it is not encouraged but instead
of chastising the use of vision I will point out how well they do when they
don't try to see it. Most of these students are praised for seeing all day,
it is hard not to be the big bad wolf when you focus on discouraging vision.
Rather, ask the teacher to praise non-visual techniques, "You did that so
fast and you didn't even need to look!"
Kristen J. Sims, MEd NCLB
Teacher of Blind Students

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Date: Sunday, March 8 2009 11:11 AM

Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach
akindergartenerBraille?

Hi, Then no This is not acceptable. Bran

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From: Carrie <mailto:carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>  Gilmer 

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Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach
akindergartenerBraille?

Dear Eric, Sally and Brandy,

This is not/was not an exercise to learn to mark answers. This was an
exercise to learn the alphabet in the first place. He had to find all the
B's, first by touch, then-by LOOKING and marking with a pencil. He is not
through even half way of the alphabet yet. I am asking if this early is it
typical to learn answer marking and also if it is typical to do it
visually-this had not tactile component to the circling.

I understand fully the importance of the ability to mark answers and to do
it non-visually.

Thanks,

Carrie Gilmer, President

National Organization of Parents of Blind Children

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

NFB National Center: 410-659-9314

Home Phone: 763-784-8590

carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

www.nfb.org/nopbc

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From: pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandy with Discovery
Toys
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:27 PM
To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List
Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach
akindergartenerBraille?

Hi, When I was little we would put the paper on a fome board and they had us
put thumb tacks in the letter that we were supposed to be finding. We also
sometimes circled it on one of those boards so we could feel the imprint. It
is common for kids who take tests to need the skill of circling. I did this
often growing up and then my test would be translated. Hope this helps. Bran

"We all have our time machines. Some take us back, they're called memories.
Some take us forward, they're called dreams." 
Jeremy Irons

Brandy Wojcik
Discovery Toys Group Manager and Educational Consultant

Shop online any time!
www.playtoachieve.com <http://www.playtoachieve.com/> 
(512) 231-8697

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* Best buy bundles allow you to shop at a discount year round
* How you can earn toys for free
* Gift baskets for all ages
* Gift certificates
* Office setups and much more 

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From: Andy  <mailto:andysally at comcast.net> & Sally Thomas 

To: Professionals <mailto:pibe-division at nfbnet.org>  in Blindness Education
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Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach
akindergartenerBraille?

My son has used sticky dots to mark things. When he used a crayon or marker,
he wanted to mark things so well he obscured what he was marking and there
was no way to move the mark to make a correction. I guess this isn't a
problem as much in kindergarten as it is later when kids are more worried
about the correct answer.

Sally Thomas

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Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:46 AM

Subject: Re: [Pibe-division] Is this the way to teach a
kindergartenerBraille?

A few more thoughts. 

My 1st grade son Petras (no functional vision) uses a crayon to circle or
mark numbers on his math homework & classwork - I think that is perfectly
fine & natural.

My older son (also no functional vision) transitioned to a pen (which he
could feel) once it was no longer age appropriate to be using a crayon.

My wife modifies his Lithuanian Saturday school worksheets & we have Petras
similarly find letters or letter combinations with his fingers & then he
mark them off with a crayon (which he can feel) - this can all be done
tactilely without then looking at the letter; his sighted classmates also
circle print letters or letter combos with a crayon or pencil or pen ->
Petras is performing a similar task.

The marking actually seems reasonable to me & has functional utility for a
child to independently complete homework & classwork.

I am interested in hearing about alternatives.

I am less enthusiastic about connecting the lines - this seems less
functional. Seems to me the objective would help decide how appropriate that
is.

As to the point avoiding feeling for the braille, Petras could write his
letters in English & Lithuanian long before he could recognize the dot
combinations. For the longest time he was not particularly interested in
feeling the specifics of what he actually wrote. It was really just a little
after he turned 7 that he really began to try to more intently figure out
what each dot combo represented. He has made wonderful progress this year.
My eldest son know all the letters tactilely by 2 1/2. Every kid is a little
different.

Best wishes,

Eric V 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
wrote:

All lines were directed to be drawn and circled by the student. Picture of
it taken by mother is attached.

Six years old, albinism, 20/160-200 measured with correction. Please
everyone comment.

Carrie Gilmer, President

National Organization of Parents of Blind Children

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

NFB National Center: 410-659-9314

Home Phone: 763-784-8590

carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

www.nfb.org/nopbc

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I'm attaching a Braille sheet that came home today. I get these many times a
week. Is it strange that Brian is instructed to circle and draw lines? It
appears that he is being directed to approach Braille visually. 

Please tell me if this is normal or acceptable for teaching a low-vision
child Braille. Please tell me if this is so far out of the norm that I
should be very concerned. 

Thank you!

:) Carolynn

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